what is it called what your doing ? why did paul write saved by grace? i have showed you in scripture as the calvinist say....im not calvinist solo scripture john 3:16 = GRACE the results of john 3;`16
The Proof of Salvation
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I've never said we ARENT saved by the grace (lovingkindness) of God. You just seem to have taken issue with how I speak and how I process things. But I rather think you might just...be bored?
"Speaking the truth in love...."
Truth and love...neither is greater than the other, for both epitomises the character of God. "I am the Way, Truth, Life". How do we know we are saved? 1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. But what is this love that is so highly recommended? When Jesus said "love one another", did He explain what kind of love this was to be...what form it was to take? Yes, He said A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
As I have loved you!! This is no ordinary love. This love we are to have for one another...this love that identifies us as true Christians...this love that is wholly reflective of the character of God for "God is love"...this love that we are commanded to have for one another...is a love that cannot be mimicked by the world...cannot be misunderstood...cannot be confused with lust/brotherly love/ even familial love...but it is self sacrificial love.
It is the very same self sacrificial love that defeated Satan at Calvary...the love that triumphed over sin...the love that won our hearts and brought us to Jesus...the love that is equal to truth because it is who God is...and finally, not only does this love prove who we are, but it is what finally proved to the entire universe who God is...LOVE.
Truth and love...neither is greater than the other, for both epitomises the character of God. "I am the Way, Truth, Life". How do we know we are saved? 1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. But what is this love that is so highly recommended? When Jesus said "love one another", did He explain what kind of love this was to be...what form it was to take? Yes, He said A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
As I have loved you!! This is no ordinary love. This love we are to have for one another...this love that identifies us as true Christians...this love that is wholly reflective of the character of God for "God is love"...this love that we are commanded to have for one another...is a love that cannot be mimicked by the world...cannot be misunderstood...cannot be confused with lust/brotherly love/ even familial love...but it is self sacrificial love.
It is the very same self sacrificial love that defeated Satan at Calvary...the love that triumphed over sin...the love that won our hearts and brought us to Jesus...the love that is equal to truth because it is who God is...and finally, not only does this love prove who we are, but it is what finally proved to the entire universe who God is...LOVE.
A little rant-ish…although some points to make..again..and then again...
God is first and foremost Truth; the reality of everything and is all knowledge and knowing everything. He eventually created Jesus, his Son, to know his Truth – not just man’s truth that is woefully inadequate, fleeting, inaccurate and useless. Jesus today is the one being that knows God’s Truth completely since his ascension, and possibly since his 'baptism.' No other spirit alive know the Truth of God as our Saviour.
Thus, man’s truth or knowledge of/from God’s Truth is very limited and inadequate. That is why for our salvation, we must be given God’s grace that consists of his Truth and his given faith in knowing his Truth that saves. So, God provides his Truth together with his type of faith for us to understand and believe it. There is no other way. Many deceive themselves and walk man-centrically (without Gods presence or his initial intervention) down the wide worldly road to a salvation reserved for destruction.
Adding in Love….
When he sends his messages of Truth or works to create and in creation, it is naturally done in what we call love, the ultimate love that is sacrificial and intimate, as it is of himself.
Scripture thus speaks of God as Love. Love does not produce Truth.
Truth is the substance or messages already within God and love is his method of conveyance to himself and external to himself. Truth is conveyed through his spirit in/ as love. His messages are conveyed automatically with his love. Now love does not ‘save’ a person. The revelation of Truth for salvation is given to mankind as God’s grace to us. It is not love per se. The given Truth (with his given faith) does ‘save’ however. We gain the essential portion of God’s truth as knowledge for salvation as provided in scripture for this purpose
….ranting…said this before...
As we do not really understand God’s truth, we must be given faith the believe in it for salvation. Without God’s intervention in these affairs of salvation we can become saved. We cannot just pick up scripture and create our own faith and thus believe in the words or portions of scripture as the gospel for salvation. That will not save us either. God provides his grace by presenting to us the Truth in his words and his faith so we can then have faith in the Truth that saves. …more of the same in a different form..
