Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. Don't act like you speak for Jesus. You absolutely do not. I believe Him. I don't believe you. The description of the third woe/seventh trumpet is found in Revelation 11:15-18.
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Spiritual Israelite
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LOL! You crack me up incessantly, Douggg. I didn't ask you if you think the first, second and third woes were fulfilled yet. I asked if you think the first woe will be literally past (fulfilled) when Revelation 9:1-11 is fulfilled?
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No, it means it is an already fulfilled event in the context of the passage. It does not mean explained already.
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Yet the bible says nothing about any of this. It's pure eisegesis.
All the bible speaks of regarding end time prophecy is the last trump and 7 trumps, the 7th being the last of them. There are zero other trumps mentioned and not the feast of trumps.
I don't see the word "woe" mentioned anywhere as it was for the 1st and second. If everything ended at exactly that point then everything after is what? A waste of space and words, just mere babblings? Do you understand what speaking forward in faith means? I have eternal life now, do you?
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Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Sorry, but there are literally hundreds of scriptures that speak about end time prophecy in both the NT and OT, and Rev. isn't even the major part, it just happens to be the last part and you have to study them all and try to find out how they align w/ each other. Otherwise, if you use Rev. as your "only" source, everything will be out of context to what bible teaches regarding the 'whole" of prophecy.
In following, the way the scriptures are written, Rev. 9:12, one woe is past and behold there come two woes more, then your Rev. 11:14 then logically the next and last time a woe is mentioned it would be the third, Rev. 12:12. I don't know why you can't see that.
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I said "all the bible".
Literally nothing in the bible says anything about the second coming and the feast of trumpets. It has no place in the discussion. The only last trump is the 7th trump regarding any end times prophecy of Christ's return.
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The 3rd woe/7th trump is found in Rev 11, not Rev 12.
That's your opinion, but the bible disagrees. One shouldn't make up things just because they want them to be true. There is way more to Rev. 11 and the way you are reading it is out of context. In Rev. 11:18, the phrase "is come" is used and it is in the same present/future tense as it is in Rev. 6:17 and Rev. 14:7, 15. In none of them is it speaking of that very moment, just that the timing is very soon, on the precipice, so to speak.
If you really think that the feasts have nothing to do w/ the end times and bible prophecy, you still have a whole lot of learning to do.
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I appreciate your attempts on this chart. However, there are two areas I disagree with (which may lead to more down the line).
1. The timeline of GT is clearly described in several places: 42 months, 1260 days, 1290 days, "time, times and 1/2 of time". It's 3.5 years.
2. The seven months of burying dead bodies comes after the GT _ in the Millennial Kingdom.
The Valley of Meggido is about 147 square miles. Given the description of "blood up to a horses bridle for 1600 stadia", describes death, dead bodies, tens of millions. If they made that a huge cemetery, they could bury tens of millions. But to imagine that large of a military force _ boots on the ground _ coming at Israel _ through that corridor is a stretch. SO, IN Rev. 9:16, an army of 200 million marching could be literally men left on earth warring against Christ, but not gathered in that one area crossing over the dried up Euphrates. It is likely a worldwide figure of those left alive by the end of the GT who have the mark of the beast. ???
When during the 7 years does the second woe of a third of mankind killed by a 200,000,000 man army take place ?
The 42 months are during the GT
The 1290 days are during the GT
The time, times, half times are during the GT
A portion of the 1260 days is during the GT.
The GT will last 1335 days until Jesus returns.
Spiritual Israelite
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You need to just leave the forum for awhile and spend time studying scripture and then come back to us. Because at this point you are just embarrassing yourself repeatedly with your nonsense.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
The fact that you were not even familiar with this verse shows that you are not someone who should be taken seriously.
Spiritual Israelite
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Are you being serious here? Please tell me you're not.
Revelation 8:13 nd I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Can you see here how the three woes are related directly to the last 3 trumpets? That means the third woe relates directly to the seventh trumpet. The events relating to the seventh trumpet/third woe are described in Revelation 11:15-18. Very simple. Tell me why you can't even understand the most simple things?
The seven months of burying Gog's army will be right at the start of the 7 years.
The Revelation 14, blood flowing as deep as horse bridle will be a the end of the 7 years.
What woe number is the Revelation 12:12 "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?
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Spiritual Israelite
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You mean Revelation 12:12. That verse is not related to any of the three woes. Hello? When you interpret scripture in such a way that you think any verses containing similar phrases must be directly related, it leads to all kinds of confusion and contradictions. How can you not understand that? Revelation 8:13 is clear that the three woes relate directly to the last three trumpets. I know you understand that. So, that means the description of events related to the seventh trumpet are also related to the third woe. Very simple. And the description of the seventh trumpet/third woe is found in Revelation 11:15-18, which is undeniable. But, you foolishly deny that, anyway.
Tell me, Douggg, where does it say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in direct relation to a description of events related to the first woe or the second woe? I don't see that anywhere in Revelation 9:1-11 which describes the first woe/fifth trumpet or in Revelation 9:13-21 which describes the second woe/sixth trumpet. So, clearly, the woes can be described without having to contain the phrase "woe to the inhabitants of the earth".
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