The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[The Light]

It does not say in Revelation 6:12-17, the sixth seal, that the great tribulation is over. The great tribulation is not over until the abomination of desolation statue image is destroyed, turned to ashes.

The scripture below shows that the great tribulation which is the tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal.

The is not scripture that says the great tribulation s not over until the abomination of desolation statue image is destroyed, turned to ashes. That concept comes from 1 Douggg.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The great tribulation will be a time of trouble that the world has not seen, nor ever will again. There will be Satan's wrath taking place during that time.

Exactly.

And also God's wrath taking place at that time.

Is this in 2 Douggg?

My Bible does not contain 2 Douggg. My Bible says that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath. THEREFORE, they do not take place at the same time.

No, the exact timing of the first four angels trumpet plagues is not given. Only the sequence.

The timing is given. It takes place in the 7th seal. The seventh comes after the 6th seal. Simple.

 

[Douggg]

Right.

According to the scripture in 1 Douggg?

I am unaware of any scripture that says that the great tribulation is over when the statue image of the beast-king is no longer standing in the holy place. Can you produce this scripture? or are you making stuff up again?

Why not try using the Word of God to determine when the great tribulation is over.

The tribulation of those days, which is the great tribulation, is over at the 6th seal. Cut and dried, without question, scriptural FACT. We don't need your sledgehammer beating events into places they do not belong.

This is a prefect example of why your charts are in error.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


What do you mean THEREFORE? You provided a statement form 1 Douggg and theN conclude THEREFORE, without any scriptural support whatsoever.


I'm not interested in your illustration of something that you have made up.

I am interested in the scripture that proves what you are saying is correct. We both know that you cannot provide it.

However, I have provided the scriptural that proves that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. ADJUST YOUR CHART ACCORDINGLY.

In Revelation 20:1-3, where is Satan when the angel comes down from heaven to bind him with a chain ?

You need to look at my illustration, the abomination of desolation statue image being destroyed, and the bible passages noted next to it. Go read those. And maybe you will understand that the great tribulation is not over until the abomination statue image - which triggers the great tribulation is destroyed.

You are the one in post #125 who said - "Tribulation is when the dragon is trying to kill Christians." So how does the great tribulation end without Satan being dealt with ?

 

[The Light]

We KNOW it is 7 years.

There is no scripture that says that the great tribulation is 7 years. PERIOD.

From the scripture below we can tell that the Messiah comes 69 weeks after the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem.

Jesus is baptized by John and John says "behold the Lamb of God"

So 69 weeks of the 70 weeks of Daniel have passed when Messiah the prince shows up.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times.

Then the Word says a covenant with many will be made for one week. PERIOD. The Antichrist will confirm this covenant. There is no mention that he confirms this covenant when it is made. For example a year or two could pass after this covenant is made before the Antichrist confirms it.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So to rehash Daniel 9. Jesus shows up after 69 weeks (weeks of 7). Three to three and a half years later, the Messiah is cut off. So of the 70 weeks that are determined upon the people of Daniel, 69 and a half weeks or slightly less have occurred.

We also have a 7 year covenant that will be confirmed by the Antichrist at some point in time after it is made.

Daniel says in the middle of the week ( 3.5 yrs into the 7 YEARS) the AOD takes place.

Right. In the middle of the week the AOD is set up. This is not the middle of the 70th week, it is the middle of the week that a covenant with many is made, which will be confirmed in the future.

So how long is the great tribulation? It is certainly not 7 years.

The great tribulation cannot be longer than one and a half years.

 

[KUWN]

There is no scripture that says that the great tribulation is 7 years. PERIOD.

Nobody believes that the great tribulation is 7 years long. It is only 3 and one half years.

The book of Revelation gives the weeks in the first half of the tribulation as 3 and one half weeks. The Great tribulation is also 3 and one half weeks. The covenant between the Jews and Antichrist is broken after 3 and a half years, in the middle of the Tribulation. That marks the middle of the week.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nobody believes that the great tribulation is 7 years long. It is only 3 and one half years.

