There is no Rapture!

[07-07-07]

Strictly dispensational "interpretation by imagination".

Daniel 11 was fulfilled long ago in the Seleucid empire. It is entirely unrelated to Daniel 9.

The vile person was Antiochus Epiphanes IV. He knew how to use flattery way back then.

We're discussing Daniel 9:24-27. Try to stay on topic.

And stop trying to contort Christ into antichrist.

You're either disingenuous or greatly mistaken because Jesus referred to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel to be in connection with the great tribulation, i.e., end of days.

Matthew 24
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 

[ewq1938]

That's a misinterpretation. There are only 2 prophets.

Where did I say there were more than those two? I didn't. The bible says the two witnesses are two churches AND two prophets. They represent the church in the trib, and there are more such as the 144k, and all those who are killed for rejecting the beast and mark etc.

 

[covenantee]

You're either disingenuous or greatly mistaken because Jesus referred to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel to be in connection with the great tribulation, i.e., end of days.

Matthew 24
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

The parallel Scripture in Luke identifies the abomination of desolation:

Luke 21:20
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

It was the Roman armies.

Nothing to do with "end of days".

Luke was neither disingenuous nor mistaken.

When the Jerusalem Christians saw the Roman armies advancing on Jerusalem, they heeded Jesus' words, and fled, and survived. (Matthew 24:16, Luke 21:21, and the historical record)

Thankfully, the Christians were not dispensational futurites.

 

[07-07-07]

The parallel Scripture in Luke identifies the abomination of desolation:

Luke 21:20
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

It was the Roman armies.

Nothing to do with "end of days".

Luke was neither disingenuous nor mistaken.

When the Jerusalem Christians saw the Roman armies advancing on Jerusalem, they heeded Jesus' words, and fled, and survived. (Matthew 24:16, Luke 21:21, and the historical record)

Thankfully, the Christians were not dispensational futurites.

It is not a parallel with Luke 21:20, as that happened in 70 AD. What's more, there is to be a confirmed "covenant with many" for seven years (one week) tied to the abomination of desolation in the middle of those seven years; this is the abomination of desolation referenced in Matthew 24 and Daniel 9.

Given your interpretation of these Scriptures, just further heightens my belief in the Rapture.

 

[covenantee]

It is not a parallel with Luke 21:20

It certainly is parallel. That's why Matthew and Luke (and Mark) are known as the Synoptic Gospels.

What's more, there is to be a confirmed "covenant with many"

Confirmed for me, and for every recognizant Child of God, at Calvary 2,000 years ago.

Sorry about you.

 

[07-07-07]

It certainly is parallel. That's why Matthew and Luke (and Mark) are known as the Synoptic Gospels.

Not that verse. There is no parallel. One is speaking of 70 AD and the other the end of days.

 

[covenantee]

Not that verse. There is no parallel. One is speaking of 70 AD and the other the end of days.

Synoptic and parallel, Scripture interpreting Scripture.

Both verses were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit sends mixed messages?

 

[jeffweeder]

Synoptic and parallel, Scripture interpreting Scripture.

Both verses were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit sends mixed messages?

Good point. This is clearly the case.
Luke got his information from the same place Matthew and Mark did.
Either one of these inspired 4...,

Mark 13
13 As He was coming out of the temple [grounds], one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, look what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!” 2 Jesus replied to him, “You see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left on another which will not be torn down!”

3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be fulfilled?” 5 Jesus began to say to them, “Be careful and see to it that no one misleads you.

Ludicrous to entertain the idea of a mixed message.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is a misguided group (Dispensationalists) that claims that Christians will be raptured from the earth before the reign of the Antichrist (Tribulation). This group is truly devilish.

This doctrine of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture was invented by a wicked man named John Darby who was a dispensationalist in the 19th century. Before Darby, there was no belief in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture within Christianity.

The Bible clearly states that Christians must go through the Tribulation, for Revelation 20:4 describes how Christians will be beheaded for their faith during the Tribulation. If there really was a Rapture before the Tribulation, then logically there would be no Christians in the Tribulation, but since there will be Christians in the Tribulation, that means there will be no Rapture before the Tribulation. Revelation 13:7 also states that Christians will be given into the hand of the Antichrist, which means that the Antichrist will kill Christians.

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a very evil and dangerous false doctrine. It is evil and dangerous because when the Antichrist appears and begins his kingdom, all these people who have been deceived by the Zionist dispensationalists will think that the Antichrist is not the Antichrist because the supposed rapture has not happened. This false teaching will be to the advantage of the Antichrist.

Jesus will come back only once, and that will be after the tribulation, then he will gather all Christians (Matthew 24:29-31).

Lol
rev 14 demolishes your false evil doctrine

SMH