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LOL, no, the rapture doesn't last that long and it takes place before any of the vials are poured.
The Rapture of the Church is not to Heaven
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LOL, no, the rapture doesn't last that long and it takes place before any of the vials are poured.
"The male child" is Israel. Where the "throne of God" will be located is written in the Bible:
And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places. (Ezekiel 43:7)
The "woman" who gives birth to Israel is the faithful part of the Church to God, the saints in Christ (the sun is an image of Christ), like the Apostle Paul:
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, (Galatians 4:19)
As a result of the joint prayers and actions of the saints, Israel is to become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.
This will not happen immediately. First, the saints must be revealed - after the 7th seal. Then these saints (the Philadelphia Church of Revelation) will enter the eastern gate of the Temple, from the 6th to the 7th trumpet, during the 10 days from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur. Then the dead must be resurrected: the Jews must turn to God. When this is achieved, after the 6th vial of wrath, the aliyah of the 5 wise virgins, "kings from the east," "the lost tribes of Israel" will begin. This aliyah will end with the building of the city of Yahweh Shammah by the 7th vial of wrath, on Simchat Torah. This entire graphic example of the appearance of God will make life unbearable in the denominations of Christian Babylon. A hail of talented words (Revelation 16:21) from the community of saints in Israel will be against them. After this, apparently on Purim, the resurrected tribes of Israel will receive portions of the land in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, chapters 47 and 48. Thus, gradually, the Word of God will be incarnated in Israel. And we know that in the First Coming, the Word of God was incarnated in Jesus Christ. Thus, Israel will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the Second Coming.
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No, he is Jesus.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Identifying this man child is easy enough. Who was caught up to God's throne and was to rule all nations with a rod of iron?
"who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron"
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Of course the child who would become a man that would rule over ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron is Jesus Christ.
"caught up unto God, and to his throne"
That's exactly what happened to Jesus:
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
You are confusing the "rapture" of the 5 wise virgins and the appearance of the Lord, who will be incarnated in the Angel of the Philadelphia church.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)
The moment of closing the eastern gate of the Third Temple, where the saints from the nations entered, will become this "twinkling of an eye" when the status of the people who entered the gate will change: they will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the Second Coming. The official religions of Judaism and Christianity will reject this event. After that, they will receive "vials of wrath".
The event of the entry of the elect from the four winds into the eastern gate of the Temple is the coming of the Bridegroom from the parable in Matthew 25.
After His coming, those who have burning lamps will be admitted to the wedding feast, that is, those who fulfill the commandments of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-6-7. In the situation of the disasters of the last times, only those who have a supply of the "oil" of the Holy Spirit will be able to do this. The Holy Spirit is bought from God by giving oneself to Him as a sacrifice. Those who until then limited themselves to 10% tax in the denomination, paying the unlawful tithe, did not acquire the Spirit for themselves from this action. They will not have time to "buy" the Spirit for themselves, and those who have the Spirit will not share with them. No one will pray for others.
When Judaism accepts the saints of the Philadelphia church, a few months after their entry through the eastern gate, then the 5 wise virgins will be taken to Israel for the "wedding feast."
It is impossible for Jesus to have been born by one of the 7 churches of Revelation:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
(Revelation 2:26,27)
This 4th church is the central lamp of the menorah and symbolizes all Christian confessions and denominations. See The Seven Churches of Revelation Now .
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Your claims are found no place in scripture
Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Eternal "New Jerusalem"
Ezekiel 48:31KJV
31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.
Revelation 21:12KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Does this mean that you disagree that Jesus is meant in Revelation 19:15? If it wasn't already clear that Jesus is meant in verse 15, verse 16 makes it crystal clear that He is meant in verse 15. And verse 15 says he shall rule them with a rod of iron. Exactly what Revelation 12:5 says about the man child in question.
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
As to what you brought up per Revelation 2:26-27, you seem to be ignoring this part in verse 27---even as I received of my Father. Which means Jesus will be sharing some of that authority with overcomers when He sits upon the throne of His glory when He returns to the earth. Is that meaning the third temple though, that you have been going on about in numerous posts throughout this board? I tend to doubt that it is involving a third temple which involves animal sacrificing. It makes zero sense that animal sacrificing ceased 2000 years but then resumes when Jesus returns. That would be going backward not forward.