It is a miraculous relationship from the start. If we say we have the truth for salvation, then we also have the essential knowledge of God with faith that endures to the end. There is no 'extra' ‘obedience’ to God to gain salvation as many think they require as a key ingredient for salvation -this is not the Truth of God at all. This is carnal man’s invented truth and used as his knowledge to ensure it always stays man-centric and not God-centric……………….stop here I guess
Blessings all,
APAK
God is first and foremost Truth; the reality of everything and is all knowledge and knowing everything. He eventually created Jesus, his Son, to know his Truth – not just man’s truth that is woefully inadequate, fleeting, inaccurate and useless. Jesus today is the one being that knows God’s Truth completely since his ascension, and possibly since his 'baptism.' No other spirit alive know the Truth of God as our Saviour.
Thus, man’s truth or knowledge of/from God’s Truth is very limited and inadequate. That is why for our salvation, we must be given God’s grace that consists of his Truth and his given faith in knowing his Truth that saves. So, God provides his Truth together with his type of faith for us to understand and believe it. There is no other way. Many deceive themselves and walk man-centrically (without Gods presence or his initial intervention) down the wide worldly road to a salvation reserved for destruction.
Adding in Love….
When he sends his messages of Truth or works to create and in creation, it is naturally done in what we call love, the ultimate love that is sacrificial and intimate, as it is of himself.
Scripture thus speaks of God as Love. Love does not produce Truth.
Truth is the substance or messages already within God and love is his method of conveyance to himself and external to himself. Truth is conveyed through his spirit in/ as love. His messages are conveyed automatically with his love. Now love does not ‘save’ a person. The revelation of Truth for salvation is given to mankind as God’s grace to us. It is not love per se. The given Truth (with his given faith) does ‘save’ however. We gain the essential portion of God’s truth as knowledge for salvation as provided in scripture for this purpose
….ranting…said this before...
As we do not really understand God’s truth, we must be given faith the believe in it for salvation. Without God’s intervention in these affairs of salvation we can become saved. We cannot just pick up scripture and create our own faith and thus believe in the words or portions of scripture as the gospel for salvation. That will not save us either. God provides his grace by presenting to us the Truth in his words and his faith so we can then have faith in the Truth that saves. …more of the same in a different form..
It is a miraculous relationship from the start. If we say we have the truth for salvation, then we also have the essential knowledge of God with faith that endures to the end. There is no 'extra' ‘obedience’ to God to gain salvation as many think they require as a key ingredient for salvation -this is not the Truth of God at all. This is carnal man’s invented truth and used as his knowledge to ensure it always stays man-centric and not God-centric……………….stop here I guess
Blessings all,
APAK
That is your opinion and your Truth of Jesus our Saviour, and not necessarily the same as scriptural truth given by God.
Bless you,
APAK
CoreIssue
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CoreIssue
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Ah, I think I remember having a conversation with you a while back, APAK...did you then say Jesus was not to be worshipped? I think you did?
And what is the name of the second person of the Trinity? I know one is God and another is the Holy Spirit, but what do you call the third person of the Trinity?
CoreIssue
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Word, not word. learn the difference.
The father and the Holy Spirit are also called he. And the Trinity as a whole. But they are not males.
You need to learn more about the Hebrew and Greek languages.
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A man who says his Lord is not a person of the Trinity telling me I need to learn is just bizarre...
CoreIssue
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The Flesh that the Word indwelt is Jesus. Created flesh at the incarnation.
Just like the flesh of Adam was created and called son of God.
You have a lot to learn.
In the Old Testament the Trinity was never called father, son and Holy Spirit.
Father and son were roles taken on at th incarnation.
Only Holy Spirit was used throughout the Bible.
CoreIssue
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You do not understand the dual nature of Jesus.
His flesh 100% human Not God. His spirit is 100% God, not human.
The second person of the Trinity indwells the flesh of Jesus, but is not the flesh of Jesus.
Just like your dual nature. You are both flesh and spirit. But they are separate.
Lord is a term used for his spirit, not his flesh.
Just as being king it says flesh, not his spirit. The lineage of King David.
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