There is no "Paul's Gospel", until Jesus died on The Cross.

[Behold]

Your wrong when you state there was no Gospel until Jesus taught it to the Pharisee.

Ive never stated that there was "no gospel until Jesus taught it to the Pharisees".
So, you're very confused, and i was just explaining to @PS95 , that people like you, try to prove that Jesus was Preaching Paul's Gospel while He was on earth, ministering to the Jews.
You and other very theologically confused people like you are the prime example, regarding why i posted my Thread. @pandaflower

 

[Behold]

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1. A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.

The MaryCULT is a heretical man made religion.
Avoid it, if your're smart.
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[PS95]

Lets agree that Paul's Gospel is The Gospel., and He stated it is "MY Gospel".. 3x.
And lets agree that Jesus never taught this Gospel, during His ministry to the Jews.., (House of Israel).. while he was alive.
So, iJesus told the remaining apostles Paul's Gospel, after Jesus rose from the Dead... and they sort of understood it, but not really..
Later they did., by Acts 16, which is 16 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.

My Thread was written to simply address a false and common heretical teaching, that "The Gospel of Jesus"......is what He was preaching, and its the "same as Paul's".'
And of course that can't be true, as Jesus never "preached" "Christ Crucified" to Jews, while He was alive, during His ministry, as He had not died on it yet... and after He did, He never went back to them.

There is only one gospel and it will be the same one until Jesus returns. Jesus taught about his death & resurrection before it took place so I do see the gospel in His teachings, and I also see the wisdom of all His teachings that go along with the only gospel.
But we have an advantage that the disciples did not have. We read Jesus' words now knowing why He was crucified.
I can see in acts 15:11 that Peter certainly understood, but like I said there will be times of faltering and questions. We see Stephen stoned with Paul approving. Acts 8 Are you saying Stephen didn't know the gospel? While I agree it isn't in his speech plainly, but he understood the cross having repeated Jesus' own words on the cross. He also called Jesus, the Righteous One. And we have Philip also in acts 8 baptizing the Ethiopian because "he preached Jesus" to him. Acts 8:40 says -Phillip kept preaching the GOSPEL to all the cities.
This was when Paul was still a Pharisee.

 

[pandaflower]

I think it important to also note,Jesus ministry on Earth begins in the Book of Mark, and after John the Baptist Baptized him.

This so that The Mikvah those Jews present witnessed would be later understood when Jesus referred to Baptism in his name.
(Also,in his name as Father,Son,Holy Spirit. Immanuel,The Word God, made flesh)

Don't be deceived. Your soul depends on the truth of Jesus,The Word of God.

Mark 1:14-15 (Jesus says) "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel."

Gospel=" Good News".

 

[Behold]

There is only one gospel and it will be the same one until Jesus returns.

There are many Gospels.
Many.

Millions of Christians believe that "repent and be baptized".. (Acts 2:38) ...is the Gospel.

Paul's Gospel is also called "the Gospel of God".......so, thats the correct one.

Here is another example of a Gospel that isn't..

"Go into all the world and make disciples......baptising them".

See that one?
That is not THE Gospel, but it is a Gospel that many Teach., and Hell has a lot of water baptized religious people in it who were told by their Cult that the "water washed away their sin".
It didnt, and they died and went to hell believing it did.

 

[PS95]

There are many Gospels.
Many.

Millions of Christians believe that "repent and be baptized".. (Acts 2:38) ...is the Gospel.

Paul's Gospel is also called "the Gospel of God".......so, thats the correct one.

Here is another example of a Gospel that isn't..

"Go into all the world and make disciples......baptising them".

See that one?
That is not THE Gospel, but it is a Gospel that many Teach., and Hell has a lot of water baptized religious people in it who were told by their Cult that the "water washed away their sin".
It didnt, and they died and went to hell believing it did.

Oh my. So we go back to my post #10-

Jesus spoke the GOSPEL to the 10 while Paul was still a Pharisee..
The GOSPEL that Jesus & Paul and the APOSTLES all PREACHED-
Luke 24:45-53

"Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48“You are witnesses of these things. 49“And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
50And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. 51While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53and were continually in the temple praising God."


