The Spiritual Function of the Prophets have ceased !

[ChristisGod]

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Ephesians 3:5
which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

The church has been ( PAST ) built upon the FOUNDATION of both the Apostles and Prophets. The foundation has been laid and completed. There are no more Apostles and Prophets bringing new Revelations from God by Miracles, signs and wonders predicting the future and speaking for God today. Those functions have ceased with the passing of John the last Prophet and Apostle who gave us the book of prophecy- the Revelations.

Are there true prophets today? If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Do not be fooled by anyone claiming to be an Apostle or Prophet sent by God. You know immediately they are false prophets and apostles. Paul, Peter, Jude and John warn us about all of the false apostles and prophets who would come after them to deceive many.

 

[ChristisGod]

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
20. Translate as Greek, "Built up upon," &c. (participle; having been built up upon; omit, therefore, "and are"). Compare 1Co 3:11, 12. The same image in Eph 3:18, recurs in his address to the Ephesian elders (Ac 20:32), and in his Epistle to Timothy at Ephesus (1Ti 3:15; 2Ti 2:19), naturally suggested by the splendid architecture of Diana's temple; the glory of the Christian temple is eternal and real, not mere idolatrous gaud. The image of a building is appropriate also to the Jew-Christians; as the temple at Jerusalem was the stronghold of Judaism; as Diana's temple, of paganism.

foundation of the apostles, &c.—that is, upon their ministry and living example (compare Mt 16:18). Christ Himself, the only true Foundation, was the grand subject of their ministry, and spring of their life. As one with Him and His fellow workers, they, too, in a secondary sense, are called "foundations" (Re 21:14). The "prophets" are joined with them closely; for the expression is here not "foundations of the apostles and the prophets," but "foundations of the apostles and prophets." For the doctrine of both was essentially one (1Pe 1:10, 11; Re 19:10). The apostles take the precedency (Lu 10:24). Thus he appropriately shows regard to the claims of the Jews and Gentiles: "the prophets" representing the old Jewish dispensation, "the apostles" the new. The "prophets" of the new also are included. Bengel and Alford refer the meaning solely to these (Eph 3:5; 4:11). These passages imply, I think, that the New Testament prophets are not excluded; but the apostle's plain reference to Ps 118:22, "the head stone of the corner," proves that the Old Testament prophets are a prominent thought. David is called a "prophet" in Ac 2:30. Compare also Isa 28:16; another prophet present to the mind of Paul, which prophecy leans on the earlier one of Jacob (Ge 49:24). The sense of the context, too, suits this: Ye were once aliens from the commonwealth of Israel (in the time of her Old Testament prophets), but now ye are members of the true Israel, built upon the foundation of her New Testament apostles and Old Testament prophets. Paul continually identifies his teaching with that of Israel's old prophets (Ac 26:22; 28:23). The costly foundation-stones of the temple (1Ki 5:17) typified the same truth (compare Jer 51:26). The same stone is at once the corner-stone and the foundation-stone on which the whole building rests. Paul supposes a stone or rock so large and so fashioned as to be both at once; supporting the whole as the foundation, and in part rising up at the extremities, so as to admit of the side walls meeting in it, and being united in it as the corner-stone [Zanchius]. As the corner-stone, it is conspicuous, as was Christ (1Pe 2:6), and coming in men's way may be stumbled over, as the Jews did at Christ (Mt 21:42; 1Pe 2:7).

 

[marks]

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

The church has been ( PAST ) built upon the FOUNDATION of both the Apostles and Prophets. The foundation has been laid and completed. There are no more Apostles and Prophets bringing new Revelations from God by Miracles, signs and wonders predicting the future and speaking for God today. Those functions have ceased with the passing of John the last Prophet and Apostle who gave us the book of prophecy- the Revelations.

Are there true prophets today? If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Do not be fooled by anyone claiming to be an Apostle or Prophet sent by God. You know immediately they are false prophets and apostles. Paul, Peter, Jude and John warn us about all of the false apostles and prophets who would come after them to deceive many.

