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Featured The Sixth Seal: The next Prophesied event

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  1. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    The next Prophesied event that the world will experience will be the Sixth Seal. Revelation 6:12-17 Proved by how the first Five Seals were opened at Jesus’ Ascent to heaven. Revelation 6:1-11 All those things have happened, we have experienced wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters aplenty. Any more of those and humankind would have been wiped out.
    The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, of cosmic and earthly events; graphically prophesied in the Bible over 100 times, will cause the earth to shudder and shake, and move out of her place....Isaiah 13:13, Isaiah 24:19-20, Revelation 6:14

    It will be just a one Day event, as the Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface, that the Lord will instigate, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, will quickly pass; travelling at 3.5 million mph. But the strike onto the earth of a multi billion ton mass, of superheated Hydrogen plasma, will literally cause all the prophesied effects of the virtual depopulation of all the Middle East region, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Isaiah 13:9, Isaiah 66:17, and worldwide devastation.
    It won't affect the daily rotation of the earth, ask any scientist to tell you how totally destructive a sudden change to the earths spin would be.

    What it will do is speed up the earth’s orbit by pushing the earth as it moves now at 66,000 mph on its orbital track. Just imagine it; a mass approaching a fast moving object, some may initially hit direct, then the main mass; pressing on the trailing side. This will speed up our 365.24 day year to a 360 day year.
    Making the time periods as given by Daniel and Revelation fit exactly!

    Regarding the darkness on that Day: Amos 5:18-20, Joel 2:31,
    The sun will be obscured by the approaching mass, then when it has passed, there will be smoke and ash clouds for possibly months. Isaiah 60:2


    The effects of the earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. plus the moon shining bright red and the earths atmosphere being pushed aside, are what a massive CME can and will cause.

    Because this will be a seemingly natural disaster, those who disbelieve in God, will continue in their disbelief and when the Leader of the One World Govt demands worship of him, they will be happy to do so. Revelation 13:8
     
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    Even though the sixth seal comes before the seventh chronologically, for whatever reason the events of the sixth seal follow those of the seventh seal (which corresponds to the Great Tribulation which is in the future).

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (Mt 24:29)
     
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    I agree that the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls are the great Tribulation that will occur during the final 3 1/2 years of this age.
    But to shuffle the Sixth Seal into the Return, is error and constitutes an adding to and a taking away of Revelation. Not advisable!

    But the Matthew 24:29 prophecy says: The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, stars will fall and the heavenly powers will be shaken.
    Whereas the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17 says: ….the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the moon red as blood. The stars [asters; in Greek, meaning - I believe all our satellites] will fall like ripe figs and the sky will roll up like a scroll and every mountain and island will move from their place. [tectonic plate movement]

    Two different events, at different times. The 'stars' falling at the Return may be a meteor shower, as we often experience. And the 'heavenly powers' do not affect the earth.
    The Sixth Seal is the event that will commence the end times. The Anti-Christ does not rise from the world as it is at present. There has to be a disaster to make the nations relinquish their sovereignty. That worldwide disaster will be the Sixth Seal event, comprehensively prophesied throughout the Bible as a Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
     
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    I don't see it since John starts off by saying what he writes is in the future.
     
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    Well take a closer look at what is in Revelation 6 and what is in the Olivet Discourse. They are an exact match, but everything is after the 7th seal.

    REVELATION 6
    And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was
    (1) a great earthquake;
    (2) and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
    (3) and the moon became as blood;
    (4) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    (5) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
    (6) and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    THE OLIVET DISCOURSE (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21)
    Immediately after the tribulation of those days... But in those days, after that tribulation...
    (1) shall the sun be darkened... the sun shall be darkened...And there shall be signs in the sun
    (2) and the moon shall not give her light... and the moon shall not give her light...and in the moon
    (3) and the stars shall fall from heaven... And the stars of heaven shall fall...and in the stars
    (4) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken...
    and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken
    (5) and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity
    (6) the sea and the waves roaring
    (7) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth
     
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    Just a small point of correction, the Greek word G:4579, seismos is better understood to have the meaning of "turmoil" rather than Earthquake, but once you introduce the error into our English translations we are stuck with the error and consequently the wrong understanding.

    When there is turmoil in the world, it is speaking of war and within todays present methodologies employed in war, the sky does turn black, the sun has difficulties penetrating the atmosphere of the battle field and the moon does shine a dull red when it can be seen.

    But keep looking for your earthquakes, because you will not find them occurring in the unfolding end times. But wars and rumours of wars will be the catch cry of the watchers waiting for the ground to shake violently.

    Shalom
     
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    It is you who is trying to introduce an error where none exists, while failing to inform the reader that seismos can mean several things, depending on the context. And then presenting an erroneous meaning.

    Thayer's Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 4578: σεισμός (seismos)

    σεισμός, σεισμοῦ, ὁ (σείω), a shaking, a commotions: ἐν τῇ θαλάσσῃ, a tempest, Matthew 8:24; as often in Greek writings from (Herodotus 4, 28),Sophocles, Aristophanes down, pre-eminently an earthquake: Matthew 24:7; Matthew 27:54; Matthew 28:2; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:11; Acts 16:26; Revelation 6:12;Revelation 8:5; Revelation 11:13, 19; Revelation 16:15; the Sept. for רַעַשׁ.

    So Thayer's has correctly pointed out that in the Olivet discourse, as well as in Revelation 6 and 11, it is actual earthquakes [bolded references above], and NOT turmoil or commotion (which would be ABSURD).