Repentance and baptism were indeed a part of Paul's teachings.
It's obvious as day that when Paul said he was not sent to baptize that he was merely saying it wasn't his chief job-others baptized- but he did baptize people and he was baptized. It was not his TOP PRIORITY.

It's ironic because Paul is actually refuting what you sounds just like you, Behold vs. the LoveYeshua types- You are both terribly mistaken.
"I am of Paul" "I am of Christ" "I am of Cephas", Yet you two don't see that? History repeats..

1 Cor 12-17
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

Paul was baptized immediately after his conversion and recovery at Ananias’s house Acts 9:18, He recounts baptism in his testimony in Acts 22:16
When Lydia is converted under Paul’s preaching, she also is baptized immediately Acts 16:15.
The same--- the jailer and his family Acts 16:33 and the Ephesian disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19:1-7
Paul’s actions in Acts do not equate to what you say.
His letters were written to those who he had assumed baptism has taken place, of course so it is not spattered all over his letters!
Nowhere are we ever told there is an END to repentance or baptism... To the end of the AGE Gospel.

…Repentance-
Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews: and how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. ~ Acts 20:18-20

Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. ~ Acts 26:19-20

Romans 2
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD – Paul used it to preach the gospel to them.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. ~ Acts 17:30-31

Again-- Luke 24:45-53 The GOSPEL that Jesus & Paul and the APOSTLES PREACHED-

"Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48“You are witnesses of these things.

Baptism Jesus preached the same as Paul and the apostles did-
Matt 28
But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Just because some have false views about baptism (ie: water saves) does not mean we don't still obey and be baptized. We don't use their false meaning. I recall having anger in my heart at MARY at one point in my life. because being raised a JW they taught us how Catholics venerated her. --
We need to be careful not to hate a bible teaching or person just because some use it wrongly. This is true of repentance and baptism. They are commands of the Lord Jesus Himself! Paul absolutely knew this and taught them too. You can't deny that from what is written above. Paul did not need to say it over and over and over when WRITING TO THOSE ALREADY BAPTIZED in his letters. Think about it.
If he had not been teaching the ONE GOSPEL he would have been a false apostle like LoveYeshua says-- and he was not! Your view makes him sound like one! Be careful please.

 

[David Lamb]

no, not by you, my brother across the pond.

Sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you meant me because you were replying to my post.

 

[David Lamb]

Notice that Jesus is explaining this only the Apostles and Disciples... After He has died on The Cross.
So, as i stated, when Jesus was in his earthly Ministry, He never told a JEW, anything about The Cross, as He had not died on it yet.

Now, there is more to this then Jesus explained to them......and He didnt tell them while He was still on earth, because as He told them.....>>"there are many things i would tell you, but you can't receive them now'.
So, He Called PAUL to tell them, and that is why Paul wrote all the Church Doctrine, and most of the NT Epistles.

He hadn't died on the cross when He told the disciples, several times, about His death and resurrection. For example:

“17 ¶ Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, 18 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 19 “and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.”” (Mt 20:17-19 NKJV)

“1 ¶ Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, that He said to His disciples, 2 “You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified.”” (Mt 26:1-2 NKJV)

 

[Behold]

47and that repentance for forgiveness of sins

As i told you yesterday.
Your verse is Jesus talking to the Apostles, after He had risen from the Dead.
Jesus never preached this message while He was in His ministry, before He died.
He only told the 11, and they didnt understand it.
Its also complete, and was completed as Paul's Gospel.

Also, you notice that the verse says "repentance of sins"..........and Paul's gospel does not preach "repentance".
So, we see already that the Gospel that Jesus gave Paul, is different, as Paul's preaches "FAITH"...and "Christ Crucified" . is Justification.
No works
No Water Baptism.

Also, your verse correlates with Mark 16, which is not the Gospel.
See, the Gospel that Paul preaches has no water baptism in it.

It has no "repentance" and no "water baptism"...

In Fact Paul said "Christ sent me not to water baptize", which shows us that he is making the distincition between the "repent and get wet".....and the "Grace through Faith" that is Paul's Gospel.

