The Plight of The New Christian

[Taken]

The Plight of The New Christian
^ OP

The OP's opening statement IS missing the ONE most "important" element of all...

Every word of the "person", MUST BE FROM THAT PERSONS HEART .

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

What I got from the opening post was what it may look like from a person saved by todays commercial christianity.
You've done all the right things, said all the right things, felt the right feelings..
now what?

You've just come from a world that lives in darkness, crime, selfishness. me me me..
And you've stepped over to the other side vowing to leave everything you ever knew behind.
And now you are faced with new challenges. But the foundation was never existent in the prior life,
so it may feel like leaving a house built on sand to enter into another house built on sand.

Where did that feeling go??
What happens now?

I didn't read the OP as a testimony, it was more of a what if..
Like someone on the fence asking, what's in it for me if I change?
Commercial Christianity promises you all this good stuff, good fluffy happy feelings..
truth is you face a lot of hard decisions, go through a lot of temptations and trials.
What comes out of it is a new creation of the person you once were.
But you are more. You have better fruit, gifts, deeper undersanding, true friends.
You gain a lot, but you also have to leave a lot behind.

It's that point right in the middle, where you have chosen to walk away, but not sure what your walking into.

That's called Faith.

Anywhoo..
that's how I read the OP.
It wasn't true or false, it was more of a reflection of how someone may find themselves in the transition.

Just my opinion.. (everyone is entitled to at least one)
:)
HUGS

 

[Ziggy]

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

I confess unto you
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
Yours truly,
the Lord's anointed
in Spirit and truth

There is also a verse wher Jesus says:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Confession is a step in the right direction, but there is also action.
You have to turn away from your former way of life. You have to learn to die to your own ego.
You have to take up your own cross and walk towards the finish line.

The Jews were and are still seeking a savior. They don't believe that the savior was and is Jesus Christ in the flesh.
To take it a step deeper. One must believe that Christ lives in themselves. That you are now Christ's flesh and bone.

So while one may confess that Jesus has come in the flesh.. it's the actions that follow that produce the fruit.

thinking..
Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

Thank You friend :)
Sometimes I get talking and I don't always look it up..

There are always consequences of our actions regardless if they have good intentions.
If you know stealing is a sin... then you should find another means to curbing your hunger.

The more I read that verse, the more complicated it becomes.
Just because the theif is hungry doesn't mean he should just be left off the hook for stealing.
What if he is never found, and does it in the next town, and next town...
And the answer is.. The Good Lord has a book. And everything we do is written in it. Be it good or bad.
And there's only one way to settle that debt.
And if you don't know what you don't know, you will surely find out later.

Can you imagine having the authority to judge angels, and I'm stuck on whether to despise a theif or not.

I still got some thinking to do..

Thank You amigo
Hugs

Think on that little fella that Jesus asked to invite Him to dinner.

 

[Ziggy]

Think on that little fella that Jesus asked to invite Him to dinner.

can I have a hint.. :)
which little fella?

Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

can I have a hint.. :)
which little fella?

Hugs

I can’t spell it, the one that crawled up in the tree. Ziceas?

 

[Waiting on him]

For all we know thewrathofgod could be a little midget, or maybe have mold in his house?

 

[Ziggy]

Luk 19:1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

:)
HUGS

 

[Waiting on him]

Luk 19:1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

:)
HUGS

yea that’s the one the chief of all stealers.
Wonder what he was so hungry for?

 

[Ziggy]

yea that’s the one the chief of all stealers.
Wonder what he was so hungry for?

Well we know what he was hungry for.. bread and water and not the carnal kind.
:)
Thank You Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

Nice article, thank you for posting it.

 

[lforrest]

Repented yet "The lord's anointed in spirit and in truth?"

@TheRootOfDavid

 

[TheRootOfDavid]

Repented yet "The lord's anointed in spirit and in truth?"

@TheRootOfDavid

And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews?
And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

 

[lforrest]

And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews?
And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

That is disappointing.

 

[lforrest]

You should be careful as to whom you bother with your silliness and sin.
God just might get enough of it and send a evil spirit to your and your household to torment you
like He did to Saul. Besides, I say it is long over due.

And one more thing.

you cannot keep me from posting on this forum
unless you buy it and remove it from the internet.
OR STAY ON IT 24/7 AND EVEN THEN
if God be willing
your effort would be in vain.

I am waiting for God to kill you
so as you will be gone for good.
I WILL STILL BE HERE.

If you were a brother you wouldn't be attempting to curse me. I simply watch, and see you spew vile demonic filth everywhere you go. Anyone with even a little discernment or biblical literacy can tell. Especially when you start showing your teeth like the above.

And by the way your curse for me to die back in 2020 didn't alight. You should have taken it as a sign, but I'm certain you have been given more warnings than that over the years. I expect the Lord's patience is starting to ware thin with you, and with this world in general.

