The Problem With The Trinity
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You think an "Italian Lex" is better or someone who speaks Italian??
I just don't know if he has the books in the original language.
He does read the O.T. in Hebrew and the N.T. in Greek.
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certainly, bc the Italian speaker can easily be mistaken in their definition (translation) of a term, even an Italian term, whereas a Lexicon is designed to clarify these differences in definitions. Iow i'm sure you can find "Holy Bible" on/in Italian Bibles too right, until you go into the Italian Lex and see that it is not in there in the Original. The Lex has no bias, the Italian speaker does
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ha, everybody has them all now, Genesis 1:1 Lexicon: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. in English, but surely they exist in Italian too. An Interlinear works much the same way i guess
No!
We were discussing the Early Church Fathers.
There's a collection of different volumes regarding their sayings.
Someone had said that they used the word GOD for Jesus but it was really Elohim, or theos and translated to GOD. (by mistake according to the poster).
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ah ok sorry, the same thing is done in Scripture so i thot you guys were discussing the v
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John 21:22 Lexicon: Jesus said to him, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!"
man, i thought i found a legit "return" there for a sec!
note that in your Bibles this is usually xlated "return" instead of "come"
man, i thought i found a legit "return" there for a sec!
note that in your Bibles this is usually xlated "return" instead of "come"
gadar perets
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The key words you said were, "So in their minds, ...". In their minds, they misunderstood Yeshua which is why Yeshua had to correct them. In his mind he was NOT claiming to be God, but the "Son of God" (John 10:36). The Jews were constantly trying to find fault with Yeshua even though there was no fault to be found.
gadar perets
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Even a child can understand that when a person is someone's son, then they cannot be that someone. I am my father's son which means I cannot be my father. YHWH (who you erroneously call "Jehovah" as you follow the KJV error) is Yeshua's Father. What part of Psalms 2:7 do you not understand? You quote Matthew 28:19 and claim it teaches the Son is the everlasting Father even though the trinity doctrine clearly states the Son is NOT the Father.
You love to read your own beliefs into many different texts. The sad thing is, there are those that actually "like" your posts even though they are filled with error.
Nancy
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"Even a child can understand that when a person is someone's son, then they cannot be that someone."
God is no mere "person". It is also a bit silly to see the word "cannot" when in used in reference to the Creator Of The Universe.
Just sayin.
gadar perets
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If the Son can be his own Father, then we have been deceived by the very Scriptures that were meant to enlighten us. YHWH chose words like Son and Father so there would be absolutely no mistaking that they are two separate beings just like any other father and son.
Nancy
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"just like any other father and son." HE is not JUST LIKE any other father and son. And, nothing is impossible with Him.
I will admit that you have made me think on this a bit further than in the past. The only sure way to know, for me anyhow is, the peace that comes after prayer for clarity.
gadar perets
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I agree they are not like any other father and son, but when it comes to the meaning of those words in clarifying their relationship, they are. Think about it Nancy; why would the Father inspire those words to be used if the normal definition of those words does not apply to Him and His Son? Is Miriam really Yeshua's mother? Yes, but not if we change the definition of mother to mean "aunt".
Nancy
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Well, as I said...it is something to keep in prayer, my beliefs have changed over the years and I will not be ridged and un teachable. This one is a biggie though, and will not be moved if and unless I feel led to through prayer.
gadar perets
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What if your prayers are being answered by showing you a different way to view Scripture?
Or, since this "different way" is being told to her before she prayed, it is very likely the devil seeking to show her "a different way" other than the truth.
Nancy
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I already see differing views...my prayer will be to have the truth revealed to me, and to have the courage and humility to settle on the decision I find peace in, regardless of which way it goes. There are also other doctrinal issues I have been looking at as well, such as hell, osas and others. My bottom line is to always want nothing BUT the truth and, He will lead as He will.
I will pray for you Nancy. Keep Luke 16:10 in mind (concerning doctrine); and continue to pray that your understanding develops over time. What matters most is how we perceive things concerning doctrine at the end of our lives (but of course if we teach false doctrine in the interim, we will be held accountable, James 3:1, Galatians 1:6-9, and Jude 1:3-4).
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