So, as we look closely we see that your Matt verse, is again talking about "repent and be water baptized", and this is NOT Paul's Gospel.
That is the MaryCult idea of Salvation.........not Paul's.

Paul's Gospel is "The Preaching of the Cross"......"All who BELIEVE shall be saved"......>"Faith is counted as righteousness", and "Justification is by Faith alone ".....no water baptism required and no works accepted.

That's Paul's Gospel, and its the one that Jesus gave to Him, that is to be proclaimed in "the time of the gentiles".......and we are in it.

 

[Behold]

He hadn't died on the cross when He told the disciples, several times, about His death and resurrection. For example:

“17 ¶ Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, 18 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 19 “and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.”” (Mt 20:17-19 NKJV)

“1 ¶ Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, that He said to His disciples, 2 “You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified.”” (Mt 26:1-2 NKJV)

I think what you are not understanding is, until the Apostles understood what Jesus was saying, then its a Mystery to them.

So, if Jesus said He was going to be crucified, but didnt tell them "For what"....and "why".....then its not understood......its not a Gospel they could share, as they didnt understand it.

So, along came PAUL, to clarify it ALL.

See, Paul revealed the Mystery, regarding all this.
He Explains it, because Jesus revealed it to Him.
Why did Jesus do that, and not tell all the other Apostles? Why did Jesus revealed it to Paul, who was not one of the origianal 12.
= IT was to show us that God can take a "chief of sinners" a "Pharisee of Pharisees", and turn him into the greatest Christian who ever lived.
See, Paul teaches what it ALL means., becasue Jesus revealed it to Him as Paul's Gospel, and revealed to Paul all the Church Doctrine.

 

[PS95]

As i told you yesterday.
Your verse is Jesus talking to the Apostles, after He had risen from the Dead.
Jesus never preached this message while He was in His ministry, before He died.
He only told the 11, and they didnt understand it.
Its also complete, and was completed as Paul's Gospel.

Also, you notice that the verse says "repentance of sins"..........and Paul's gospel does not preach "repentance".
So, we see already that the Gospel that Jesus gave Paul, is different, as Paul's preaches "FAITH"...and "Christ Crucified" . is Justification.
No works
No Water Baptism.

Also, your verse correlates with Mark 16, which is not the Gospel.
See, the Gospel that Paul preaches has no water baptism in it.

It has no "repentance" and no "water baptism"...

In Fact Paul said "Christ sent me not to water baptize", which shows us that he is making the distincition between the "repent and get wet".....and the "Grace through Faith" that is Paul's Gospel.

So, as we look closely we see that your Matt verse, is again talking about "repent and be water baptized", and this is NOT Paul's Gospel.
That is the MaryCult idea of Salvation.........not Paul's.

Paul's Gospel is "The Preaching of the Cross"......"All who BELIEVE shall be saved"......>"Faith is counted as righteousness", and "Justification is by Faith alone ".....no water baptism required and no works accepted.

That's Paul's Gospel, and its the one that Jesus gave to Him, that is to be proclaimed in "the time of the gentiles".......and we are in it.

You cant be serious. It's apparent you did not even read the verses I gave you. Paul did teach baptism and he baptized and he was baptized. Paul also taught repentance. This is absurd.
1 Cor 12-17
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

Paul was baptized immediately after his conversion and recovery at Ananias’s house Acts 9:18, He recounts baptism in his testimony in Acts 22:16
When Lydia is converted under Paul’s preaching, she also is baptized immediately Acts 16:15.
The same--- the jailer and his family Acts 16:33 and the Ephesian disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19:1-7
Paul’s actions in Acts do not equate to what you say.
His letters were written to those who he had assumed baptism has taken place, of course so it is not spattered all over his letters!
Nowhere are we ever told there is an END to repentance or baptism... To the end of the AGE Gospel.

…Repentance-
Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews: and how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. ~ Acts 20:18-20

Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. ~ Acts 26:19-20

Romans 2
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD – Paul used it to preach the gospel to them.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. ~ Acts 17:30-31

Again-- Luke 24:45-53 The GOSPEL that Jesus & Paul and the APOSTLES PREACHED-

"Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48“You are witnesses of these things.