 

[amigo de christo]

Luk 19:1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

:)
HUGS

The sinner that was drawn to Christ and DID REPENT and not justify his evil . we might wanna remember that part too .
cause today i am seeing this other jesus that seemeth to embrace the evils of men rather than to correct the evils
and those who come to that jesus seem to be HONORING THEIR SINS and not repenting of said sins .
Another jesus cannot convert the sinner from the errors of his ways . BUT JESUS CAN . so its time we preach that one
and HIS doctrine . Rather than judging those who still correct sin IN THE CHURCH .

 

[amigo de christo]

another jesus cannot save , it cannot convert , it will only agree with the sins of he who cometh to it .
Example . we got the rainbow jesus . i sure dont seem to see them being converted from that sin
CAUSE that jesus ACCEPTS THAT SIN and that is why THEY CAME TO IT . see and understand
if the jesus ya coming too contradicts the biblical one , that GOD , HIS DOCRTRINE . THEN IT AINT JESUS THEY COMING TOO .
THAT BE A FACT . i know this pisses people off . BUT TRUE IT IS . EITHER WE LOVE JESUS CHRIST
or we love the DEVIL who used his name to bring us to another jesus that accepts our sins . BINGO .
all incluisive sin accepting rainbow love IS FALSE , all inclusive many path to GOD love IS FALSE . THEY ALL COMING TO THE DEVIL
who through the flesh and lusts of men THEY DO HONOR . its all a sham folks . ITS TIME WE GOT US FACE FIRST
and NOSE DEEP and buried BROW DEEP in bibles again .

 

[Gottservant]

You are going to feel awful about your sin, for the rest of your life - why not let the Holy Spirit remind you of the good things to come?

Your faith means that your desire to sin, will eventually clash with your desire to die on your cross.

These two things combined, will strengthen you on your left and on your right (but as Jesus said "when you do your charitable deed, do not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing - gospels, from memory).

 

[Noitalever]

So now you have said the sinner's prayer.
And you said you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
You asked Jesus into your heart. You confessed with your mouth
that you believed upon his name or by whatever doctrine you
believe you have became saved by...

AND THEY HAVE TOLD YOU THAT YOU
ARE NOW BORN AGAIN AND ARE A NEW CREATURE.

So for the next week or so
some more than less
You have declared to everyone
you are born again and are a new creature.
But one morning you woke up and got out of bed and

YOU SAY TO YOURSELF
WHERE DID THAT GREAT FEELING GO?

And then you noticed that all the problems
you use to have...ARE STILL THERE
waiting on you just like the times before
you thought you had escaped reaping
what you had already sown
by trying to use Christianity as your refuge from
the fruit of all your sins .

+++++++ SO NOW WHAT DO YOU DO +++++++

You have been taught from the very beginning
of your time here on Earth, to be evil.
Just about everything that you have learned,
in some way shape or form, is connected to evil.
So not only is the addiction to all your bad habits
and evil that you have learned, and acquired through
your love for sin, has to be broken and purged from
your heart mind and soul...

You now have to start
all over and
+++++++ LEARN TO DO GOOD +++++++

You were taught
from the very beginning of your time
here on Earth to do everything to promote
yourself and others you love
to bring yourself and others you love all
the pleasures and goods of this world.
Just about everything that you have
learned in some way shape or form,
was connected to feeling the wonderful
sensation of the good and pleasures of this world.

So not only did the addiction to all the bad habits,
and evil that you have learned and acquired, has to be broken,
but feeling the sensations and desires of all the goods and
pleasures of this world, you have to also overcome.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN
+++++++ TO DENY YOURSELF +++++++

You have been taught from the very
beginning of your time here on Earth,
to do everything to relieve and stop
and avoid the suffering of yourself
and others you love of this world,
to bring yourself and others you love
all the pleasures and goods of this world.
Just about everything that you have learned,
in some way shape or form was connected to
feeling the wonderful sensation of the good
and pleasures of this world

AND TO AVOID ALL SUFFERING.

So not only did the addiction to all
the bad habits and evil that
you have learned and acquired has to be broken,
but feeling the sensations
and desires of all the goods and pleasures
of this world, has to also be defeated.

YOU MUST LEARN TO
+++++++ BECOME LONG SUFFERING +++++++

NOW you must learn to be OBEDIENT to God.
Obedience is doing exactly everything
as in accordance to what is acceptable to the Lord.
Anything that is not acceptable to the Lord
is disobedience. YOU MUST LEARN WHAT IS AND
WHAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE LORD.

To do this
YOU MUST KNOW THE LORD.
TO GET TO KNOW THE LORD
YOU MUST FALL IN LOVE WITH THE LORD.

Regardless of what they say and what you are told.
Most all the people on Earth. DO NOT KNOW THE LORD.

Even if they read the bible...
study the bible...pray every day....
say hail Mary no matter how many times a day...
bow down on a rug 5 times a day...
rub beads all day long...go to church every
time the doors are open...
watches Christian TV all day long...
THEY STILL DO NOT KNOW THE LORD.

