The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[Spiritual Israelite]

It this late hour so many are clueless as to what is being set up to happen.
The times of the Gentiles ending is upon us big time.
The rapture, the temple rebuilt, the left behinds slaughtered and then onward from there.

Deception Un paralled in earth's history.
The first is last....last is first
1) Advent of Jesus and the religious world clueless ,was his entry to earth.
2) Rapture, Jesus entering the sky, half of Christianity (the religious ones ) ...and those rejecting any possibility of his coming soon, clueless.

2 blindings that leave those blinded ones in torment.
Whew...sad indeed.

 

[Douggg]

.the 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is made

Why do you say "made" ? The text of Daniel 9:27 does not say "made".

 

[The Light]

White horse rider is the world leader.

The rider on the white horse will be the first Antichrist. He is the 7th king and prince that will come. He will give His power to the eighth king who is of the seven. The eighth king will be the return of Nimrod, who Jesus warns the Jews about.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Nimrod bow.
A crown
A Messiah
A conquer...(of Christians.)

I'm with you on the Nimrod bow, but I think the rider on the white horse is the first false savior. He is who the world is looking for. On the back of the dollar bill is the pyramid with the eye of Horus above it. Horus is the false savior who is really Tammuz of Babylon. He is also Apollo to the Greeks. Apollo carries his bow.

The crown he is given is the stephanos crown, the leaf crown of victory which is the symbol of the United Nations. He will be the Secretary General of the United Nations.

THAT begins the trib.
Jacob's TROUBLE IS 7 YEARS LONG.
the first captivity was 70 years. (Babylon)

The week will begin when a 7 year covenant with many is made............that the antichrist confirm. And the confirmation will likely occur at a latter time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you say "made" ? The text of Daniel 9:27 does not say "made".

He probably does that for the same reason that you don't think that "the woman" who is identified as "that great city" in Revelation 17:18 is the same as "that great city Babylon" referenced in Revelation 18:10. It's called doctrinal bias.

 

[The Light]

Why do you say "made" ? The text of Daniel 9:27 does not say "made".

There cannot be a covenant until it is made.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There cannot be a covenant until it is made.

The verse is talking about confirming or putting into effect a previous covenant (promise) that was made.

 

[The Light]

He probably does that for the same reason that you don't think that "the woman" who is identified as "that great city" in Revelation 17:18 is the same as "that great city Babylon" referenced in Revelation 18:10. It's called doctrinal bias.

No. I said made because there cannot be a covenant until it is made.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. I said made because there cannot be a covenant until it is made.

It's talking about the confirming of a covenant. The covenant/promise can have been previously made before it is confirmed.

 

[The Light]

The verse is talking about confirming or putting into effect a previous covenant (promise) that was made.

Why did you use the word made.?

Thanks for proving my point. You cannot have a covenant until it is made.

 

[Douggg]

I am unable to find this in my Bible. Is this in 1 Douggg or 2 Douggg or possible one of the other books of Douggg.

I annotated the basis for the big speech as Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

In Deuteronomy 31, the children of Israel were about to cross the Jordan river to possess the land given to them under the Mt. Sinai covenant.

So that future generations would not forget all Moses's generation went through to possess the land that God gave them - Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 made a law.

The law was that in the feast of tabernacles, from the place of God's choosing, at the end of ever 7 years, the leaders of Israel were to make a speech to the people of Israel - reminding the children of Israel that God had given the land of Israel as theirs forever. Moses set the cycle as every 7 years.... i.e. that's where the "for seven years" comes from.

"in the place that God shall choose", the Jews currently hold to be the temple mount.


Deuteronomy 31:

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

 

[Douggg]

There cannot be a covenant until it is made.

The covenant in Daniel 9:27 is the Mt. Sinai covenant. It was made way back when the children of Israel exited Egypt to go to the promised land.