Baptism Jesus preached the same as Paul and the apostles did-
Matt 28
But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

 

[Behold]

You cant be serious. It's apparent you did not even read the verses I gave you. Paul did teach baptism and he baptized and he was baptized. Paul also taught repentance. This is absurd.

Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it.
Its "The preaching of the Cross".. or "Justification by Faith" "without works or deeds of the law".
Paul does not EVER teach that water baptism is a part of Salvation, as the MaryCult Liars teach on Fourms and from Pulpits worldwide.
Paul, of course allowed people who were born again, already, to be be water baptized......as that is how it works, as Water Baptism, is symbolic only, and we should be water baptized after we are saved, as this is also a public confession of our faith.

Also, Paul never taught that you have to repent of sin, before God will save you.
Why?
Because "we were saved while we were YET Sinners".. the NT Teaches.
Heretic teach otherwise.
What Paul teaches, is that there is "Godly repentance".....= and that means you repent from UNBELIEF.......you turn from unbelief.. to Faith in Christ.
See that "Repentence"? /???????????????????????
That is the real repentence that God is looking for, as that is FAITH in Christ being given to God, that He accepts....as our "FAITH is counted by God"...

So, the heretics want to add water baptism, and commandment keeping, and self effort, as their self righteous idea of how to be saved.
God rejects all this, because God's Salvation is John 14:6......Its Jesus who is ""the only WAY to the Father". "and no person comes to God, but by ME"..........and that is not water baptism.

 

[PS95]

Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it.
Its "The preaching of the Cross".. or "Justification by Faith" "without works or deeds of the law".
Paul does not EVER teach that water baptism is a part of Salvation, as the MaryCult Liars teach on Fourms and from Pulpits worldwide.
Paul, of course allowed people who were born again, already, to be be water baptized......as that is how it works, as Water Baptism, is symbolic only, and we should be water baptized after we are saved, as this is also a public confession of our faith.

Also, Paul never taught that you have to repent of sin, before God will save you.
Why?
Because "we were saved while we were YET Sinners".. the NT Teaches.
Heretic teach otherwise.
What Paul teaches, is that there is "Godly repentance".....= and that means you repent from UNBELIEF.......you turn from unbelief.. to Faith in Christ.
See that "Repentence"? /???????????????????????
That is the real repentence that God is looking for, as that is FAITH in Christ being given to God, that He accepts....as our "FAITH is counted by God"...

So, the heretics want to add water baptism, and commandment keeping, and self effort, as their self righteous idea of how to be saved.
God rejects all this, because God's Salvation is John 14:6......Its Jesus who is ""the only WAY to the Father". "and no person comes to God, but by ME"..........and that is not water baptism.

This is just sad. I am not of the Catholic faith. This has nothing to do with them. You are stuck on the catholics.
I understand salvation is by faith. That does not negate obedience!
We believe in Jesus as our Savior and then we are to be baptized. Paul was baptized in water and Paul baptized others.,<- You deny that truth. YOU have ignored all of the verses I gave you and are cherry picking one sentence!!! Stop that! That is what Jws do!
He did not deny baptism as part of our faith.
He also taught repentance. I have given you many verses. Now you say it was to believe- yes that is crucial. But it is not believe and keep living in sins! --This is a problem for you Behold. I suggest that you read the verses I posted several times now and BELIEVE them.

WAS PAUL LYING OR DID HE TEACH THE WRONG GOSPEL TOO?
Acts 26:19-20
"but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance."

Or could it be that perhaps you misunderstand what salvation by works of the law vs good works is? Works don't save us but saving faith doesn't do nothing- it produces.
Paul did not teach just believe and then sit back and do nothing. No need to obey the Lord. BALONEY. ---
We are commanded to do certain things. IF WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH- we will obey all of them joyfully. True faith- obeys and true faith yields good works.
That is not of the flesh- All of that is of the Spirit in us- a changed heart- a new creature- We do have to cooperate! We are able to grieve the Spirit.
Don't.

 

[Behold]

This is just sad. I am not of the Catholic faith. This has nothing to do with them. You are stuck on the catholics.

