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Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by Danube, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Danube

    Danube Active Member

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    Is being pushed like mad!
     

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    ....is unbelief
     
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    The unforgivable sin is when one hardens the heart so much they can no longer hear the Holy Spirit attempting to talk to them.

    A sinner who can no longer hear the Holy Spirit is doomed because there's no hope left for them.
     
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    Danube Active Member

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    The bible teaches us that only man has this spirit that was first given to Adam and can be seen throughout the bible and traced to Israel (the people not the geographical namesake). You CANNOT listen to a spirit that was NEVER there to begin with or are you saying this is a false teaching?
     
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    Danube Active Member

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    I disagree.
    1 Timothy 5:8 shows us that not providing for your own is worse than an unbeliever, so the unforgivable sin is much worse than simply unbelief which can be forgiven and even put right by prayer and keeping the commandments (growing with Christ also means the same).
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The author of that article you have referenced calls *race-mixing* the unpardonable sin. Which is absolute nonsense.

    It is not very difficult to understand the meaning of the unpardonable sin when we look at the context.

    MATTHEW 12

    JESUS PERFORMED AN AMAZING MIRACLE
    22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

    THE ORDINARY PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGE CHRIST AS MESSIAH
    23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

    BUT THE PHARISEES ATTRIBUTED THIS MIRACLE TO SATAN
    24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

    THEN JESUS REBUKED THE PHARISEES FOR THEIR UNBELIEF
    25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

    JESUS SHOWED THE PHARISEES THE ABSURDITY OF THEIR ACCUSATION
    26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

    THEN JESUS THREW THE ACCUSATION RIGHT BACK AT THE PHARISEES
    27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

    JESUS PROCLAIMED THAT THIS MIRACLE WAS BY GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT
    28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    THE HOLY SPIRIT BINDS SATAN (*THE STRONG MAN*)
    29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

    THOSE WHO REJECT CHRIST ARE HIS ENEMIES
    30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

    THE UNPARDONABLE SIN IS BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT (ATTRIBUTING TO SATAN THE MIRACLES OF GOD)
    31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

    SPEAKING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN
    32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    THE PHARISEES WERE KNOWN BY THEIR CORRUPT FRUITS
    33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

    THE EVIL-SPEAKING PHARISEES WERE DAMNED
    34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
     
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    So basically you hold fast to the false teaching that EVERYONE has the spirit and can therefor hear it or deny it! You cannot hear the truth if there is no truth in you to begin with.
    There are two "fathers" mentioned in the bible. Gen 2:7 (note that God specifically made Adam and gave him his spirit ) & John 8:44 refers the other father who has sired millions of spiritless humans who attack his sheep like ravenous wolves do. You need to look closer at the example you gave regarding fruit (fruit comes from a tree, the tree being the family or kith&kinsman).
    Mis-cege-a-nation : you are either adulterating or purifying, making the tree good or bad! A good tree produces good fruit....so sticking to this reasoning how can a bad tree produce good fruit? So if you have no truth in your heart to begin with how could you possibly hear it to later "deny" it? The answer is you cannot because it was simply never there from the start. First comes the Wheat up from the ground (God seed), then the Tares are sown amongst them by the devil (his own seed).
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    No one in their right mind would arrive at this conclusion from reading my post #6. Quite obviously, the Pharisees did NOT possess the Holy Spirit since they blasphemed the Spirit.
    What truth are you talking about? That article you posted is PURE BALONEY.
     
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    Yet all you offer is personal opinion. Check the scriptures, it is as clear as day that no admixture can even be prayed for because it is a broken vessel that cannot hold or contain Gods holy spirit. It cannot be "undone" either.
    Ask any plant or animal breeder about hereditary laws or why pedigrees must be maintained and set aside from the possibility of admixture.

    Why was Noah chosen by God to build an arc?

    Because he was faultless in his generation!

    Just like Jesus is lineal to Adam.

    Some will not be abel to handle the truth.
    Jer 2:13

    Keeping it simple...

    Good + Good = pure Good.
    Good + Evil = Evil (adulterated/mixed).
    Evil + Evil = pure Evil

    You cannot serve two masters.
    You will love one and despise the other.
    Light and darkness do not mix do they?
     
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    Whoever wrote that article is two sandwiches short of a picnic... And if you believe it, so are you.
     