The book of Revelation gives the weeks in the first half of the tribulation as 3 and one half weeks. The Great tribulation is also 3 and one half weeks. The covenant between the Jews and Antichrist is broken after 3 and a half years, in the middle of the Tribulation. That marks the middle of the week.

I'm trying to understand your view. You say the Tribulation is 7 years long with the second half of it being great tribulation. What tribulation exactly do you think is happening in the first 3.5 years?

 

[Douggg]

Nobody believes that the great tribulation is 7 years long. It is only 3 and one half years.

The book of Revelation gives the weeks in the first half of the tribulation as 3 and one half weeks. The Great tribulation is also 3 and one half weeks. The covenant between the Jews and Antichrist is broken after 3 and a half years, in the middle of the Tribulation. That marks the middle of the week.

Hi KUWN,

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place. Matthew24:15-21.

Jesus cited what the prophet Daniel said about the abomination of desolation. So we go to Daniel 12:11-12.

There are two timeframes given in those two verses. 1290 days. 1335 days.

So we subtract 1335 days from the 2520 days of the 7 years. We get 1185. On day 1185 the abomination of desolation will be set up, 1335 days before Jesus returns on day 2520.

Next we count forward from day 1185, 1290 days to day 2475. Most of the great tribulation will be over at that point. Matthew 24:29 calls that portion "the tribulation of those days.

So, what happens on day 2475 ? The answer is in Matthew 24:30.

In Matthew 24:30, there are two parts to that verse.
a. the sign of the Son of man appearing in heaven.
b. Jesus coming in the clouds in great glory and power.

On day 2475, the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven. The sign will be Jesus - sickle in hand.

That event, the sixth seal of Revelation 6:12-17, will terrify the kings of the earth. So in Revelation 16:13-16, they will gather their armies at Armageddon, a place in Israel, to prepare to make war on Jesus and his army.

In Revelation 16:13, they do so at the convincing of the beast-king, the false prophet, and Satan (who will be indwelling the abomination of desolation statue image, making it appear to come to life and speak, and be worshiped).

So for 45 days (day 2475 to day 2520) they make ready, gather, to make war on Jesus and his army (Revelation 19:19).

On day 2520, Jesus descends down to earth. Satan, who will be indwelling the statue image of the beast, will be exposed, as Jesus causes the statue to burst into flames and turned to ashes. Ezekiel 28:16-19 describes that happening. Satan cast down to earth, Revelation 12:7-9, in the middle of the 7 years, becomes a terror to the inhabitants of the earth, knowing his time is short. Then, in Ezekiel 28:19, he becomes a terror no more.

Once Satan is exposed, for the kings of the earth and everyone present to see, in Revelation 19:20, the beast-king and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire. I suspect a portal, like a fiery whirlpool, will appear in the sky and everyone there that day will see it happen. Then the portal closed.

Then in Revelation 19:21 the kings of the earth and their armies, Jesus will destroy.

Then in Revelation 20:1-3, an angel will descend from heaven to earth, the temple mount, where Satan will be standing, exposed. Satan will be bound with a chain and cast into the bottomless pit. Again, I suspect a portal will open in the sky, like a dark whirlpool, and Satan cast into it. And the portal then closed.

So, the great tribulation will be 1335 days long. It will end on the day Jesus returns and destroys the abomination of desolation statue image, exposing Satan, that everyone will see him there on the temple mount.

abomination of desolation statue image set up on the temple mount. abomination of desolation statue image destroyed when Jesus returns. 1335 days between the two events.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is no scripture that says that the great tribulation is 7 years. PERIOD.

From the scripture below we can tell that the Messiah comes 69 weeks after the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem.

Jesus is baptized by John and John says "behold the Lamb of God"

So 69 weeks of the 70 weeks of Daniel have passed when Messiah the prince shows up.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times.

