The Wolves Are Already Among Us

[NotTheRock]

If you think I’m wrong, prove it from Scripture, not opinion. Personal feeling is not the standard of truth, God’s Word is.

Lamentations 3 talks of God’s mercy towards Israel in their afflictions, not their eternal salvation. But the same Bible also declares, “These shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal” ~Matthew 25:46. “They shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord” ~2 Thessalonians 1:9.

That’s not my opinion, that’s God’s Word. If you disagree with that, you’re not disagreeing with me, you’re disagreeing with Scripture itself.

You're a false teacher.

 

[JLB]

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

However, the departure of those in Christ is a one time event, and marks a particular point in history.

Much love!

The resurrection and rapture occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


If you believe the coming of the Lord is before the tribulation then let me ask you this….


Who would follow the Antichrist if the had seen the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns?

 

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The resurrection and rapture occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


If you believe the coming of the Lord is before the tribulation then let me ask you this….


Who would follow the Antichrist if the had seen the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns?

Did you miss my question? I had asked:

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

Much love!

 

[JLB]

Did you miss my question? I had asked:

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

Much love!

The great falling away has begun, with many today turning away from Christ and embracing New Age practices.


The resurrection and rapture occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


If you believe the coming of the Lord is before the tribulation then let me ask you this….


Who would follow the Antichrist if the had seen the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns?

 

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The great falling away has begun, with many today turning away from Christ and embracing New Age practices.

That's been happening for a long long time. Again, I ask you,

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

I suggest that the reason you've not answered this is because there is no answer.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

You would know because you have eyes to see and ears to hear.


Just look at Democrats.


Maybe you don’t realize when Churches start having gay Pastors that they have fallen away.

 

[JLB]

That's been happening for a long long time. Again, I ask you,

How would you know when this is actually fulfilled, considering there have been people leaving leaving churches, and abandoning sound doctrine for a long long time?

I suggest that the reason you've not answered this is because there is no answer.

Much love!

I guess you didnt like my answer.


The great falling away has begun, with many today turning away from Christ and embracing New Age practices.

 

[bdavidc]

You're a false teacher.

We’ve already settled this with Scripture. I knew you wouldn’t be able to show any verse because you’re the one teaching without it, that’s what makes someone a false teacher. “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God” ~1 Peter 4:11.

I’ve given the truth straight from the Word. If you reject that, you’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with God. “A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject” ~Titus 3:10.

 

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I guess you didnt like my answer.


The great falling away has begun, with many today turning away from Christ and embracing New Age practices.

No, you have not given me an answer.

How do you know that what you see as a falling away is the same falling away that you see prophesied in the passage? People have turned away for a couple of thousand years. How do you know, "this is it"?

Much love!

 

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You would know because you have eyes to see and ears to hear.

So you "just know". Got it. Excuse me if I don't find that convincing.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

So you "just know". Got it. Excuse me if I don't find that convincing.

Much love!

‘When have churches ever had homosexual pastors?

This didn’t start happening until the 60’s and has been increasing until present.

This is one example.


The resurrection and rapture both occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


Who would follow the antichrist if they had seen the Lord Jesus coming in great power and glory?

 

[marks]

This is one example.

All you are giving me here is "so it seems to me". But that's not Biblical evidence. Only your personal opinion. I'm asking you for something definitive.

I'm sorry, the whole while, I know there is no answer, because the Bible gives no further definition, just the single word apostasia.

There is this:

1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV
1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

And we can know exactly when this is happening. They forbid marriage, they forbid certain foods, as the Catholic church forbids their priests to marry, and they forbid certain foods. This is definitive.

Much love!

 

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Who would follow the antichrist if they had seen the Lord Jesus coming in great power and glory?

Let's not confuse the chosen nation with the church, OK? If you want to compare the gathering of Israel as prophesied so many times with the gathering of those in Christ in the rapture, we can start with the Sheep & Goats judgement that shows that the church is NOT gathered with Israel, the chosen nation.

I use the historical grammatical hermeneutic, which is to say, I use the meanings of the words as they meant them at the time they were given. Such as "elect/chosen".