Im not stuck on Catholics, i just recognize their False Doctrine when its posted.

Some of my favorite Saints are Catholics.
I have a Thread on this Forum that celebrates amazing Saints, and 90% are Catholic.

Its the Catholic Doctrine that is spiritual poison.........and this didnt stop many Catholics from becoming Incredible Saints of God, regarding their relationship with Him.
Much of their doctrine is junk, its heresy, its man made nonsense....but many great Saints were Catholics who had an incredible and often mystical relationship with God and Christ.

Like these 2..

St Francis
St Bernadette

I understand salvation is by faith. That does not negate obedience!

Salvation is a "Gift", its God's Grace...., that is created and finished by Jesus on The Cross, , when He offered Himself to God as a Eternal Sacrifice for the sin of the world.
This is received by : "All who will believe".
God's eternal Salvation is not earned.....its RECEIVED by Faith.

After it is received by Faith, ....then the Christian is to produce works as their Discipleship...........but not to try to stay saved.

Now, the heresy is.....that a person who is probably a Christian, but not always.......will teach that Salvation is not earned, but its Kept by Works, or obedience or commandment keeping... ect. (self effort).
Paul teaches that its only by Grace, without works. "Grace through Faith" "without works or deeds of the law".

So, the confused Christian, or the fake one, does not understand that God's Salvaiton is not their Discipleship.
In other words... Salvation is JESUS.........and Discipleship is what the Christian does because He has ALREADY received God's Eternal Salvation.

We believe in Jesus as our Savior and then we are to be baptized. Paul was baptized in water and Paul baptized others.,<- You deny that truth.

You're not being honest.
See, Ive never posted to you, or to anyone that Paul was not baptized or that He didnt baptize.
What i posted to you, is that Paul's Gospel does not include water baptism.
This is why Paul wrote...>"Christ sent me not to water baptise".....which shows us that if water baptism was REQUIRED as the MaryCult teaches, then Paul would not have said "Christ sent me NOT to water baptise".

Millions of Christians who are hung up in Acts 2:38, will never understand this.......never.

= Paul's Gospel... is : "All that call on the name of Jesus shall be saved". "Justification by Faith".
John confirms this as...

KJ21
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name,
ASV
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
AMP
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—
AMPC
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—

that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance."

Repent of their unbelief........= THAT is the REAL Repentence.
This is to put your Trust in Christ........so that is FAITH., and after this, once God has saved you.. "through Faith"... then you are to "present your body as a living sacrifice To God".

Let me show you..

Lets say, a sinner decided to stop sinning.......and they didnt sin for for 12 hrs.
And they said.....>>"God i have not sinned in 12 Hrs". So God will say........Ok, but what have you done with my SON. ???????

See that?

So, if they give God their faith then God will save them....as they have Repented from their unbelief = FAITH.
God is not looking for your best behaivor to thereby save you.....>He's looking for your FAITH IN CHRIST>.

See, "while we were YET SINNERS, Christ died for us"..

"Christ came into the world to save SINNERS"...........who give God their FAITH in Him.

Paul teaches this as "All who call on the name of the Lord (by faith) shall be SAVED".

 

[PS95]

Im not stuck on Catholics, i just recognize their False Doctrine when its posted.
Some of my favorite Saints are Catholics.
I have a Thread on this Forum that celebrates amazing Saints, and 90% are Catholic.
Its the Catholic Doctrine that is spiritual poison.........and this didnt stop many Catholics from becoming Incredible Saints of God, regarding their relationship with Him.
Much of their doctrine is junk, its heresy, its man made nonsense....but many great Saints were Catholics who had an incredible and often mystical relationship with God and Christ.
Like these 2..St FrancisSt Bernadette

Salvation is a "Gift", its God's Grace...., that is created and finished by Jesus on The Cross, , when He offered Himself to God as a Eternal Sacrifice for the sin of the world.
This is received by : "All who will believe".
God's eternal Salvation is not earned.....its RECEIVED by Faith.
After it is received by Faith, ....then the Christian is to produce works as their Discipleship...........but not to try to stay saved.
Now, the heresy is.....that a person who is probably a Christian, but not always.......will teach that Salvation is not earned, but its Kept by Works, or obedience or commandment keeping... ect. (self effort).
Paul teaches that its only by Grace, without works. "Grace through Faith" "without works or deeds of the law".