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Here is a question some of us need to be asking ourselves, including me. There are 9 chapters devoted to this temple. Why then would what you brought up be the only thing in these 9 chapters that are true, thus are fulfilled, while everything else is not true, thus not fulfilled? I wish I had an answer to that except I don't. It's very puzzling, at least to me anyway, that there are 9 chapters devoted to this temple, and that some of it is true, thus is fulfilled, and that some of it isn't true, thus is never fulfilled.
Revelation describes the inner world of man. And Ezekiel describes the real material world.
In both Revelation and Ezekiel, only Israelites will be allowed into the temple and the city: the wall and 12 gates are needed to prevent nations from entering the territory forbidden to them, pagans will not be allowed there.
As for the leaves of the trees, these trees will grow in the material world, near the Third Temple. But pagans will not be allowed into the territory of the Lord's estate, so the leaves of the trees from there can be exported to other countries. Probably, these leaves will be accompanied by the Holy Spirit, as was the case with the aprons of the Apostle Paul, with which people were healed.
And Revelation gives a picture of the inner world, where everything has a symbolic meaning. The product of the inner world, where the Jews live, will be "exported" to other nations. An example of this is the Bible itself - a product created by the Jews. The Bible serves to heal the nations, and in the Millennial Kingdom, the word of God will come forth in various forms from the Jewish city of Heavenly Jerusalem. On earth, this will be realized in the Jewish city of Yahweh Shammah, which will be the earthly projection of Heavenly Jerusalem. From there, this word of God in the form of books, films, music, and art will be exported to other nations for their spiritual healing.
There is Jesus as He was in the First Coming. And there is Jesus incarnate in the Second Coming in a multitude of people. This is also Jesus, but in the physical world He looks completely different, He can be in men, He can be in women. That individual Jesus Who was in the First Coming, earthly people will no longer see. He will be able to appear only to those from the tribes of Israel, and this will be hidden by the walls of the city of Yahweh Shammah from the rest of the world.
Revelation 2:26,27 shows us Jesus in us, that is, the collective Jesus, who will be gathered from the nations in Israel and will be incarnated by Israel itself. He is the collective Messiah Israel, born by the Church faithful to Christ in the form of a woman in the sun. Jesus in the Second Coming will have a new name - ISRAEL (Revelation 3:12).
Revelation operates in allegories, and in Revelation 19:15,16 a generalized Jesus is shown, where we should not separate the Jesus of the First Coming and the Jesus in the multitude of saints in the Second Coming.
Animal sacrifices in the Third Temple will necessarily take place, from the very first day, from the beginning of the dedication of the altar in the days when the saints from the nations begin to enter through the eastern gate. This is the will of God, as set forth in the Holy Scriptures, and we are obliged to fulfill the will of the Father. It is absurd to say that sacrifices are no longer necessary - open the Bible and see that the law prescribes sacrifices for the Israelites, and Jesus never abolished this law. If you think otherwise, then probably you do not understand God, and there is a significant flaw in your theory of the atonement of all by the Sacrifice of Jesus.
The material Temple is needed for carnal believers. For the saints, the city of Yahweh Shammah will be built, in this city, as in the Heavenly Jerusalem, there will be no Temple. Yahweh Shammah will be an earthly, material projection of the Heavenly Jerusalem. In this city there will be no money, nothing will be bought and sold, there will be no religious structures of overseers, bishops - everything will be done by volunteers from the tribes of Israel. The spiritual will prefer this city. But the Temple will remain for all Jews, both carnal and spiritual.
Those who do not sin will have no need to bring sacrifices for sin. The main type of sacrifice in the Third Temple will be peace offerings. This will be the eternal wedding feast of the people of God in the House of the Father.
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You have been "Clearly Shown" that the descriptions seen in Ezekiel Chapters 47 & 48 is the very same descriptions seen in Revelation 22:1-2 in the eternal New Jerusalem
1.) We see the river and tree of life, fruit on the tree, leaves for healing/medicine in both accounts?
