The Virgin Birth

[evotell]

Luke talks about the virgin birth.
Luke 1:30
"Do not be afraid Mary, you have found favor with God"
NASB

Do you suppose Mary would have found favor with God if she had just married Joseph but had children from another man?

Why does this interest you so much?

That's a great question. It interests me because I'm saddened to see millions of people in Christendom who have their faith in a narrative and are fighting each other over the interpretation of that narrative. If God is the author of truth which I believe He is, and has made Himself known through out creation wouldn't it be more realistic to think He wanted all men to come to know HIM, NOT a book written about Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's a great question. It interests me because I'm saddened to see millions of people in Christendom who have their faith in a narrative and are fighting each other over the interpretation of that narrative. If God is the author of truth which I believe He is, and has made Himself known through out creation wouldn't it be more realistic to think He wanted all men to come to know HIM, NOT a book written about Him.

Every born again believer knows Jesus.
Not a book.
We read the book to find out as much as we can about His story.
If we never read it, it would make no difference because in Him we know everything we need to know.

I wasn't aware of the fact that millions of people are fighting each other over a verse. I wasn't aware there's more than one interpretation of this verse. The REAL question here would be: Did Mary willingly give herself over to the Holy Spirit? NOT, was she a virgin. That seems to be accepted by traditional Christianity. Of course there are new fandangled ideas going around which are wrong and some are heretical.

 

[evotell]

Every born again believer knows Jesus.
Not a book.
We read the book to find out as much as we can about His story.
If we never read it, it would make no difference because in Him we know everything we need to know.

I wasn't aware of the fact that millions of people are fighting each other over a verse. I wasn't aware there's more than one interpretation of this verse. The REAL question here would be: Did Mary willingly give herself over to the Holy Spirit? NOT, was she a virgin. That seems to be accepted by traditional Christianity. Of course there are new fandangled ideas going around which are wrong and some are heretical.

In your opinion

 

[evotell]

A fascinating book for those with an open heart & mind
ProgressiveChristianity.org : The Birth of Jesus

 

[GodsGrace]

In your opinion

It's not my opinion.
All you do is read books.
Have you attended any churches where you've been taught anything of value?

FYI, books are just an opinion....
Unless they jive with traditional christianity.

 

[evotell]

Wow, that's a pretty narrow minded. The Bible is a library of books and contains truth just as truth can be found in many other writings and books.

 

[Stranger]

That's a great question. It interests me because I'm saddened to see millions of people in Christendom who have their faith in a narrative and are fighting each other over the interpretation of that narrative. If God is the author of truth which I believe He is, and has made Himself known through out creation wouldn't it be more realistic to think He wanted all men to come to know HIM, NOT a book written about Him.

A Book written about Him and by Him.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Wow, that's a pretty narrow minded. The Bible is a library of books and contains truth just as truth can be found in many other writings and books.

The Bible is one Book with one Author, God. It contains the Truth concerning God and the believer of God. It is the only Book ever written by God and given to man.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow, that's a pretty narrow minded. The Bible is a library of books and contains truth just as truth can be found in many other writings and books.

So to you the Bible is like any other book?
And every traditional Christian is narrow minded?
Like the narrow road Jesus spoke of.
I'm happy to be narrow minded. God is always the same and does not change.

 

[Triumph1300]

Did you get married??

Oh, boy!

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh, boy!

What's that mean?!
Oh boy did i !!!!!!

 

[ScottA]

Wow, that's a pretty narrow minded. The Bible is a library of books and contains truth just as truth can be found in many other writings and books.

What GodsGrace has pointed out, is that you are presenting a double standard, being for other books, but against the books of the bible, and sighting the same reason for doing both. It is you who are not being open, but are being biased, and biased for books of your own choosing, but against those of God's choosing. You present yourself as being wiser than God in your own eyes.

Isaiah 5:21
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!

 

[Triumph1300]

What's that mean?!

"My wife and I have been married for a long time, and not once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce; murder, yes, but divorce, never."