YOU HAVE TO BREAK YOUR ADDICTION TO EVIL.
AND BECOME ADDICTED TO GOOD.
You must learn to
DO GOOD.
You must learn to
DENY THYSELF.
YOU MUST LEARN TO BECOME LONG SUFFERING.
You must learn to become OBEDIENT to God.
YOU MUST LEARN TO OVERCOME TEMPTATION.
YOU WILL HAVE TO LEARN AND MASTER
ALL OF THESE.
BUT MOST OF ALL
YOU MUST LOVE GOD
MORE THAN YOU LOVE
ALL ELSE AND PROVE IT
EVERYDAY AND NIGHT
TO ENTER
INTO THE STRAIT GATE THE REST OF GOD
TO CEASE FROM YOUR OWN WORKS
TO TRAVEL THE NARROW PATH
THAT LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST
THE LIGHT OF LIFE.
or you will never see
the new Earth.
The world to come.

This is awesome.

 

[christsavedme]

The first thought that came to mind was,
right after Jesus was baptised the Spirit took him into the wilderness where he had to rely on God (not by bread alone but every word) for forty days and nights. All the while being tempted by the devil to concentrate on his stomach, his ego, and his pride.
Some people come to the Lord because they are broken and have hit bottom and there is no other way up than by clinging to faith in the Lord.
Others feel a stirring in their hearts and they know that they are being drawn to Him.
Others come to him due to peer pressure, my friends say, my family says.. this is what I have to do. But they don't necessarilly feel a need or even a desire to.

I was born again when I was 18. But I wasn't at rock bottom, I didn't feel pressured.. I was curious.
I was brought up in a good moral family but we never talked about God or Jesus. My mom taught me a couple prayers and my dad played a couple songs on the guitar, but we weren't religious.

What attracted me to the bible was prophecy and the end of the world and what was it going to look like.
Would I know it when I saw it?
I would dabble in the bible from time to time. When things got rough I would pray. But I didn't really KNOW the Lord.
That came years later.
Sometimes Jesus' 40 day test period can be 40 years to another.
We have to be tested in various ways.
The world comes at you with a vengence. Look at me I'm nice and shiny. Look at these games, you like games, and you get sidetracked on whatever the world can catch your attention with. I liked my job. I poured everything into being just as good as the next guy, to prove I could do a man's job.
Ego...
I never was much for material things. I wore old jeans and t-shirts wore sneakers ate at mc'donalds or cooked my own.
The social scene was never for me. I like being by myself. But that ego.. when it came to a challenge, I had to prove to others I was just as strong and smart as anyone I worked with.

And then I couldn't work. I became weak and my body didn't do what it used to do.
My attention was brought back to the Bible and prophecy. That always seemed to get my attention.
I'm 56 years old now. I've KNOWN the Lord probably about 20 years now, even though I was born again almost 40 years ago.
It took me about 20 years to put aside the "childish" things and really desire to learn why I'm here. What is my purpose?

The more I investigated the bible like a riddle, the more I learned about the one who wrote the plan.
The more I learned about the the plan, the more inspired I became.
The more inspired I became, the more I realized how much I needed Him.
The more I needed Him, the more I loved Him.
When the realization that everything that happens in your life was created for the very purpose of bringing you to know Him..
Every decision you have ever made was one step closer to being where you were meant to be..
And the reason for everything is because He Loved you.. first..

Once that bond forms.. there is no turning back.

So if you are a newbie, and you have only just come to hear or learn of the Lord,
not everyone comes to that bonding stage the same way.
Some it may be instantly, others it may take a life time.

All I can say is Never give up seeking and learning about why your here, and what is your purpose.
Because the Lord will show you eventually, it's always been about the love He has for everyone of us.
And He wants you to get to know Him.
In His word, in your daily life, in your thoughts and in your hopes... He is there just waiting for you to call on him.
Never give up. Never despair.

I found that the times I was closest to the Lord in my life, before I really came to lean on Him for everything...
Was when I was at my lowest, saddest, scariest, hopeless times of my life.
He was always there when I needed Him. And always will be.

This Poem sums up my life as well as many others.

Footprints in the Sand

One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.

After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.

This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."

He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you."

Hugs

Hey Ziggy, your story really hits home, and I appreciate how open you are about your journey. The way you describe finding faith through curiosity about prophecy and then growing closer to God over time feels so real and relatable. It’s like you said—everyone’s path to knowing the Lord is different, and it’s amazing how He meets us where we are, whether it’s in our lowest moments or just a quiet pull toward something more.

I love how you tied in the “Footprints in the Sand” poem. It’s such a beautiful reminder that God’s presence is constant, even when we can’t see it. Your point about life’s challenges—ego, work, or struggles—being part of a bigger plan to draw us closer to Him really resonates. It’s like every trial is a chance to lean into His love and purpose, even if it takes years to see it clearly. For me, reflecting on history and human struggles, I see how God’s grace weaves through every story, from biblical times to now, shaping us to trust Him more.

What you said about never giving up on seeking purpose is so encouraging, especially for anyone just starting out. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, and God’s patience with us is endless. Thanks for sharing such a heartfelt reflection—it’s a nudge to keep seeking Him, no matter where we are on the journey. Hugs back!