The sacrifice of Jesus....revisited

[Daniel L.]

Does God require a sacrifice as in the slaying of an innocent before he will forgive?

No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood ? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins agains the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.

how do we understand sacrifice?

CHRIST CHOSE TO BECOME THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

 

[Enoch111]

Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil

And you are a fool for attacking the sacrifice of Christ by misquoting a mishmash of Scriptures. Why are you identifying yourself falsely as a "Christian"?

 

[Daniel L.]

you are a fool

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Why are you identifying yourself falsely as a "Christian"?

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

 

[Nancy]

How do you figure?

Hi Bob,
Satan will have ZERO power in Hell, he will be just as wretched as the rest who go there with him. Some think that he will have some kind of "kingly" type power over those who are also there...I don't think so.

 

[Nancy]

No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood ? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins agains the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.




1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

Hi Daniel and welcome to C.B.
Yes it will did and still does, "increase the condemnation." Good post.

 

[Bob Estey]

Hi Bob,
Satan will have ZERO power in Hell, he will be just as wretched as the rest who go there with him. Some think that he will have some kind of "kingly" type power over those who are also there...I don't think so.

I'm wondering, then, why the Bible even mentions Satan.

 

[GISMYS_7]

I'm wondering, then, why the Bible even mentions Satan.

God wants believers to know who and what their enemy is satan and how he will soon be cast into the eternal lake of fire.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, it is.

Nope. And when asked to back your claim up with scripture, all you point to is Matthew 10:28, which says something very different than ~ even opposite of ~ what you suppose, as demonstrated. So yeah, no, it isn’t. Again, so be it.

Grace and peace.

 

[PinSeeker]

I'm wondering, then, why the Bible even mentions Satan.

LOL! You probably are…. My goodness.

Grace and peace to you, Bob.

 

[Bob Estey]

God wants believers to know who and what their enemy is satan and how he will soon be cast into the eternal lake of fire.

How is he your enemy if he can't hurt you?

 

[Bob Estey]

Nope. And when asked to back your claim up with scripture, all you point to is Matthew 10:28, which says something very different than ~ even opposite of ~ what you suppose, as demonstrated. So yeah, no, it isn’t. Again, so be it.

Grace and peace.

Yep.

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL! You probably are…. My goodness.

Grace and peace to you, Bob.

The reason the Bible mentions Satan is the harm he can do. Look what he did to Job. And if he could, he'd torture us forever for each sin we committed.

He can't do that, though, because a man without sin, Jesus, was murdered by Satan. That is to say, Satan influenced his followers to murder Jesus. Because Jesus was without sin, and because Satan had Jesus murdered, Satan lost his credibility. He no longer has the power to torture us.

However, that doesn't mean we have bliss ever after. The Lord wants us to stop sinning. He commanded us to repent (Matthew 4:17). (People get around this by redefining the word "repent" so they don't have to stop sinning. The good news is that if we DO repent, we have bliss (Matthew 4:17). And who says we have to wait till we die to have that bliss?

Some people read the Bible and think they know everything, when reading the Bible is only the beginning of their education.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yep.

Nope. Yet again, when asked to back your claim up with scripture, all you point to is Matthew 10:28, which says something very different than ~ even opposite of ~ what you suppose, as demonstrated. So yeah, nope.

The obstinance is strong with this one...

The reason the Bible mentions Satan is the harm he can do. Look what he did to Job.

Among other things, yes, agreed. The rest... ugh. I say we leave it at that.

Grace and peace to you.[/QUOTE]

 

[kcnalp]

How do you figure?

Are you a Copeland follower? "Satan would be able to torture us forever," sounds like something he would say.

 

[Bob Estey]

Are you a Copeland follower? "Satan would be able to torture us forever," sounds like something he would say.

No, I follow Jesus Christ.

 

[kcnalp]

No, I follow Jesus Christ.

"Satan would be able to torture us forever", is something like Copeland would say.