Then the Word says a covenant with many will be made for one week. PERIOD. The Antichrist will confirm this covenant. There is no mention that he confirms this covenant when it is made. For example a year or two could pass after this covenant is made before the Antichrist confirms it.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So to rehash Daniel 9. Jesus shows up after 69 weeks (weeks of 7). Three to three and a half years later, the Messiah is cut off. So of the 70 weeks that are determined upon the people of Daniel, 69 and a half weeks or slightly less have occurred.

We also have a 7 year covenant that will be confirmed by the Antichrist at some point in time after it is made.


Right. In the middle of the week the AOD is set up. This is not the middle of the 70th week, it is the middle of the week that a covenant with many is made, which will be confirmed in the future.

So how long is the great tribulation? It is certainly not 7 years.

The great tribulation cannot be longer than one and a half years.

The trib is 7 yrs long period

One week is 7 yrs.
The white horse rider is the beginning of the 7 yr trib.
3.5 yrs later he is the player in the AOD.
NO way to wiggle out of it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is no scripture that says that the great tribulation is 7 years. PERIOD.

From the scripture below we can tell that the Messiah comes 69 weeks after the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem.

Jesus is baptized by John and John says "behold the Lamb of God"

So 69 weeks of the 70 weeks of Daniel have passed when Messiah the prince shows up.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times.

Then the Word says a covenant with many will be made for one week. PERIOD. The Antichrist will confirm this covenant. There is no mention that he confirms this covenant when it is made. For example a year or two could pass after this covenant is made before the Antichrist confirms it.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So to rehash Daniel 9. Jesus shows up after 69 weeks (weeks of 7). Three to three and a half years later, the Messiah is cut off. So of the 70 weeks that are determined upon the people of Daniel, 69 and a half weeks or slightly less have occurred.

We also have a 7 year covenant that will be confirmed by the Antichrist at some point in time after it is made.


Right. In the middle of the week the AOD is set up. This is not the middle of the 70th week, it is the middle of the week that a covenant with many is made, which will be confirmed in the future.

So how long is the great tribulation? It is certainly not 7 years.

The great tribulation cannot be longer than one and a half

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
70 weeks from cirus command to rebuild Jerusalem, until the mil.
70 weeks is the bracket.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

69 weeks are used at this point

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The "prince" here is not Jesus

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He, the AC makes a covenant for 7 years.
The setting of today is clearly the NEED FOR middle east peace. The world is ready for the "miracle man" to come, bring peace ( the 7 yr covenant), and decieve the world. The mark comes immediately.
The 7 yr trib is kicked off by the ac. The white horse rider.
His crown is a world leader crown.
He is given authority. A crown
He has a bow.
The bow symbolizes nimrod...world leadership.
The rapture is simultaneous to the ac arrival.

You have inserted so many one word events
*Trib
*Great trib
*Wrath
.....that are discriptive but not intended for making alternate interpretations.
Yet that is where your CENTER IS.
You literally BASE end times on labels, to the point of actually SKIPPING the non negotiable facts.

Halfway through the 7 YEARS OF THE AC he installs the AOD.

Pretty much impossible to rearrange it.

 

[The Light]

The trib is 7 yrs long period

There is a final 7 year period that will begin when a covenant with many is made. An example of this type of covenant would be the 7 year covenant with many that was signed in 9/2023.

One week is 7 yrs.

Correct. And that 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

The white horse rider is the beginning of the 7 yr trib.

No. The covenant with many being signed is the beginning of the 7 years.

3.5 yrs later he is the player in the AOD.

In the midst of the week the AOD will be set up. From that time there is 3.5 years to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

NO way to wiggle out of it.

There's nothing to wiggle out of. You say the 7 year period will begin when the rider on the white horse rides. And yet you can provide no scripture to support this view.

I say the final 7 years begins when a covenant with many is made.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

As for the tribulation being 7 years long there is not one scripture that you can produce that will support this.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal, then the 7th seal is opened and the 1 year wrath of God begins. So the tribulation is not 3.5 years long..................and it's definitely not 7 years long.

 

[Douggg]

There is a final 7 year period that will begin when a covenant with many is made. An example of this type of covenant would be the 7 year covenant with many that was signed in 9/2023.