    All that is described in Revelation 6 and in the Olivet Discourse pertains to actual LITERAL cataclysmic supernatural disasters brought about by God.
     
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    The wars, famines and plagues WERE in John's future.
    They HAVE occurred and each of those things have killed many millions of people and still continue to do so.

    Thinking the first four Seals still await opening, is quite wrong, proved by the Fifth Seal, which is about all the Christian martyrs since Stephen. Their number will only be completed at the Return of Jesus.
    BUT THEY ARE NOT an 'exact match'!
    There is a whole bunch of differences, the state of the moon is glaringly different.

    The idea of the Sixth Seal happening at Jesus' Return is false. It will happen in the sequence given. Why not?
     
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    Here's the proof that they are an exact match.
    REVELATION 6
    (4) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [MAXIMUM DETAIL]

    OLIVET DISCOURSE
    (3) and the stars shall fall from heaven... And the stars of heaven shall fall...and in the stars [MINIMUM DETAIL]

    Do you really think that there could not be slight differences in how things are described? The sun, moon, stars, and the heavens are all represented in both. There are additional details here and there (which is to be expected).
     
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    Im thinking 5 is next

    555 satan kicked out of heaven
    666 satan appears as the antchrist
    and
    777 Christ returns
     
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    A CME to speed the spin of the world up. My goodness. Now I really have heard everything.
     
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    I have wondered if these things haven't started happening already, awhile back the seas in Florida turned red as blood, and all the sea life washing up dead, does anyone remember this happening?

    That is part of the seven seals, the seas turning red as blood and all the life in it washing up dead.
     
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    I thought you meant they were all finished by the time of Jesus' ascension, "Proved by how the first Five Seals were opened at Jesus’ Ascent to heaven."

    Why the long delay then when John says the things in the book would come to pass shortly?
     
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    You are welcome to accept Thayer's Greek Lexion, but is his Lexion always right particularly when he mad the following claim? In February 1891 Thayer published a lecture in which he expressed disagreement with the position of Biblical inerrancy, asserting that his own acceptance of various errors of history and science in the Bible did not materially detract from his belief in the overall soundness of Christianity.

    Below are all of the occurrences where G:4578 are found in the NT with the substitution of turmoil in all the relevant places where the Greek Root is found in the NT: -


    Matt 8:24: - 24 And suddenly a great tempest/great turmoil arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep.

    Matt 24:7: - 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes/turmoils in various places.

    Matt 27:54: - 54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake/turmoil and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, "Truly this was the Son of God!"

    Matt 28:2: - 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake/great turmoil; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.

    Mark 13:8: - 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes/turmoil in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

    Luke 21:11: - 11 And there will be great earthquakes/turmoil in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.

    Acts 16:26 - 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake so/great turmoil, such that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were loosed.

    Rev 6:12: - 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake/great turmoil; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

    Rev 8:5: - 5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake/turmoil.

    Rev 11:13: - 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake/great turmoil, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake/turmoil seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    Rev 11:17: - 19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake/turmoil, and great hail.

    Rev 16:18: - 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake/great turmoil, such a mighty and great earthquake/turmoil as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

    After considering the above occurrences, I saw no reason to use the word "earthquake" in the above verses and that "turmoil" described every case where G:4578 was used.

    Now if you can show that my paraphrasing above is wrong in every case, there I will listen to you, but you have shown that you have not question the validity of the translations of G:4578 and asked the question, are earthquakes being described or does "turmoil" in Matt 8:24 fit the context of what was happening while Jesus was a sleep in the boat better as the wind was not the issue but the standing waves were which were buffering the boat were. In other words the sea was in turmoil.

    Perhaps you would like to do your research a little carefully.

    Shalom
     
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    All things happen in God's good timing.
    Those things are natural occurrence's, of no prophetic importance whatsoever.
    Not the spin - the orbital track around the sun will speed up from 66,000 mph to about 67,200 mph, giving us a 360 day year. Not noticeable to us, just the shaking as prophesied; when it happens. Isaiah 13:13
    This is physically possible, if you cared to research what the effect of a multi billion ton mass striking the earth would be.
    I can only think you have some kind of cognitive disability.
    On the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, the moon will shine bright red.
    On the Day Jesus Returns, the moon will be darkened.
    OK?
     
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    Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    If we can't believe the first verse, why bother reading the rest of the book?
     
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    This is one of those situations like the coming of Christ 2000 years ago, which if one were to say that those seemingly small events of that day was the apex of all human history, they would be scoffed at.

    So, scoff away. But what was describe was not "cosmic", it was spiritual...and if you have not seen it already--you are looking in the wrong place.
     
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    Yes.

    Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
    21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
     
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    Of, of course. Now it all makes sense.
    You do understand, don't you, that such phrases that we see in Is 13:13 are most often used symbolically to describe massive shifts in world powers. The downfall of nations, for example.
    But sure, I'm equally sure your scenario might happen too. Might make a good movie...sounds like one.
     
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    Isaiah 13:12-13 I shall make humans scarcer than fine gold...… I shall make the heavens and the earth shake and shudder and the earth will move out of her place, at the wrath of the Lord of Hosts, in the Day of His blazing anger.
    This prophecy tells about actual humans, actual heavens and earth, a real dislocation of the earth and a forthcoming Day when the Lord will arise and strike the world with fire. Isaiah 33:10-12, Psalms 7:6 & 12-16, +

    Symbolic? Even if it was, it is surely talking about a dramatic event; far more that a fall of empires.

    Movie? Even Nicholas Cage might pass on this one; too hot for him to handle.
     
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