There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

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Keiw

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ah, Hebrew was my first Language, among others.
Zebedee, a Hebrew name
Matthew
Thaddeus

The New Testament includes a variety of Hebrew, Greek and Roman names. Examples of common English names from the New Testament are:



Hebrew names that begin with Y --how is that
 

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They weren't there. Moses said it, I believe it. Hebrew scholars and trinity scholars did little to figure God out or God would not have sent them off on diaspora's. You put your 100% faith on them, I put mine on Jesus, God's word. End of story.
Do you know what Jesus actually teaches? Few do. I have started threads in every sight like this with 8 or 9 teachings from Jesus. Many trinity sights banned me forever for showing what Jesus taught.
 
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No mortals are perfect. Look at Gods chosen scholars in Jesus' day-totally apostacised-Jesus disfellowshipped them-Matt 23:38--Look how Israel anointed kings fell over and over--Adam and Eve-1/3 of the angels=all perfect yet fell to satan. God disfellowshipped them all. So do not expect perfection from imperfect men.
Nicodemus was an apostate??? The Berean scholars too??
 
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John 10 he is saying one in nature with the Father.
John 17 is one in spirit or agreement.

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. - James 3
 

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I was brought up GARBC Baptist and firmly believed all that Pentecostal stuff was of the devil. Until I came down to Virginia and stayed the summer with my grandmother. I would work the hay field that year with a farmer who would shout at work, shout in the hay field, and shout in church. He would also speak in tongues and run the aisles. He and his wife would operate a dairy farm and he would also work at the local ammunition plant. A very large soul his shouting would ring through the building. In the altar services he would kneel behind me in prayer and tears would roll off his cheek and onto my shoulders. A wonderfully large soul. Along with Dallas there were many others like him who would let the praises roll during church service. During the altar service old Evans Linkous used to weep like a baby. And if he were to look back to catch the amazed look in my eye he would weep, "The Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost!" And point to all the souls being blessed around the altar. After I experienced these things for myself the people would make a fuss, or in the words of the Apostle Paul, glorify God in me.

One day, after a beautiful autumnal week of beautiful Virginia fall and revival I lay on my bed with open door, listening to the Katydids sing their praises to God, reading Run Baby Run, with fireflies lighting up the mountain as they would fly, and heard the Spirit ask... "Put the book down" and then continue, "Where is all that hatred, strife, and bad feeling?" In which examining my eternal man there was nothing there but sheer beauty. I thought to myself... Oh my! I got exactly what those folks got!

And in the words of George Clark Rankin, "It was the third Sunday in September, 1866 (in my case much later), and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life." - The Life of George Clark Rankin
 

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Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) screwed it all up at their councils. No protestant branch fixed much.
But you don't name any council, or why they were convened. You just pass flatus with stupid self defeating zingers. If it weren't for councils, there would be no Bible. duhHELLO??? I'm sure you don't get it, cognitive dissonance is a powerful defense mechanism.

You place yourself in judgement of all Christian churches, the same as every made-in-America Bible club that has to revise history so it fits their man made system.
Todays reputable Protestant historians are the enemy of anti-Catholics. Cults associate the "man of lawlessness" with Catholicism. Many of todays Protestant scholars have backed away from the reformers anti-Catholic assertions. That's because, upon scrutiny and honest research and mature scholarship, the reformers anti-Catholic assertions are embarrassing. "mature scholarship" rules out the absurd wanna-be preachers on YouTube. There is literally an exodus of Protestant scholars and ministers swimming the Tiber.

The need to demonized the Catholic Church ended with Vatican II. Those documents are rarely mocked. But you would rather pontificate myths made popular by professional liars getting rich off people's predisposition to bigotry or lack of education. It's no coincidence that most rabid anti-Catholic rhetoric
  • was spawned from the same country: USA.
  • in the same time frame (late 18th century)
  • always founded by one person, most of them were Protestant pastors,
  • and all of them are less than 200 years old which is as far back as the line of thought is traced.
Nobody is born a racist.
Nobody is born an atheist.
Nobody is born an anti-Catholic
But the socialization process is the same. Most atheists had traumatic childhoods so I often wonder if there is a parallel with rabid anti-Catholics.
Nurturing voluntary doubt leads to spiritual blindness.

2087 Our moral life has its source in faith in God who reveals his love to us. St. Paul speaks of the "obedience of faith"9 as our first obligation. He shows that "ignorance of God" is the principle and explanation of all moral deviations.10 Our duty toward God is to believe in him and to bear witness to him.

