ScottA
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The fact of the matter is the manifestations of the Spirit (gifts) have long since passed. Anyone claiming otherwise is plain old malarkey
Such a statement is against God, for He never changes. Malachi 3:6
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The fact of the matter is the manifestations of the Spirit (gifts) have long since passed. Anyone claiming otherwise is plain old malarkey
Presently we shall mention by name some of the twenty sects or religious leaders which we have in mind. In the religious program of these twenty “churches” we find that they teach and practice"...These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues..."
If a so-called "pastor", which is an elder according to scripture, not a minister or preacher, went to Nepal to teach about the spiritual gifts rather than saving souls, it simply confirms the fact that this modern-day tongue speaking movement is NOT of God. And I would bet that this so-called pastor doesn't even know how a person's soul is saved according to the bible, and it ain't by speaking in tongues or by any other of the long dead manifestations of the Spirit (gifts). These people are so fixated on nonsense that they have not lost their way, but never really found it to begin with.
The FACT is, all the spiritual gifts have ceased according to scripture
That is a cute answer for something believed that isn't supported by scripture. The FACT is, all the spiritual gifts have ceased according to scripture and cute answers won't validate that which is wrong.
1 Cor 13:8
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
It's a true statement not against God but only against those that believe otherwise who's false beliefs are not supported by scripture nor does your reference to Malachi have any relevance.Such a statement is against God, for He never changes. Malachi 3:6
It's a true statement not against God but only against those that believe otherwise who's false beliefs are not supported by scripture nor does your reference to Malachi have any relevance.
Please dwell in your shortsighted dilemma and being wise in your own conceit. Apparently we've nothing in common, will only be going back and forth in vain, no thank you.Wrong.
Everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their own dialects of languages of birth. The drunk reference was NOT in response to hearing gibberish like you are TRYING to insinuate.
Acts 2:6-11
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV
So much for your telling lies against that Acts 2 Bible Scripture.
Can you prove is the same tongue spoken of in, 1 Corinthians chapter 14 ??The speaking in tongues in the NT was speaking foreign languages. Not gibberish.
Once again you show your lack of scriptural understanding and woukd rather hold fast to and double down on it and error thats inherent in it.That is such a sad testimony...that you apparently know no gift of Christ's being in you that you should call it nonexistent. Sad indeed.
But that is just your sad testimony of unbelief, and although you may not be alone, even so "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses" it cannot, and will not be contained.
We cannot say the 'true' cloven tongue does not manifest today still, because I have heard of situations of pastors in another country where their translator did not show up, so the pastor simply spoke to the people in his own language, but the people heard in 'their' language.Agreed. They weren't the babbling, gibberish, nonsense you hear today, they were tongues of other earthly languages that no longer are being manifested today by the Spirit nor are necessary as they were back then.
Yes we can.1 cor 13:8.We cannot say the 'true' cloven tongue does not manifest today still, because I have heard of situations of pastors in another country where their translator did not show up, so the pastor simply spoke to the people in his own language, but the people heard in 'their' language.
And especially, at the very END of this world, the true cloven tongue is to manifest to ALL the world via The Holy Spirit, through God's two witnesses and the two candlesticks (Churches). Mark 13 covers that event about some of us being delivered up at the end.
That's a bad... example of trying... to quote Apostle Paul. The idea of the believer that is in conceit Paul spoke of is about those who refuse to believe that unbelieving Jews will convert to Christ in final, per Romans 11.Please dwell in your shortsighted dilemma and being wise in your own conceit. Apparently we've nothing in common, will only be going back and forth in vain, no thank you.
Yes we can.1 cor 13:8.
Also, the manifestation of the Spirit resulted by the laying on of the apostle's hands. They're gone too.
Very good explanation, as even in Spanish we cant understand some of the dialects, language can be difficult and having this gift to be able to communicate was a real need at this point...The 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost, which all present heard in their own dialects of the their language of birth, is... real.
But the gibberish which some speak today that is not heard as languages, is not the true cloven tongue of Pentecost.
Hopefully, those who speak the gibberish tongue, and claim it is the 'cloven tongue', maybe if they are delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Christ speaking by The Holy Spirit, maybe then their gibberish will become manifest as what those at Pentecost heard. But until then, Acts 2 evidence is our MEASURE for identifying the cloven tongue.
What really is the cloven tongue?
Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV
Prior to the tower of Babel event in the Old Testament, all peoples spoke one tongue. God confused the one tongue into many languages, and the peoples were divided. The above Zephaniah 3:9 verse is suggesting God is going to return all peoples back to that one tongue after Christ's future return.
The time of that, "fire of My jealousy" upon this earth is what Apostle Peter foretold about the "day of the Lord", the last day of this present world (2 Peter 3:10). That is the day of Jesus' future return.
If one goes into the Greek of Acts 2 for each phrase that mentions the tongue or language, the outline looks like this:
a. Greek glossa (means known languages of the world)
a. glossa
....b. dialektos (where our English word dialect comes from)
....b. dialektos
a. glossa
a. glossa
That above outline in the Acts 2 Scripture confirms beyond all... doubt, exactly what was spoken by the Apostles on Pentecost. The Apostles were probably hearing themselves speaking their own natural language, but it went out to the multitudes in each persons 'dialect' of their own language of birth. God knows how we speak and hear.
Amen!That is such a sad testimony...that you apparently know no gift of Christ's being in you that you should call it nonexistent. Sad indeed.
But that is just your sad testimony of unbelief, and although you may not be alone, even so "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses" it cannot, and will not be contained.
Yes. All the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit have ceased, i.e.; prophesy, tongues, etc. All those things (gifts) listed in 1Cor 12:8-10That is not for today. That is for the world to come. In the future world is when those things will pass away. Instead of listening to your deceived preacher, you should simply read the Scripture for yourself, and think. Has "knowledge" already passed away today? Have "prophecies" already passed away today? Have "tongues" (languages per the Greek) already passed away today? No, to all those things, not yet.
1 Cor 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV
Yes. All the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit have ceased, i.e.; prophesy, tongues, etc. All those things (gifts) listed in 1Cor 12:8-10
Highlight my falseness.That's a bad... example of trying... to quote Apostle Paul. The idea of the believer that is in conceit Paul spoke of is about those who refuse to believe that unbelieving Jews will convert to Christ in final, per Romans 11.
And if you think I'm the one that is "shortsighted", then you need to prove per Acts 2 that those who heard the Apostles speak the cloven tongue on Pentecost didn't understand it. So either do that, or hush up your falseness.