Are you fully cessationist?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Are you fully cessationist?

Much love!

The role of an Apostle/Prophet have nothing to do with cessationism. It has to do with Gods oradining of the church's foundation that has already been laid 2000 years ago. Just like Christs work has been finished and His foundation laid 2000 years ago so to are the roles of the Apostles/Prophets past. You are conflating the gifts of the spirit and cessationism with the appointed office of the Apostle/ Prophet.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

You are conflating the gifts of the spirit and cessationism with the appointed office of the Apostle/ Prophet.

Did you have a question you wanted to ask me?

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I was asking if you were fully cessationist, that is, no more Apostles/Prophets/Evangelists/Shepherd Teachers/Signs and Wonders/Ministry gifts, more like that.

Some don't believe any of these are for today, and I'm wonding if that describes you. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Did you have a question you wanted to ask me?

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I was asking if you were fully cessationist, that is, no more Apostles/Prophets/Evangelists/Shepherd Teachers/Signs and Wonders/Ministry gifts, more like that.

Some don't believe any of these are for today, and I'm wonding if that describes you. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Much love!

Like the thread states on the OP- the role and foundation of the prophet and apostles no longer exist . The foundation is past and laid 2000 years ago . No more adding to the foundation . No more revelation . It’s completed , our Bible is sufficient for everything . The Holy Spirit indwelling believers and His word which it truth abiding in us gives us everything we need as the Bible says pertaining to godliness / holiness .

Hope this helps !!!

 

[ScottA]

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Ephesians 3:5
which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

The church has been ( PAST ) built upon the FOUNDATION of both the Apostles and Prophets. The foundation has been laid and completed. There are no more Apostles and Prophets bringing new Revelations from God by Miracles, signs and wonders predicting the future and speaking for God today. Those functions have ceased with the passing of John the last Prophet and Apostle who gave us the book of prophecy- the Revelations.

Are there true prophets today? If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Do not be fooled by anyone claiming to be an Apostle or Prophet sent by God. You know immediately they are false prophets and apostles. Paul, Peter, Jude and John warn us about all of the false apostles and prophets who would come after them to deceive many.

Zechariah 4:9​

“The hands of Zerubbabel Have laid the foundation of this temple; His hands shall also finish it. Then you will know That the Lord of hosts has sent me to you.​

 

[ChristisGod]

Zechariah 4:9​

“The hands of Zerubbabel Have laid the foundation of this temple; His hands shall also finish it. Then you will know That the Lord of hosts has sent me to you.​

We are taking about the NT foundation laid by the apostles and prophets . Try and stay focused on the topic.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

Hope this helps !!!

It will help you from me bothering you on your thread.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

It will help you from me bothering you on your thread.

Much love!

Not sure what this means .

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I understand things differently: yes Christ’s church is built upon Prophets and Apsotles. But that doesn’t stop- it keeps building on that same foundation. Unchanging. Not stopping. There’s no verse where it says “and from now on there shall never be anyone more prophets and Apostles”.

 

[ScottA]

We are taking about the NT foundation laid by the apostles and prophets . Try and stay focused on the topic.

hope this helps !!!

On the contrary, I have focused the topic to its base.

Do you deny that the temple of stone points in much detail to the Temple of Christ, which is laid of the same stones from the foundation to the eaves?

 

[ChristisGod]

I understand things differently: yes Christ’s church is built upon Prophets and Apsotles. But that doesn’t stop- it keeps building on that same foundation. Unchanging. Not stopping. There’s no verse where it says “and from now on there shall never be anyone more prophets and Apostles”.

Christ chose 12 apostles .

Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

The 12 foundations are the 12 Apostles. No more no less.

hope this helps !!!

 

[David H.]

