The sacrifice of Jesus....revisited
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we apply his sacrifice by faith, yes, but how does God apply it?...the blood thing ieI'd say, through faith. He poured His out to take our sins away, a one time only occurrence, and the LAST sacrifice. He ain't going to do it again. And, can you imagine how very bloody these over and over sacrifices of bulls and goats was? Man, they sprinkled it over everything!, including the people...ick.
I don't see HOW this is done, but through faith
Bob Estey
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I already told you: Satan would be able to torture us forever, had Jesus not died for our sins. Jesus had never sinned, so when Satan had Jesus murdered, Satan lost his credibility.
Bob Estey
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And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 RSV
The 'him' referred to there, Bob, is not Satan. Read Revelation 20 (among other passages). The unrepentant suffer the same fate as a result of the final Judgment as Satan, following him into eternal damnation. It's a terrifying truth, but truth nonetheless.
Grace and peace to you.
What we all should do, quietthinker, is substitute 'life' for 'blood,' here (and we are not somehow "changing Scripture" by doing so). Saving faith is itself the gift of God, so I would rather say that God applies Christ's sacrifice to those whome He calls and justifies through faith.
To your question, though, it should be sufficient merely (<chuckle>... it's no mere thing) to say that He does it ~ Christ is God made man, after all ~ to satisfy His own justice, because, as John 3:16 says, He so loved the world.
Does this answer your question? Or are you driving at something else?
Grace and peace to you.
Bob Estey
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Hell is the unpleasant consequence of our sin. It would go on forever, but Jesus died to save us from that. You seem not to believe that. I waiting to hear you tell me why Jesus died for our sins, or if you even believe he did.
Satan doesn't torture people in hell. The bible makes it clear hell is a place that tortures spirits, including Satan.
Slaying of the innocent Before forgiveness ?
No. The “innocent” does not require forgiveness.
Sacrifice is the difference between What you HAVE and What you DO with What you HAVE.
Are you Willingly to Give it away....what you have...IS a <—-> Sacrifice
Are you Not willing to Give it away...what you have..IS NOT<-> a Sacrifice.
Mankind HAS BLOOD.
BLOOD IS mankind’s natural life.
A man GIVING His BLOOD, ie His Life, TO something else, IS a Sacrifice.
Bob Estey
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Justice! hmmmm, God's justice?....does it differ from mans justice....I would say yes, but how?
could it be that God becoming a man was a sacrifice?.....and in blindness and ingratitude we murdered him.
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