2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:

Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."11

* Hope

2090
When God reveals Himself and calls him, man cannot fully respond to the divine love by his own powers. He must hope that God will give him the capacity to love Him in return and to act in conformity with the commandments of charity. Hope is the confident expectation of divine blessing and the beatific vision of God; it is also the fear of offending God's love and of incurring punishment.

2091 The first commandment is also concerned with sins against hope, namely, despair and presumption:

By despair, man ceases to hope for his personal salvation from God, for help in attaining it or for the forgiveness of his sins. Despair is contrary to God's goodness, to his justice - for the Lord is faithful to his promises - and to his mercy.

2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God's almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).
 
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Do you know what Jesus actually teaches? Few do. I have started threads in every sight like this with 8 or 9 teachings from Jesus. Many trinity sights banned me forever for showing what Jesus taught.
Oh WOW..."Few do". You are the epitome of egocentricism; a self appointed expert at not seeing the forest from the trees. Who appointed you an expert? Why? Jesus doesn't need experts, He had nothing to do with them and He certainly didn't appoint you. You probably purchased your ointment from men you have 100% faith in because going to Jesus directly for His Anointing isn't in your religious syllabus
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Christian Maturity Looks like Peter rebuking Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit and killing him. Christian Maturity looks like Paul parting ways with Barnabas, Christian Maturity looks like Paul calling Peter out in public for attempting to compromise his apostleship to favor the powers to be. Christian Maturity doesn't look like a Pope who allows children to be molested under his watch and then does nothing about it except sweep it under the table, knowing full well it was going on for YEARS and probably still does.

Standing on my faith and rebuking the enemy when he shows up as religiousity protesting the truth...is Christian Maturity. Jesus called them sons of the devil. What do you call them?
 
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Christian Maturity Looks like Peter rebuking Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit and killing him. Christian Maturity looks like Paul parting ways with Barnabas, Christian Maturity looks like Paul calling Peter out in public for attempting to compromise his apostleship to favor the powers to be. Christian Maturity doesn't look like a Pope who allows children to be molested under his watch and then does nothing about it except sweep it under the table, knowing full well it was going on for YEARS and probably still does.

Standing on my faith and rebuking the enemy when he shows up as religiousity protesting the truth...is Christian Maturity. Jesus called them sons of the devil. What do you call them?
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Oh WOW..."Few do". You are the epitome of egocentricism; a self appointed expert at not seeing the forest from the trees. Who appointed you an expert? Why? Jesus doesn't need experts, He had nothing to do with them and He certainly didn't appoint you. You probably purchased your ointment from men you have 100% faith in because going to Jesus directly for His Anointing isn't in your religious syllabus
doctrines.
Matt 6:33--Every true follower knows and does this by heart already--Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his (YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--If one does not do this 24/7, 365 then its impossible for them to do this=John 4:22-24
 
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No mortals are perfect. Look at Gods chosen scholars in Jesus' day-totally apostacised-Jesus disfellowshipped them-Matt 23:38--Look how Israel anointed kings fell over and over--Adam and Eve-1/3 of the angels=all perfect yet fell to satan. God disfellowshipped them all. So do not expect perfection from imperfect men.
That reminds me:
Google any group like
Sexual abuse group name, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Mormons, Jehovah Witness and you get a mess.

The JW child abuse damage archive group released the results of its survey of current and former followers about sexual abuse and harassment within the organization on Nov. 28. It received 159 valid responses. Thirty-seven respondents said they had been sexually abused by followers.Dec 4, 2023

July 21, 2023 By Shaheen & Gordon, P.A. In a landmark ruling, a victim of childhood sexual abuse, known only as “N.D.,” has been awarded a groundbreaking $40 million settlement in a lawsuit against the Makaha Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Keneth L. Apana, an “Elder” within the congregation.





Those I posted about where part of your Governing Body in NY.
 

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In Hebrew=Yahweh--We don't speak Hebrew and no other names in the 66 books are written the Hebrew way either.
So why do you JW's constantly try to rewrite the Christian Bible to change the clear meaning?
 
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Every Hebrew scholar and trinity scholar and Gods scholars know 100% the tetragramoton is what God put in the bible= either-YHWH, or YHVH.
How do you know every Hebrew scholar? LOL YOU DON'T! WatchTower LIED to you.
 
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