2.) We see the gates of the city having the names of the 12 tribes of Israel in both accounts?
Conclusion: Ezekiel Chapters 47 & 48 is exactly the same place as Revelation 22:1-2, in describing the eternal New Jerusalem, its simple for those not hindered by a pre-determined biased belief that a temporary kingdom on earth is seen, in complete disregard of the eternal river and tree of life
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Eternal "New Jerusalem"
Ezekiel 48:31KJV
31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.
Revelation 21:12KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
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Your body isn't in Heaven.
So, during the Rapture, the born again will get a new body when they Meet the Lord, and are "changed in the twinkling of an Eye"
When our dead body that is "corruptible" shall "all be changed", and the born again shall put on a NEW BODY that is "incorruptible"... and finally we are totally "conformed into the Image of Christ", as we were pre-destined to become once we were born again "IN Christ".
Its soon to happen.... Reader.
Very soon.
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This change will only happen to the members of the Philadelphia Church of Revelation, because it is in these people, men and women, who will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple built in the Judean Desert, that Jesus Christ will be incarnated at the Second Coming. This will be the appearance of the Bridegroom. And the 5 wise virgins are part of the other 5 churches of Revelation, which after some time, after the 6th vial of wrath, will make aliyah to Israel to the Bridegroom.
This change will not change the external material part of the bodies in any way, but as a "birth from above" it will change the spiritual essence of those who entered the eastern gate. They will become equal to God.
This will happen only to those who are already in heaven. Because from there, from heaven, the Lord God will descend to earth in our bodies:
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
the Lord himself shall descend from heaven - In order to come down from heaven, you have to be there first, right?
I find it interesting that the English Bible says this is going to happen under President Trump:
Trump of God
Therefore, it seems realistic to me that we will be able to build the Third Temple by September 23, 2025. Then the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel will appear by October 3, 2026, and all the prophecies - about 2300 evenings and mornings, about 1290 days, about 1335 days, and about the last week of Daniel, will be fulfilled.
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I Strongly Disagree With Your Claims
Ezekiel Chapters 47 & 48 and Revelation 22:1-2 is exactly the same place, the Eternal Kingdom
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
(The Eternal Kingdom)
Eternal "New Jerusalem"
Ezekiel 48:31KJV
31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.
Revelation 21:12KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
(Colossians 1:26,27)
mystery ... which is Christ in you
Behold
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The Bride of Christ, is all the born again, and each of them will receive their new body, in the Rapture.
This is very soon.
Behold
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The "Church" is not waiting for the 2nd Advent. They are waiting for the end of the "time of the Gentiles' that will find the born again in the Rapture, receiving their New Body.
This is very soon.
Revelation, like the first chapter of Genesis, shows the inner world of man:
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
he hath set the world in their heart - It speaks about the creation of the inner world in a person.
At the beginning of Genesis, "light" is not photons, but the Torah, the Teaching from God:
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: (Proverbs 6:23)
The beginning of the book of Genesis paints a picture of Adam's inner world. This world will be destroyed by the events of the Second Coming of Christ.
And in Ezekiel, in chapters 40-48, the material world is shown. There is a correspondence between the material and the spiritual, as between a thing and its reverse side. But the "reverse side" is not visible to those living in the flesh, it can only be shown in visions, as John saw. And the material side will be materialized in Israel, in the construction of the Third Temple and in the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah.
For example, there is a correspondence between the 13 real kinds of trees listed in the Old Testament and the 13 fruits of the spirit listed in the New Testament:
"fig tree", the Tree of Knowledge, fruit - righteousness;
"grapes", fruit - joy in the Holy Spirit;
"apple tree", fruit - love;
"olive", fruit - faith (faithfulness to God);
"date palm", fruit - holiness;
"etrog", "citron", fruit - goodness;
"orange", fruit - truth;
"pomegranate", fruit - abstinence;
"mulberry tree", fruit - peace;
"myrtle", fruit - mercy;
"almond", fruit - longsuffering;
"willow", fruit - meekness;
"walnut", fruit - wisdom.
Ezekiel shows earthly trees. John shows spiritual trees that bear the fruits of the spirit.
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