Wrangler
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I've answered this several times, I hope that's enough.
No, you didn't answer the simple question. That's how you conversate.
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I've answered this several times, I hope that's enough.
I can hardly believe the circles we're going in. Jesus was separated from His body, physical death.
Yea, separation from life! If you want to suppose an existence void of life, now you are really changing the baseline of what it means to be alive.Death is separation.
The Godhead is not a "math equation". Just because you post an equation, that does not signify anything about God.
Jesus died.
And yet you won't get specific on what that means.
Yes of course not, it is not possible.There you have it.
You've decided what is and is not possible, and you interpret the Bible accordingly, or so it seems.
Question: Do you truly believe that it would be fully and completely impossible for our Creator God to incarnate into a human body?
Much love!
So then, no matter what the Bible said about the matter, you will not believe outside of what you consider possible?Yes of course not, it is not possible.
Well I've searched scripture high and low marks and no it's just not there, no incarnation possible I'm afraid,and I'm not going to make it up out of thin....that would be a no no wouldn't you agree?So then, no matter what the Bible said about the matter, you will not believe outside of what you consider possible?
There's no debate then. You don't consider it possible for God to incarnate into flesh.
"With God, all things are possible". Do you believe that?
Much love!
Question: Do you truly believe that it would be fully and completely impossible for our Creator God to incarnate into a human body?
The Word was with God, and God was the Word . . . And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. Hint: John 1Well I've searched scripture high and low marks and no it's just not there, no incarnation possible I'm afraid,and I'm not going to make it up out of thin....that would be a no no wouldn't you agree?
Jesus gave a blanket declaration that covered that situation also, but was not limited,And the scripture you cited there I hope is not your answer to say incarnation is possible with God.
Matt 19:25-26
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Christ was responding to his disciples concerning salvation marks not the possibility of incarnation or anything else here.
Context cannot be overlooked, Christ was saying HIS FATHER could/would save them.....
marks you remind me of being my sparring partner. I'm enjoying growing in strength and refining my techniques and with increasing endurance at your expense and energy who is only there to present an opposing argument that you know little about or have not shown any improvement in understanding; in this case most scripture you present as articles of truth to your cause. Evidently it is something you must enjoy?The Word was with God, and God was the Word . . . And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. Hint: John 1
Jesus gave a blanket declaration that covered that situation also, but was not limited,
With God, all things are possible. Not just This is possible, but the genenal declaration that with God all things are possible. Do you not believe that? But then again, you've already answered, no, God cannot incarnate, that is, take on a human body.
Do you see something inherently sinful in such an act? Is that why you consider it impossible? That God would be wrong to do so? Or that He lacks the power? I wouldn't expect you to say that, but then I wasn't expecting you to declare incarnation impossible for God.
How do you consider when YHWH ate with Abraham and Sarah? Doesn't the fact that He ate with them indicate God presented Himself to them in a human body? Something like that?
Much love!
marks you remind me of being my sparring partner
Amen!Jesus was certainly a human person, else He would not have a body to offer.
It’s not possible that Jesus was a human person in trinitarian theology.
Double AMEN!!"With God, all things are possible". Do you believe that?
Death is not cessation of existence, death is separation, from the body, from God.
Extra-biblical resources carry no Biblical authority.
Much love!
Using your definition of death,
1. Did Jesus experience death [i.e. was Jesus separated from God]?
2. Did God himself experience death [i.e. was God himself separated from God]?
they do if they are reflected in scriptures such as acts 1:8 and 2:42!
And there in lies the problem. When you go outside the bible then you are adding to scripture: That is called the traditions of man. Which I believe is SIN.
And in fact you go outside the Bibe and you can then use what ever you want to choose to make your point.
Let's take it from the top:
John 1.1 in the beginning. Rev 1.1. Jesus' own words state that rev was given by him to John. Rev 3.14 Jesus again stated that he was the first creation of God. Again in Isaiah 45.11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker.
And BTW there are more.
John 1.1 And the word was with God. See ref above
And the word was God. See mark 28.18
Question. Why do we as the creation tell God what he can do and what he is .etc
Why can't God have a son and that son be heir to his throne
Why did Jesus lie to us in john 20.17.
Please look at the history of man. Jesus was killed by the religious power in charge. Fast forward 300yrs
Arius was branded the first heretic because of rev 3.14. Then for the next 1300yrs Christians that wanted to read the Bible in there own language were killed and burned at the stake etc.
Then look at the history of the Canon of the book of revelations. There has never been any issue with rev 1.1 or rev 3.14.
So history teaches that Jesus spoke truth and Christ is deity and John 1.1 is still true
Absolutely
Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom_5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom_6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom_6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom_6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom_7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom_7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1Co_15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co_15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
2Co_1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co_2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
2Co_3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co_4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
J.
Absolutely
Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom_5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom_6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom_6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom_6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom_7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom_7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1Co_15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co_15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
2Co_1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co_2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
2Co_3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co_4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
J.