If you were to ask an Israelite of that day what was meant by "the chosen" and "the nations", there would be no hesitation, and no contradiction, the chosen and the nations refer to the chosen nation Israel, and the Gentiles.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

All you are giving me here is "so it seems to me". But that's not Biblical evidence. Only your personal opinion. I'm asking you for something definitive.

I'm sorry, the whole while, I know there is no answer, because the Bible gives no further definition, just the single word apostasia.

There is this:

1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV
1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

And we can know exactly when this is happening. They forbid marriage, they forbid certain foods, as the Catholic church forbids their priests to marry, and they forbid certain foods. This is definitive.

Much love!

‘These are certainly ways that people depart from the faith.

This rise of Calvinism is another sign of this great falling away from the faith, where people are taught they are saved before they hear and believe the Gospel, where they are chosen for salvation, and where God doesn’t love the world He only loves the elect.


Again, the contextual way the word is used has to do with the rise of the Antichrist and those who will follow him thus falling away from Christ, thinking the Antichrist is the true Messiah.

That’s the context.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


We already know from 1 Thessalonians 4 that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, is the resurrection and rapture.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

 

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This rise of Calvinism is another sign of this great falling away from the faith,

This is a falling away that's been happening for over 500 years?

?

 

[JLB]

This is a falling away that's been happening for over 500 years?

?

When it is coupled with homosexual pastors, the rebuilding of the third temple and the rise of false doctrine, then you have the great falling away.


Again, the contextual way the word is used has to do with the rise of the Antichrist and those who will follow him thus falling away from Christ, thinking the Antichrist is the true Messiah.

That’s the context.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


We already know from 1 Thessalonians 4 that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, is the resurrection and rapture.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

 

[marks]

Again, the contextual way the word is used has to do with the rise of the Antichrist and those who will follow him thus falling away from Christ, thinking the Antichrist is the true Messiah.

Nothing you've said other than the apostasia being in a similar time frame to the revealing of the antichrist. Who has not been revealed, mind you.

This all comes down to, "so it seems to me". You are only given your opinions. I'm looking for Scripture, not opinions.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

Nothing you've said other than the apostasia being in a similar time frame to the revealing of the antichrist. Who has not been revealed, mind you.

This all comes down to, "so it seems to me". You are only given your opinions. I'm looking for Scripture, not opinions.

Much love!

‘Scripture is far from it seems to me.

The falling away precedes the coming of the Lord and the resurrection and rapture.

First comes the antichrist going to the temple, then the Lord will destroy the antichrist at His coming.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


We already know from 1 Thessalonians 4 that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, is the resurrection and rapture.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


Three distinct things occur at the coming of the Lord:

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

The resurrection
The rapture
The destruction of the antichrist


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


This is biblical truth.

 

[ShineTheLight]

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Apostasy is not coming. Apostasy is here. Jude wrote, “Certain men… crept in unawares… ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness” (Jude 1:4). Apostates sit in pulpits, write books, and livestream sermons. But they twist the truth and pour poison into the flock.

Jesus said wolves will come in sheep’s clothing (Matthew 7:15). Paul said that men will rise up from among them and preach perverted doctrine (Acts 20:30). Peter said false teachers will secretly introduce destructive heresies (2 Peter 2:1–2). They are here today.

In that same chapter, Matthew 7, in verses 21 through 23, Jesus says that not everyone who says unto him "lord, lord" will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they who do the will of the father in heaven, and tell those who work iniquity to depart from him.

Another thing is that the bible says, in 1 Corinthians 9:14, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

 

[bdavidc]

In that same chapter, Matthew 7, in verses 21 through 23, Jesus says that not everyone who says unto him "lord, lord" will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they who do the will of the father in heaven, and tell those who work iniquity to depart from him.

Another thing is that the bible says, in 1 Corinthians 9:14, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Agreed. Matthew 7:21–23 shows that profession alone proves nothing. Jesus rejects those who practice lawlessness. On the support issue, Paul calls it a right, not a validation, and he himself refused it so the gospel would not be hindered ~1 Corinthians 9:15–18. Scripture tests teachers by truth and fruit, not by income ~Matthew 7:16, ~2 Peter 2:3