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Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by Danube, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Blueberry

    Blueberry Well-Known Member

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    You done editing or can I reply now?
     
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    Yes please do.
     
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    Danube Active Member

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    I am telling you that you can speaketh by your:

    Action/s (words and "DEEDS").

    Because it was NOT specified as "word" twice, otherwise it would read or be written speaketh a "word" against the Holy Ghost....which it does not say that nor is it written to specify does it?
     
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    Blueberry Well-Known Member

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    It could mean action also. But it is all one long contiguous sentence. What is meant by "speaketh" was already defined. To repeat it again is optional and could be considered redundant.

    "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh (???) against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matt 12:32

    It would be much more of a stretch to insert "action" where "word" had already been defined and used. If the implication was changed, why wouldn't it have been stated so explicitly? Why not say "act-eth" or whatever?

    No, it does not say the word "word" twice, but then neither does it say the word "action" even once.

    You can dispense with all the "not so fast" forum flaming stuff. Nobody is trying to pull anything over on you. You say you don't want to argue then you ask for opinions and once you get them you argue and name call. You are going to fit in nicely here! LOL Unless this pro-racist stuff is all you are interested in?

    So we should believe "not speaketh words against the Son and not speaketh [actions] against the Holy Spirit" is what you contend that this passage intends to say?

    What was it Chuck Missler said... "If we torture the data long enough, we can get it to confess to anything."

    But then don't listen to me because I only have the comprehension of a child.
     
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    See how you pay a compliment with a put-me-down right at the end. Why carry on which you first complain about?
    Anyway.... Let us not spoil a conversation where we both have the possibility of knowing the truth?
    I am glad we both agree that man can speaketh by his actions (children learn early that actions speak louder than words for they have no vocabulary formed and babies are all the wiser) , so what about with the heart, we learn that the desires of man come from his heart not his mouth ie the spoken vow in marriage is the easy part, consumating a marriage or a forbidden union would require an action though. The progeny of which speaketh of the union.
     
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    Deut 23.2 outlines the forbidden union btw..
    I will not accommodate any racial slurs also, I am only interested in the truth of the scriptures first and foremost. I must make that clear now. It is to easy to yolk someone as a racist for wanting to check the scriptures against the traditions if men.
    We (blacks whites etc) are currently experiencing a multi-cultural mode in all lands and nations which before had geographical boundaries but strangely this new phenomenon of mixing what was separated is running hand in hand with the decline of predominantly white Christian demographical areas so how would you advise me to "fit" in with my fellow forum members regarding the knowledge of racial purity (which no one questions other races who seek to preserve theirs as much as the white christian)?
    Am I racist because I ask why the Lord did not create all races the same color, intellect, physically strong etc?
    Why is it so difficult to get "past" other peoples pre-judgements based upon their already threatened freedom of speech?
    I actually would like to see Africans stay looking like Africans, does that make me evil?
     
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    And it is not even white. It's Blue Danube.
     
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    Blueberry Well-Known Member

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    A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Luke 6:45
     
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    Blueberry Well-Known Member

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    I quoted you.
     
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    Good verse! also, 'by their fruits ye shall know them' (Matthew 7.20).
     
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    I really don't know what you mean. I never mentioned anything about never being there.

    The Holy Spirit is everywhere but that doesn't mean everyone listens to him.

    Some people harden our hearts so hard the Holy Spirit simply can't get through to them anymore.
     
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    Royal Blue?

    but your heart made you write that did it not?
     
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    Remember what blasphemy means.

    the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence
     
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    Correct. But would you graft the tree which produces the good fruit with that which produces bad fruit?
    What would the resulting fruit be like of such a union?
    Bon appetit?


    You cannot find truth where there was none to begin with.
     
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    Can you sin against your own body (or temple which houses Gods spirit)?
     
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    I don't get your point here. From the heart comes both words and actions, yes?

    And so we waste less time in the future, I see writing on the internet as "speaking". But then speaking IS an action, yes?
     
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    Since Adam and Eve the Holy Spirit has always been there and he is truth.

    Since Adam and Eve everyone has had law conscience and that is truth.

    At the white throne judgment no one will have the excuse truth was not available to them.
     
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    Yes. Of course. However you wouldn't use the descriptive of "word" where it was not needed or where you actually meant a physical action also.
    Action can come to mean both spoken and physical although you would not use the word "spoken" where you mean "physically made it so" by way of descriptive language, otherwise you purposefully spread confusion

    Where you find truth you will find Adamic man holding fast to it then!
    This is why Timothy stated all verses can be reproved and should be without worry (the truth shall set you free?) also why the Commandment not to add or take from the Law given in the EARLIEST book should offer insight to the possibility that some would seek to have it changed! God has told us he will not test us beyond our comprehension so that way we can know in our own minds. Speading lies is one thing but denying eachother a platform to learn on the basis of such flimsy concepts like "hate speech" just shows the enemies incapability to use the truth to discern what we already feel inwardly. Satan seeks to remove the platform of debate purely because it knows it cannot contain the truth said there in, hence as a society the collective population has a different guide when it comes to what can and cannot be said. Isa 58:1
     
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    "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matt 12:32

    My point exactly.

    The Holy Spirit, the author of the Bible, does not spread confusion.

    I'm out.
     
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    I agree only as far as the same Holy Ghost both warns about this in the first book, also Timothy being guided by the Holy Ghost included my very point also.
    Thanks
     
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