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  1. face2face

    face2face Well-Known Member

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    Chochmah - from{chacham} to be wise, skilful, prudent
    tevanah - ????? (sure you spelt that correctly)
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    Wonder why it is written; I and the Father [WE ARE] one?
    You are doing a terrible job in your eisegesis on Yochanan 1:1
    J.
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    Because they were/are one J. In mind and purpose - we have already established the meaning of Logos - have you been paying attention?
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    chochmah utevuNah
    J.
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    No, you are not my teacher.
    J.
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    I'm starting to think you're just making words up now.

    You mean Tevunah!

    and knowledge [daʿat] in every kind of craft! i.e the work of Hiram!

    (You need a teacher!)
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    a pupil needs to be teachable.
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    No, you haven't been paying attention? Or, no, I don't know the meaning of Logos? Or, no, you don't believe God & Jesus were of the same mind (Logos)
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    חָכְמָ֥ה

    הלא־חכמה תקרא ותבונה תתן קולה׃
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    So why are you not "teachable"
    J.
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    I mean come on J!!!

    I have to put up with your copying and pasting commentaries... now you want me to decipher Hebrew?

    If there was a point to this I am sure its been well and truly lost now.

    Open a good NET or ESV Bible and lets start there shall we?

    Maybe then Wisdom will raise her voice for you?
     
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    face2face Well-Known Member

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    Mate, I'm trying, but take a good look at your teaching techniques!
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    You mean Christ Jesus, sealed with the Ruach haKodesh, THEN I will obtain חָכְמָ֥ה וּ֝תְבוּנָ֗ה?
    J.
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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    How are you going to know what the Logos is if you are insistent not to use ancient rabbinical resources?


    2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    J.
     
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    No. You didn’t hurt me at all. Yes, it was a little rude, but only because you didn’t speak openly and plainly with me for a bit there. Further, you know me and that I do not read or study philosophy or know anything about it. You may not know that I think it’s vain, empty and of the world, but you do know I don’t delve into it (unless you forgot that conversation.) The little I know of it has come from you. I think philosophy is this: 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy,which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness.

    It’s well crafted arguments that depend on human tradition and the spiritual forces of this world and is designed to take men captive, that’s all it is. And I am told to see to it that no one takes me captive by it because in Christ all the fullness of God lives in bodily form.

    I won’t move from this. I do not think there was a speck of sin in my Lord. I do not think He was arrogant or haughty or hateful or spiteful like me. I do not think He was blemished and had to become unblemished like me. Because in Him all the fullness of God lives in bodily form.
     
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    Hang on to that thought for a bit. There's some things I need to pray about. And if you would, please do say a prayer for me.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Your question makes zero sense to what I have said.
    How do you connect what you replied to my post?
     
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    Lambano Well-Known Member

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    I didn't realize that had been alleged by your opponent (but I'll let F2F speak for himself) or by anyone in this thread, and if you think that is what I was saying, I hope you feel guilty about it for at least 45 seconds :p (though it would be my fault for giving you that impression).

    My position (non-negotiable) is that Christ's identification with us in dying for our sins in no way requires that He actually experience our sins. But identification with me requires that He be human, like me.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    I’ve started the timer on the stove. I went with one minute.
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    I won’t move from this
    (non-negotiable)

    no offense ok, but these indicate that you are not really seeking the truth i guess
     
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