So, the confused Christian, or the fake one, does not understand that God's Salvaiton is not their Discipleship.
In other words... Salvation is JESUS.........and Discipleship is what the Christian does because He has ALREADY received God's Eternal Salvation.

I agree it is not to keep you saved. I never said it was. It is PROOF of true salvation. You must have me confused with someone else.

You're not being honest. What i posted to you, is that Paul's Gospel does not include water baptism.
This is why Paul wrote...>"Christ sent me not to water baptise".....which shows us that if water baptism was REQUIRED as the MaryCult teaches, then Paul would not have said "Christ sent me NOT to water baptise".
See, Ive never posted to you, or to anyone that Paul was not baptized or that He didnt baptize.

This makes no sense. Paul was baptized and performed baptisms and yet you say he didn't teach baptism. It was a part of his gospel or his gospel was two different ones. Why can't you understand this?

Millions of Christians who are hung up in Acts 2:38, will never understand this.......never.
= Paul's Gospel... is : "All that call on the name of Jesus shall be saved". "Justification by Faith".
John confirms this as...
KJ21
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name,
ASV
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
AMP
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—
AMPC
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—
Repent of their unbelief........= THAT is the REAL Repentence.
This is to put your Trust in Christ........so that is FAITH., and after this, once God has saved you.. "through Faith"... then you are to "present your body as a living sacrifice To God".
Let me show you..
Lets say, a sinner decided to stop sinning.......and they didnt sin for for 12 hrs.
And they said.....>>"God i have not sinned in 12 Hrs". So God will say........Ok, but what have you done with my SON. ???????
See that?
So, if they give God their faith then God will save them....as they have Repented from their unbelief = FAITH.
God is not looking for your best behaivor to thereby save you.....>He's looking for your FAITH IN CHRIST>.

See, "while we were YET SINNERS, Christ died for us"..

"Christ came into the world to save SINNERS"...........who give God their FAITH in Him.

Paul teaches this as "All who call on the name of the Lord (by faith) shall be SAVED".

Repentance- no one who comes to Christ sincerely, who already isn't repenting of their sin. Why would you go to the Lord to accept His gift and receive forgiveness of sins if you did not agree that your sin was a bad thing in the first place? I can't repent of unbelief if I never heard of Him before. I am repenting of my sins and now see the need for my Savior.
Genuine repentance pleads with the Lord to forgive and deliver from the burden of sin and the fear of judgment.
Repentance is not a meritorious work as it is like faith- both are an inward response. True repentance involves a change of heart and purpose, it inevitably results in a change of behavior.
I think the issue here is that you see repentance as a work and not also a gift.
Before you came to Christ did you care when you sinned? I didn't. I did as I pleased. It was not until I cared that I could become repentant. When I began to care..it was because I was being called to Christ. Only then did I see my sins as needing forgiveness. People who don't come to Christ are loving their sins.
Paul taught repentance as well. I gave you the verse in Acts which you ignored once again. He is exactly in line with Jesus.

Sin After a person is saved--
I don't think I want to attempt that subject with you again. I recall that you think you don't sin? Is that right?
I disagree, and the Spirit actually makes my inward sins acute to me, so that I do see them and I do care. That is conviction and not condemnation and I appreciate it. I can see sins within me now, that I would never have seen before. ( sins such as in the thoughts)- it is all about the heart. It's humbling and I appreciate it. I can agree with God about my ongoing sinfulness inwardly and again express thanksgiving for my Savior. It is growing in the Lord and a part of sanctification. We are becoming holy.

Look at partaking of the Lord's Supper (communion) It is a command of the Lord for believers just as repentance & baptism are. I don't partake in communion to be saved, but because I am and I joyfully participate- the same is true of baptism and repenting of sins.
It is a part of walking and growing in the Lord.
When you see sin in yourself? You do what? do nothing?
You don't confess and forsake it? that is repentance. We have the power over sin in us now and we are to put sin in the flesh to death daily in the Spirit.
You ask-- What have I done with the Son? I rejoice in His love!