Daniel 9:24, the 70 weeks are determined upon Daniels's people, the Jews, and Jerusalem. We have to think in those terms. The Jews and Jerusalem will be deeply involved.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why did you use the word made.?

Thanks for proving my point. You cannot have a covenant until it is made.

I didn't disagree with that point. Hello? I'm saying the covenant/promise doesn't have to have been originally made at the same time that it is confirmed. For example, the new covenant was made by God well before it was confirmed by Jesus. That's what I believe Daniel 9:27 is about, but I know you disagree and I'm not going to argue about it here right now. I'm just trying to get you to understand what confirming a covenant means in relation to making a covenant.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The covenant in Daniel 9:27 is the Mt. Sinai covenant. It was made way back when the children of Israel exited Egypt to go to the promised land.

Daniel 9:24, the 70 weeks are determined upon Daniels's people, the Jews, and Jerusalem. We have to think in those terms. The Jews and Jerusalem will be deeply involved.

I, of course, disagree with which covenant it's talking about there, but I agree with you in the sense that it was made long before it is confirmed. The Light doesn't seem to know the difference between making and confirming a covenant.

 

[Douggg]

The rider on the white horse will be the first Antichrist. He is the 7th king and prince that will come. He will give His power to the eighth king who is of the seven. The eighth king will be the return of Nimrod, who Jesus warns the Jews about.

The seventh king will be the end times little horn person.

He will be killed and brought back to life to become the eighth king - the beast king.

The "continues a short space" is the 42 months in Revelation 13:5.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

If you look closely at my diagram of the 5 stages of the little horn, on the left right above "the little horn" in blue text, I have a box that says "King 7 of Revelation 17:10". You can click on the diagram which will open a new window with it enlarged, to make it easier to view.

And on the right hand side, above the beast-king, I have a box that says "King 8 of Revelation 17:11".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The seventh king will be the end times little horn person.

He will be killed and brought back to life to become the eighth king - the beast king.

Only God can resurrected the dead and He will not be resurrecting any "little horn person" from the dead. That is complete nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever that God would want to do such a thing.

 

[Douggg]

Only God can resurrected the dead and He will not be resurrecting any "little horn person" from the dead. That is complete nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever that God would want to do such a thing.

God will bring the assassinated revealed man of sin (stage of the little horn person) back to life. It is in Isaiah 14:18-20.

The people of the world will be shocked to see the person sit up in his casket, come back to life.

 

[Douggg]

Only God can resurrected the dead and He will not be resurrecting any "little horn person" from the dead. That is complete nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever that God would want to do such a thing.

God will bring the person back to life as part of the strong delusion that God sends for them who will believe the person's lie of having achieved God-hood, in 2Thessalonians2:4.

2Thessalonians2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God will bring the assassinated revealed man of sin (stage of the little horn person) back to life.

No, He will not.

It is in Isaiah 14:18-20.

It's interesting how you couldn't be bothered to post the text. I wonder why...

Isaiah 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Nothing here at all about God supposedly resurrecting a man of sin from the dead in the future for no explicable reason.

The people of the world will be shocked to see the person sit up in his casket, come back to life.

They would be, sure, but it's not going to happen. Your sensationalist brand of prophecy is nothing more than that. It's just sensationalistic nonsense that draws attention and tries to make the Bible more exciting. It might make for an entertaining movie, but it makes for bad doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God will bring the person back to life as part of the strong delusion that God sends for them who will believe the person's lie of having achieved God-hood, in 2Thessalonians2:4.

2Thessalonians2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

There's nothing there in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the man of sin being resurrected from the dead. You are just making things up in your imagination.

 

[Douggg]

Isaiah 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Nothing here at all about God supposedly resurrecting a man of sin from the dead in the future for no explicable reason.

I highlighted the text. The person's dead body will not be buried. It will still be in the casket, when God casts his soul out hell, in disdain for him. At the end of the 7 years, the person will be cast alive into the lake of fire.