The Proof of Salvation

[Enoch111]

Do you worship Jesus? Because if you worship a created being, how is that good?

In order to quote the relevant words, simply highlight them and hit *Reply* which appears at the bottom. Otherwise we do not know whom you are addressing.

And you can give APAK all the Scriptures you want but that will not change his doctrine. And CoreIssue is another one with a weird doctrine about Christ. And again, you can give him all the Scriptures, and it won't make an iota of difference. That's the general trend on Christian forums.

 

[tzcho2]

That is your opinion and your Truth of Jesus our Saviour, and not necessarily the same as scriptural truth given by God.

Bless you,

APAK

That is the teaching of scripture-- Colossians 1:16-17 "15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all thingswere created, things in heaven and on earth,visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…"

 

[CoreIssue]

In order to quote the relevant words, simply highlight them and hit *Reply* which appears at the bottom. Otherwise we do not know whom you are addressing.

And you can give APAK all the Scriptures you want but that will not change his doctrine. And CoreIssue is another one with a weird doctrine about Christ. And again, you can give him all the Scriptures, and it won't make an iota of difference. That's the general trend on Christian forums.

Nothing weird about my beliefs. You have the physical man Jesus Christ existing for eternity, which is totally false.

You have the physical man Christ being God.

You have God dying on the cross when God cannot die.

You cannot reference a single verse before the incarnation showing physical presence of Christ.

You refused to acknowledge that the second person of the Trinity indwells human flesh just as our spirits indwell our flesh.

 

[CoreIssue]

That is the teaching of scripture-- Colossians 1:16-17 "15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all thingswere created, things in heaven and on earth,visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…"

Are you saying God the father has flesh like Jesus?

Are you saying this refers to his human body or his divine spirit?

If you're saying the flesh of Jesus preexisted the incarnation where do we ever see that in the Old Testament?

If Jesus Christ already existed why did he have to be born of Mary? What that not make it reincarnation instead of incarnation?

Are you saying the father is the actual father of the second person of the Trinity?

Are you saying God died on the cross when the Bible makes it clear only a human could die for our sins?

Are you denying the dual nature of Jesus Christ?

 

[tzcho2]

Are you saying God the father has flesh like Jesus?

Are you saying this refers to his human body or his divine spirit?

If you're saying the flesh of Jesus preexisted the incarnation where do we ever see that in the Old Testament?

If Jesus Christ already existed why did he have to be born of Mary? What that not make it reincarnation instead of incarnation?

Are you saying the father is the actual father of the second person of the Trinity?

Are you saying God died on the cross when the Bible makes it clear only a human could die for our sins?

Are you denying the dual nature of Jesus Christ?

stunnedbygrace said"Jesus was with God in the beginning. Everything we see was created through Jesus. He was in the beginning with God And He WAS God."
He is summarizing the scripture, I posted one that stated the same thing. The Word =Jesus.
Here's another:
John1 :" 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[CoreIssue]

stunnedbygrace said"Jesus was with God in the beginning. Everything we see was created through Jesus. He was in the beginning with God And He WAS God."
He is summarizing the scripture, I posted one that stated the same thing. The Word =Jesus.
Here's another:
John1 :" 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

But you have the definition of Word wrong. It is Logos in the Greek.

It is referring to the second person of the Trinity who took on the flesh of Jesus. Not the flesh of Jesus.

 

[tzcho2]

But you have the definition of Word wrong. It is Logos in the Greek.

It is referring to the second person of the Trinity who took on the flesh of Jesus. Not the flesh of Jesus.

Yes true logos, Jesus is called the Word. Jesus is the Word made flesh- yes.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes true logos, Jesus is called the Word. Jesus is the Word made flesh- yes.

Not quite. Logos is only used once in the Bible.
But I agree Jesus is called Lord and God, but only after the incarnation.

That is indicative of his dual nature. Sometimes called a man and sometimes called God. His flesh is man and his spirit is God.

Similar to our flesh being sinful and the old nature while our spirit is sinless and the new nature.

Most people find this very confusing.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Tzcho2, it is very nice to meet you. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. He came into the world He created and the world did not recognize Him.

 

[CoreIssue]

The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. He came into the world He created and the world did not recognize Him.

Quoted correctly. Word not word. Word meaning logos, God.

The flesh of Christ is not God nor did the flesh exist before the incarnation.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Haha! Here we go again.

 

[CoreIssue]

Haha! Here we go again.

Nope, just a reminder since you either forget or don't pay attention.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are a trip.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are a trip.

Or do you mean that he is tripped up ?

 

[CoreIssue]

Or do you mean that he is tripped up ?

You mean she can't deal with the truth, like you.

 

[bbyrd009]

In order to quote the relevant words, simply highlight them and hit *Reply* which appears at the bottom. Otherwise we do not know whom you are addressing.

And you can give APAK all the Scriptures you want but that will not change his doctrine. And CoreIssue is another one with a weird doctrine about Christ. And again, you can give him all the Scriptures, and it won't make an iota of difference. That's the general trend on Christian forums.

glass houses, pEnoch, glass houses ;)

 

[Ezra]

shazam i sure missed a lot while i was at work i observe that possibly stunned by grace enjoys a good argument

in your O.P YOU STATED we are saved by love correct ?
then you said this
I've never said we ARENT saved by the grace (lovingkindness) of God.

do like a good argument..maybe maybe not but i got your attention

 

[brakelite]

Just like your dual nature. You are both flesh and spirit. But they are separate.

And right here is the core issue of why your understanding of the Godhead is off target. Man is not made up of two different beings each having a different nature... Each having a different personality . And one being mortal and the other immortal that lives on with all the same attributes and senses the living person has when walking, talking, working, communicating etc on this earth.
God only is immortal. God is Spirit. Therefore God is the only immortal spirit.
The spirit that returns to God when we die is not a separate living independantt entity . It is the life giving power that animates man and without which he dies. That is why the apostles and the early church looked forward to the resurrection. What you are teaching here is another left over from the Catholic apostasy you have yet to shed.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

shazam i sure missed a lot while i was at work i observe that possibly stunned by grace enjoys a good argument

in your O.P YOU STATED we are saved by love correct ?
then you said this
I've never said we ARENT saved by the grace (lovingkindness) of God.

do like a good argument..maybe maybe not but i got your attention

Correct. I said that truth dictates that we are worthy of death. And that truth without lovingkindness just condemns us. And that if we were tried on truth, we would die. It is only by Gods lovingkindness (grace) that a way was made for us out of death and into life.
Then a shrieking ensued that I was changing scripture. And yes, in a response I said that I never said we ARENT saved by Gods lovingkindness. I kept saying without His grace (lovingkindness - love) no man would be saved.