The 7 year 70th week will begin when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle that is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, verse 10. The confirmation cycle has not be done in recent times because of the Muslim control of the temple mount.

The Muslim obstacle will end with the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. After the destruction of the Muslm and Russian armies, there will be 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow. Those 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

Correct. And that 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

No, the text says nothing about signing a covenant. The confirming of the covenant with many for 7 years will be a single act by the Antichrist that starts the 7 years.

The act will be a big speech by the Antichrist to the people of Israel from the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

The trib is 7 yrs long period

Hi rebuilder 454

The problem is calling the 7 year 70th week - "the trib". It is misleading to do so because a big portion of the first half will not be tribulation, as the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age.

By habit the proponents of the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib views of the rapture time have referred to the 70th week as "the tribulation", "trib" for short.

What I suggest is to avoid the confusion, while not changing your view of when the rapture takes place is to refer to pre-trib view as the pre-70th week view. Same goes for the other two views.

pre-trib ....call instead......> pre-70th week

mid-trib....call instead......> mid-70th week

post-trib....call instead......> post-70th week.

If you apply my suggestion, it will eliminate a lot of arguments that you encounter because of wording.

 

[Douggg]

The white horse rider is the beginning of the 7 yr trib.
3.5 yrs later he is the player in the AOD.
NO way to wiggle out of it.

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is correctly identified as being the Antichrist person.

I show the rider on the white horse on the timeline down below.

The actual beginning of the 7 year 70th week is when the Antichrist person confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant by make a big speech from the temple mount.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is a final 7 year period that will begin when a covenant with many is made. An example of this type of covenant would be the 7 year covenant with many that was signed in 9/2023.

Correct. And that 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

No. The covenant with many being signed is the beginning of the 7 years.


In the midst of the week the AOD will be set up. From that time there is 3.5 years to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

There's nothing to wiggle out of. You say the 7 year period will begin when the rider on the white horse rides. And yet you can provide no scripture to support this view.

I say the final 7 years begins when a covenant with many is made.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

As for the tribulation being 7 years long there is not one scripture that you can produce that will support this.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal, then the 7th seal is opened and the 1 year wrath of God begins. So the tribulation is not 3.5 years long..................and it's definitely not 7 years long.

White horse rider is the world leader.
Nimrod bow.
A crown
A Messiah
A conquer...(of Christians.)

THAT begins the trib.
Jacob's TROUBLE IS 7 YEARS LONG.
the first captivity was 70 years. (Babylon)

 

[rebuilder 454]

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is correctly identified as being the Antichrist person.

I show the rider on the white horse on the timeline down below.

The actual beginning of the 7 year 70th week is when the Antichrist person confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant by make a big speech from the temple mount.

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I would say so.
He comes as a world leader.
Takes power right away.
His job ( main job I should say) is to wipe the Christians from the face of the earth.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hi rebuilder 454

The problem is calling the 7 year 70th week - "the trib". It is misleading to do so because a big portion of the first half will not be tribulation, as the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age.

By habit the proponents of the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib views of the rapture time have referred to the 70th week as "the tribulation", "trib" for short.

What I suggest is to avoid the confusion, while not changing your view of when the rapture takes place is to refer to pre-trib view as the pre-70th week view. Same goes for the other two views.

pre-trib ....call instead......> pre-70th week

mid-trib....call instead......> mid-70th week

post-trib....call instead......> post-70th week.

If you apply my suggestion, it will eliminate a lot of arguments that you encounter because of wording.

Good idea.
I am old
Been debating end times for almost 50 years.
"The wrath "
"Prewrath"
"Great trib as the last half".....Are all modern inventions.
Pure confusion and rabbit trals.