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    Danube Active Member

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    If you cannot respectfully omit the ad-hominem you always still have the opportunity to state what you believe is wrong with the article, perhaps using scripture?
    Proverbs 27:17
    Thanks, brother?
     
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    Blueberry Well-Known Member

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    C'mon now Enoch111 ;), don't be such a "Churchianity Judeotard".
    Covenant Theology vs. Replacement Theology | Clifton Emahiser's Watchman's Teaching Ministries
    "...wanting to bring all the nonwhite, unclean, race-mixed bipeds (not created by the Almighty) into our Kingdom of Heaven"

    Wow!

    More can be seen at the main website Clifton Emahiser's Watchman's Teaching Ministries. Including streaming Mein Kampf Project broadcasts. A link to Aryan Radio. Articles which titles include the word "Negro". A current article that starts out... "Our Christian Bibles are racial books from beginning to end" On the bottom left is a link to the dot com version where they have a crucifix with a swastika embedded in it. Offers a book "Christ Reich". Titles all use gothic fonts.

    They've taken the Pharisee's blaspheming of the Holy Spirit and made it about the Pharisee's alleged mixed race status.

    So far, 3 out of 3 threads are about this mixed race business. Hmmm, "Danube" isn't that river that flows through Germany. Isn't it a mixture of many different tributaries?

    Oh my.
     
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    When someone can actually, respectfully answer the critique in a way that shows and proves error, using scripture then all you are left with is slandering the man and not the sin.
    Try and state, what, it is that you think is flawed about this article, unless you think you are "unblemished" and can take the log out of your own eye, it seems every opinion tries to take the major premise away just to use a minor premise of name calling. I am only interested in the truth of the article, or more specifically what exactly is " wrong" with the information using scripture, not flawed humanist ideological thinking!
    Everything else is just childish name calling "I dont like his face so he must be wrong" type arguments. By using the same, attacking the author of the bible, do you honestly think the truth somehow changes or God will be mocked by any of us? Please.
    Show us the error, back it up by scripture and at least try and be respectful while doing so.
    The truth does not fear scrutiny.
    Major premise: multiculturalism is flawed
    Minor premise : Danube is indeed a river, in Germany!
     
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    "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matt 12:32

    Nothing about mixing races.
     
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    You mean like referring to people who do not believe the way that you do as "Churchianity Judeotards"??

    Or did you mean yourself calling people (me) "childish"?

    Or would you rather point out to me where I called you a name? Or where I called anybody else a name for that matter?
     
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    Speaketh with actions or words?

    When did I use the phrase "Churchianity Judeotard" ?
    I think you ARE simply being childish and purposefully disrespectful or used to getting away with putting words into peoples mouths. Trying desperately hard to derail someones discussion or you have failed to answer it properly, that is what it looks like to me! Actions do speaketh as James told us in the NT.
     
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    More hypocritical name calling.
     
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    You failed to answer a simple question that only required the comprehension of a child, go back and check and you accused me falsely of saying "Churchianity Judeotard".

    Your job is simply to get this thread locked. Can I ask you then respectfully, have you no thoelogical argument to counter it, which I was hoping (by asking) if you did?

    It is not difficult to understand the fact that God breathed his spirit into Adam, leaving the previous humans created without but still in his "image" so you can read how both families react to eachother. You need to grasp the concepts of "animosity" (animal traits/animated behaviour etc). Then we can discuss this much better.
    To mix the two creates a third creature that the bible clearly states will not hold the same spirit as it has been mixed.
    Matthew 18:3 delivers the concept of keeping things simple so those around us that need to understand these concept can indeed understand them without confusion of complication. A slanging match would only prove your job is to have this thread locked. Can you involve yourself with the substance of the thread topic or are you just "doing your job"?
     
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    Never accused you of it. I gave the link to where the quote came from.
    Covenant Theology vs. Replacement Theology | Clifton Emahiser's Watchman's Teaching Ministries

    I clearly indicated what I accused you of.


    A word. Do you see?



    I'm the liar??

    Okay, bye.
     
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    No so fast!
    I only "see" the word "word" used to describe the blashemy of the mouth or lips but do you automatically interject or "add" the word "word" where it is explaining against the Holy Ghost?
    Nice try, only you have reasoned that what is not specified as being spoken actually is (while it is not even present)!
    It does not say "word" twice though does it?
    You failed to point that part out.
    Where the word "word" is omitted after "speaketh" (which can mean an action also).
     
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