 

[ScottA]

I'm H-I-J-A-C-K-I-N-G this dead thread

Soooo....what would be God's purpose behind the idea of a virgin birth - what would be the point? Lord knows it's not for naught. What say you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Understanding what we believe and why is very important as it will help us decide whether or not many of the doctrines presented by Christendom are in fact authentic.

The gospels of Mark and John say absolutely NOTHING about the virgin birth of the Messiah, and throughout assume Yeshua to have been of normal human birth. It is only in the gospels of Matthew and Luke that the pagan fable of the virgin birth is introduced --r and ONLY in the first two chapters of these gospels. The evidence is overwhelming that the first two chapters of Matthew and Luke are later additions by pagan Greek priests who grafted the "Virgin-birth" and "son of God" myths onto the simple, original records of the human-born Messiah who descended from his ancestor David.

So should this change my faith ? No not all, because my faith isn't based in correct doctrine, its rooted in my relationship with the Father. "For I know in whom I have believed" NOT in what I believe.

Why on earth would you believe in the Father if He lies to you through His Word??
If the Virgin Birth is a myth- then He lied to you - so, why believe in the rest??

And, as for your argument that since Luke and Matthew are the only Gospels that speak of the Virgin birth, then it CAN'T be true - what about all of the other events that aren't mentioned in all 4 Gospels??
What about the Last Supper?? John's Gospel doesn't show Jesus blessing the bread and wine.
What about the Wedding at Cana?? Only John speaks of this. does that mean it never took place??
What about the resurrection of Lazarus?? Once again, only JOHN speaks of this - sooooo is it just a "myth"??

These are asinine propositions because the Gospels aren't meant to be identical.
They are 4 different perspectives on the earthly mission of Christ.

 

[Helen]

I'm H-I-J-A-C-K-I-N-G this dead thread

Soooo....what would be God's purpose behind the idea of a virgin birth - what would be the point? Lord knows it's not for naught. What say you?

Golly. I have to say that I will have to think on it a bit.

Interesting because God had no trouble in having Rahab the harlot in Jesus family line.
Three times over Rahab is referred to as “the harlot,” and the Hebrew term zoonah and the Greek word porne have at no time meant anything else but “harlot”...a woman who yields herself indiscriminately to men.
She had been taken from the dunghill and placed among the saints in the genealogy of the Saviour ... "Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab" (Matthew 1:5
And found in Hebrews 11. " By faith".

So, right there, "to me" shows there is another reason why young Mary was called as a virgin....other than- purity of the family tree...

Watching and reading.

 

[Triumph1300]

If the virgin birth of Jesus is untrue, then the story of Jesus changes greatly; we would have a sexually promiscuous young woman lying about God’s miraculous hand in the birth of her son, raising that son to declare he was God, and then joining his religion.

But if Mary is nothing more than a sinful con artist then neither she nor her son Jesus should be trusted.

 

[DPMartin]

Right, because to be a christian I'd have to be like you eh! Had you responded to my posts with: "That sounds interesting" or Im trying to walk with God and keep an open heart & mind" I may have taken your comments more seriously.

in all honesty who should care that you take any posting seriously? you think yourself that important?

and from what you've posted so far your are not a Christain not because you are not like anyone but you deny scripture and the testimony of the Apostles and the prophets.


Isa 7:10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, 11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. 12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.


Immanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל‬ meaning, "God with us"; also romanized Emmanuel, Imanu'el)

 

[Triumph1300]

not because you are not like anyone but you deny scripture and the testimony of the Apostles and the prophets.

Sounds correct.

 

[Helen]

If the virgin birth of Jesus is untrue, then the story of Jesus changes greatly; we would have a sexually promiscuous young woman lying about God’s miraculous hand in the birth of her son, raising that son to declare he was God, and then joining his religion.

But if Mary is nothing more than a sinful con artist then neither she nor her son Jesus should be trusted.

So, is that your answer to Scott...?
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