The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

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brightfame52

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Paul in his writing to the Ephesians witnesses to who specifically it was Christ Loved and died for, or gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

He gave Himself specifically for the Church !

ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

That doesn't equate to all mankind without exception, but certain ones called out from the world !
 
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The inescapable conclusion if Christ died for all without exception as some falsely claim is this,

His Bood/Death doesn't make the difference as to who is saved or lost, redeemed or condemned, That would be put into the hands of the sinner to make the difference.
 

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The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

It is not a MYTH. Some people really say it. I have heard them with my own ears!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. After 140 pages and 2700+ posts of "Limited" vs "Unlimited" atonement, the topic HAD to need a little humor.) ;)

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"The BLOOD OF CHRIST, sufficient for all and effective for some.*"

*some = 'whosoever believes' [John 3:15-18] ... and there is where the fun begins!
  • "Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?" [Isaiah 53:1 NKJV]
  • that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?" [John 12:38 NKJV]
  • But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "LORD, who has believed our report?" [Romans 10:16 NKJV]
 

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God is unwilling that any perish
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. [2 Peter 3:8-9 NKJV]​
  • could be "any without exception" or "any of 'us', His beloved" ... the scripture can honestly be read either way.

but you are free to reject God and go to hell
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. [Romans 6:15-19 NKJV]​
  • ... not even 'free', but "slaves of sin", so "rejection" comes naturally to fallen man.

all your choice!!
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
[Ephesians 1:3-14 NKJV]​
  • God's choice 'according to the good pleasure of His will'.
Shalom (peace).
 

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So for those of you who believe Christ died for all without exception, even for they which shall be lost, and they which shall be saved, then it is whatever you think that made the difference in being saved and lost among men, that becomes your saviour ! If you believe it is your freewill, freewill is your saviour, if you think it was your believing or faith, then that is your saviour and not Christ !66
 

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So for those of you who believe Christ died for all without exception, even for they which shall be lost, and they which shall be saved, then it is whatever you think that made the difference in being saved and lost among men, that becomes your saviour ! If you believe it is your freewill, freewill is your saviour, if you think it was your believing or faith, then that is your saviour and not Christ !66
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Christ was the Father’s sacrifice for sin. That whosoever believes receives his righteousness. So yes Christ did die for whosoever will. The problem is many reject Christ.
 

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Those who believe that Christ died equally for the saved and lost reveal that they dont believe that Christs death alone was sufficient to save anyone, but at best it merely made being saved possible, or men savable ! This idea is to be rejected because Christ came into the world to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 
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Christ was the Father’s sacrifice for sin. That whosoever believes receives his righteousness. So yes Christ did die for whosoever will. The problem is many reject Christ.
does the father require a sacrifice? ....and in this context, what does sacrifice mean?
 

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Those who believe that Christs died equally for the saved and lost reveal that they dont believe that Christs death alone was sufficient to save anyone, but at best it merely made being saved possible, or men savable ! This idea is to be rejected because Christ came into the world to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
save sinners?...does that mean all qualify or are some exempt from the classification?
 

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save sinners?...does that mean all qualify or are some exempt from the classification?

Somewhere, there is a lady who rejected Jesus Christ, and she died while she rejected Jesus Christ.

The gospel, the Jesus, that you confess failed to save her even though your Jesus died for her sins. The atonement sacrifice of your Jesus Christ was insufficient for her to enter his Joy, so she who died suffers the wrath of God because your he who died is miserably weak. (Galatians 1:6-7)

Truly, the gospel of Jesus Christ includes that He succeeds in saving every single one of the people for whom he died from the wrath of God (John 10:28). Jesus Christ is Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6), and there is none like God (Isaiah 46:9).

Moreover, Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).
 
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God is unwilling that any perish but you are free to reject God and go to hell=all your choice!!

Well, then @GISMYS_7, in effect, you asserted that God's will is soooo weak that God fails to save some people from the wrath of God for whom Jesus died.

Somewhere, there is a lady who rejected Jesus Christ, and she died while she rejected Jesus Christ.

The gospel, the Jesus, that you confess failed to save her even though your Jesus died for her sins. The atonement sacrifice of your Jesus Christ was insufficient for her to enter his Joy, so she who died suffers the wrath of God because your he who died is miserably weak. (Galatians 1:6-7)

Truly, the gospel of Jesus Christ includes that He succeeds in saving every single one of the people for whom he died from the wrath of God (John 10:28). Jesus Christ is Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6), and there is none like God (Isaiah 46:9).

Moreover, Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).
 

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So did Christ a. Come to save sinners b. Make sinners savable c. Make sinners salvation possible ?
Just as the loss of humanity through Adam was in the bag so now the salvation of humanity through Jesus is in the bag.