 

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This makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense to anyone who understands Paul's Gospel.

However if you are a "repent and be baprized" MaryCult deceived, then you'll not be able to understand Paul's Gospel of "Grace through Faith".

Paul was baptized and performed baptisms and yet you say he didn't teach baptism.

If a verse says Paul was baptized, or that Paul baptized, that is not the verse "teaching baptism"..
Its just showing what he has done.
So, the verses are showing that Paul was baptized, and that he baptized some converts... after they were born again.

My continual point to you about this, is that Paul's Gospel does not include water baptism AS Necessary regarding how to be saved or stay saved.

Repentance- no one who comes to Christ sincerely, who already isn't repenting of their sin.

Sinners are convicted by the Holy Spirit of their need for Salvation.........to be forgiven......they are not told to stop sinning to receive it.
They are told to come and receive forgiveness for their lifetime of sinning. becaue "while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us".

Why would you go to the Lord to accept His gift and receive forgiveness of sins if you did not agree that your sin was a bad thing in the first place? I

Salvation is not about agreeing with God or your conscience that your sin isn't a good thing.
Salvation is about God offering a sinner eternal forgiveness as a Gift, and redemption through Christ that is Eternal.

Genuine repentance pleads with the Lord to forgive and deliver from the burden of sin and the fear of judgment.

Faith in Christ is acknowing that you need to be forgiven, and you need to Trust in Christ.

I think the issue here is that you see repentance as a work and not also a gift.

The issue is that you dont quite understand the actual type of Repentence that God accepts.
You only see it as a trade, or some see it as a contract.... were the sinner is agreeing to be good and stop sinning so that God will have them.

The NT says that God saves the "ungodly", while they are "yet sinners".

The NT says that "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".......not sin repenters.

Before you came to Christ did you care when you sinned? I didn't. I did as I pleased. It was not until I cared that I could become repentant.

God calls sinners to Faith in Christ.
Salvation is an eternal offer of Hope and Eternal life, its not a judgment moment meeting with an Angry God.
its a offer of God's LOVE who has died for all sinners so that they can be reconciled to God, forever.

Paul taught repentance as well.

Listen, i'll give you the same answer as the last few times.

Real repentance isn't turing from sin......its Turning to Christ with Faith.......its turning from unbelief to Faith in Christ.

Understand that a person goes to Hell not because of a lifetime of sinning....but because of never being forgiven, which is the unpardonable sin, of dying un-pardoned.

See, when sinners unforgiven meet God in eternity, that question i showed you is the one they have to face.
God will say......."What did you do with my Son"....and all they can say is...>"NOTHING".., and that is true, and that is their damnation, that didnt just start after they died.
It was always on them, all their UNBELIVING LIFE>...
Hell is just the end result waiting for them in Eternity.

Lile this....

Where is Hell located ?? ..... = Its located at the end of a Christ rejecting Life.


John 3:36

 

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However if you are a "repent and be baprized" MaryCult deceived, then you'll not be able to understand Paul's Gospel of "Grace through Faith".

There you go again with catholic rhetoric. There is no sound reasoning with you. YOUR Paul preaches a different gospel than Jesus Christ. That is because your Paul is NOT the PAUL in ACTS which I have show you.. You have made up your own Paul.
I am not going to bother reading the rest. You are not being reasonable.


but continually proclaimed to those in Damascus first, and in Jerusalem, and then all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they are to repent and turn to God, performing deeds consistent with repentance. PAUL acts 26:20

 

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There you go again with catholic rhetoric. There is no sound reasoning with you.

Listen........and notice,

This is what Jesus taught as a Gospel. :

"""""And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom"""""


See that "Gospel of the Kingdom"? ??? That is not Paul's Gospel.

Jesus was explaining that the KOG was HERE........as HE IS the KOG........and this is why when you are "in Christ", you are in the KOG.

Understand?