My view is "panoramic" and "end times " in its entirety.
Not brackets that do not fit the panoramic picture.
For example the entirety of end times has Genesis,( man walking in total purity with God) as it's final target
2) the throne of David re established
3) most every component of the earth and Adam in Genesis as types of God's final intentions for man, and earth.
4) the two brides ( Gomer and Ruth) established to heaven and the feast with both brides

All my eschatology presently is through the prism of the bride and groom.
Mainly Ruth.
( I changed from generalized pretrib rapture to that prism about 10 years ago)
It was me personally that introduced Rev 14:14 about that same time.
Nobody saw it.
No postribber can unpack it.
It is the nuke that irrefutable destroys their erroneous doctrine.
Neither can they answer the virgin parable or " before the flood" or " like manner"
Or the ability to see 2 comings in mat 24.

The covenant Jew (wayward wife) is way future and only Effects me indirectly

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nobody believes that the great tribulation is 7 years long. It is only 3 and one half years.

The book of Revelation gives the weeks in the first half of the tribulation as 3 and one half weeks. The Great tribulation is also 3 and one half weeks. The covenant between the Jews and Antichrist is broken after 3 and a half years, in the middle of the Tribulation. That marks the middle of the week.

Way too much labeling that does not make any difference, unless we need some verse modified.
Like Doug said; call the 7 yr period most anything you want.
But the AOD happens in the middle of A SPECIFIC BRACKET OF TIME.
PERIOD.
I call that 7 years;
the gt..
the trib...
Jacob's trouble.

All fit flawlessly.

They are descriptive names.
Not special labels to re interpret the 7 year period

 

[Douggg]

All my eschatology presently is through the prism of the bride and groom.

My eschatology approach is two part.

1. the events that have end-times time frames associated with them.

2. the development of the little horn person to ultimately become the beast-king.

In addition to my written commentary, I use timeline charts, diagrams, tables, illustrations, to clarify what I write.

The are a total of 15 end times time frames given in the bible. I show those on this table...




And regarding the development of the little horn person, this diagram.... His development is from left to right.....

 

[rebuilder 454]

My eschatology approach is two part.

1. the events that have end-times time frames associated with them.

2. the development of the little horn person to ultimately become the beast-king.

In addition my written commentary, I use timeline charts, diagrams, tables, illustrations, to clarify what I write.

The are a total of 15 end times time frames given in the bible. I show those on this table...

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And regarding the development of the little horn person, this diagram.... His development is from left to right.....


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If the bride /groom component is back burnered, the panoramic picture is lost.
Same with the 3 targets.
1 the gathering of the bride
2 the gathering/ purchase of Gomer
3 the throne of David re established.

Hardly anyone has the knowledge of the central cores of end times.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It this late hour so many are clueless as to what is being set up to happen.
The times of the Gentiles ending is upon us big time.
The rapture, the temple rebuilt, the left behinds slaughtered and then onward from there.

Deception Un paralled in earth's history.
The first is last....last is first
1) Advent of Jesus and the religious world clueless ,was his entry to earth.
2) Rapture, Jesus entering the sky, half of Christianity (the religious ones ) ...and those rejecting any possibility of his coming soon, clueless.

2 blindings that leave those blinded ones in torment.
Whew...sad indeed.

 

[The Light]

The 7 year 70th week will begin when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle that is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, verse 10. The confirmation cycle has not be done in recent times because of the Muslim control of the temple mount.

Sorry, I'm going to have to go with Bible on this one.

As I said...........with scriptural proof...............the 7 year period will begin when a covenant with many is made such as the UN 7 year covenant that was made with many in September 2023.

We will not know which covenant it is until the Antichrist confirms a seven year covenant.

The Muslim obstacle will end with the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. After the destruction of the Muslm and Russian armies, there will be 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow. Those 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

Again, I'm going to have to go with Bible on this one also.

Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years.

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

No, the text says nothing about signing a covenant. The confirming of the covenant with many for 7 years will be a single act by the Antichrist that starts the 7 years.

My mistake. I should have said when a covenant with many is made.

The act will be a big speech by the Antichrist to the people of Israel from the temple mount.

I am unable to find this in my Bible. Is this in 1 Douggg or 2 Douggg or possible one of the other books of Douggg.