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Ephesians 3:5
which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

The church has been ( PAST ) built upon the FOUNDATION of both the Apostles and Prophets. The foundation has been laid and completed. There are no more Apostles and Prophets bringing new Revelations from God by Miracles, signs and wonders predicting the future and speaking for God today. Those functions have ceased with the passing of John the last Prophet and Apostle who gave us the book of prophecy- the Revelations.

Are there true prophets today? If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Do not be fooled by anyone claiming to be an Apostle or Prophet sent by God. You know immediately they are false prophets and apostles. Paul, Peter, Jude and John warn us about all of the false apostles and prophets who would come after them to deceive many.

So God does not send out people into the ministry, because that is literally what an apostle means, sent ones. And he does not Speak to His People anymore, because that is what a prophet does, He hears the Word of the LORD and speaks those words. Must be a sad existence not hearing the voice of God and being able to respond to His calling, that sounds to me like dead faith, akin to deism. This is what happens when the scribe takes over the religion. I Have often quoted the following passage from Tozer to people like you to show you what you are promoting....

Falls Victim to Its Virtues


What is generally overlooked is that Fundamentalism, as it spread throughout the various denominations and nondenominational groups, fell victim to its own virtues. The Word died in the hands of its friends. ... An unofficial hierarchy decided what Christians were to believe. Not the Scriptures, but what the scribe thought the Scriptures meant became the Christian creed. Christian colleges, seminaries, Bible institutes, Bible conferences, popular Bible expositors all joined to promote the cult of textualism. The system of extreme dispensationalism which was devised, relieved the Christian of repentance, obedience and cross-carrying in any other than the most formal sense. Whole sections of the New Testament were taken from the church and disposed of after a rigid system of dividing the Word of truth.

All this resulted in a religious mentality inimical to the true faith of Christ. ... The basic doctrines of the Bible were there, but the climate was just not favorable to the sweet fruits of the Spirit.

The whole mood was different from that of the Early Church and of the great souls who suffered and sang and worshiped in the centuries past. The doctrines were sound but something vital was missing. The tree of correct doctrine was never allowed to blossom. The voice of the turtle [dove] was rarely heard in the land".... Faith, a mighty, vitalizing doctrine in the mouths of the apostles, became in the mouth of the scribe another thing altogether and power went from it. As the letter triumphed, the Spirit withdrew and textualism ruled supreme....

In the interest of accuracy it should be said that this was a general condition only. Certainly there were some even in those low times whose longing hearts were better theologians than their teachers were. These pressed on to a fullness and power unknown to the rest. But they were not many and the odds were too great" they could not dispel the mist that hung over the land.

The error of textualism is not doctrinal. It is far more subtle than that and much more difficult to discover, but its effects are just as deadly. Not its theological beliefs are at fault, but its assumptions.

It assumes, for instance, that if we have the word for a thing we have the thing itself. If it is in the Bible, it is in us. If we have the doctrine, we have the experience. If something was true of Paul it is of necessity true of us because we accept Paul's epistles as divinely inspired. The Bible tells us how to be saved, but textualism goes on to make it tell us that we are saved, something which in the very nature of things it cannot do. Assurance of individual salvation is thus no more than a logical conclusion drawn from doctrinal premises, and the resultant experience wholly mental.

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[Jane_Doe22]

Christ chose 12 apostles .

Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

The 12 foundations are the 12 Apostles. No more no less.

hope this helps !!!

And what about Matthias whom was selected after Jesus & Judas both left?
And how about Paul?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.” (Psalms 74:9)

But of course there were more prophets later…

And we test the prophets by this:

“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:22)

 

[St. SteVen]

You are conflating the gifts of the spirit and cessationism with the appointed office of the Apostle/ Prophet.

What is the office of Prophet in your understanding? Preaching? - LOL

 

[ChristisGod]

What is the office of Prophet in your understanding? Preaching? - LOL

It’s explained in the OP.

 

[St. SteVen]

No more adding to the foundation .

God no longer speaks? Tragic.

 

[St. SteVen]

It’s explained in the OP.

What is your definition of prophecy?

1 Corinthians 14:3 NIV
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.