So, Paul's Gospel, was "the gospel of the GRACE of God"....which is.. = that Jesus is our atoning sacrifice, our eternal redemption, our new covenant".

Totally Different.

YOUR Paul preaches a different gospel than Jesus Christ.

Of course its different., as i just showed you... again.

See, Jesus came ONLY to the House of Israel , preaching the KOG.

""""""And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom"""""

Paul was sent to the Gentiles........."in the time of the Gentiles" .........that started once Jesus was Crucified.

So, do you begin to see the difference yet?

 

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.The issue is that you dont quite understand the actual type of Repentence that God accepts.
You only see it as a trade, or some see it as a contract.... were the sinner is agreeing to be good and stop sinning so that God will have them.
The NT says that God saves the "ungodly", while they are "yet sinners".
The NT says that "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".......not sin repenters.
God calls sinners to Faith in Christ. Salvation is an eternal offer of Hope and Eternal life, its not a judgment moment meeting with an Angry God.
its a offer of God's LOVE who has died for all sinners so that they can be reconciled to God, forever.
Listen, i'll give you the same answer as the last few times.
Real repentance isn't turing from sin......its Turning to Christ with Faith.......its turning from unbelief to Faith in Christ.
Understand that a person goes to Hell not because of a lifetime of sinning....but because of never being forgiven, which is the unpardonable sin, of dying un-pardoned.
See, when sinners unforgiven meet God in eternity, that question i showed you is the one they have to face.
God will say......."What did you do with my Son"....and all they can say is...>"NOTHING".., and that is true, and that is their damnation, that didnt just start after they died.
It was always on them, all their UNBELIVING LIFE>...
Hell is just the end result waiting for them in Eternity.
Lile this....
Where is Hell located ?? ..... = Its located at the end of a Christ rejecting Life.
John 3:36

You aren't preaching Paul. You say you are saved, so you can sin all you want and God doesn't mind? I'm going to be blunt and tell you that You preach lies from the pit. You have chosen a few bible verses to sail on and have ignored the rest! All of God's words matter. Not just the ones you choose. You say Christians have no need of repentance. Sins don't matter? It's ok to keep sinning as long as you claim Jesus? Paul, adamantly disagrees with you. Sinning isn't OK with God as long as you claim Jesus' name.
When a person claims Jesus and truly belongs to Him- they are now put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit. We are to become more and more like Jesus by His Spirit in us. Jesus saves sinners and then transforms them by the Spirit and we are to cooperate and not grieve the Spirit! You can not kill sins if there is no repentance of sins!! The very goodness of God leads us to repentance.
This is utter rubbish that you are spouting. You cheapen the grace of God by teaching licentiousness. Repent!
If you are not living your life in Christ putting your sins to death in the Spirit then you have no understanding of Paul's teachings at all. Paul taught grace yes but he also taught obedience. Paul taught to put to death sins of the flesh. That requires repentance. Paul taught forgiving others. Paul taught good deeds. (Titus) We are saved by grace, but it does just not end there, so you just disregard your sins and have no need of obedience and holiness. Accepting grace is the beginning of being born anew- sanctification..
Which of these words of Paul confuses you?

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thes 4:2-8

For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

"Bear with one another and forgive any complaint you may have against someone else. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." Col 3:13

 

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Reader,

When you deal with heretics, and ive dealt with perhaps thousands by now.........you run into the same types..

One of these "types"........is this one.

= "The Gospel that Jesus taught"........is what they proclaim.

See that?
And That is nonsense.......because Jesus never taught a Gospel until He taught it to PAUL, and that happened after Jesus was back in Heaven.
IN Fact, the idea, the concept, the reality of a "Gospel".. was not known, until Jesus died on The Cross, to create it.
Understand?
And Jesus called Paul to deliver the GOSPEL to us all, ..,,, and Paul teaches that any other Gospel, then His, is "cursed", as is the person who is teaching Universalism, or any other false Gospel, such as.. "mary is helping Jesus bring souls into heaven"

= Galatians 1:8

So, when you hear some bible infant talking or posting... who may or may not actually be a Christian....talking about "Jesus's Gospel"......then you are dealing with someone who does not yet understand THe Cross of Christ.