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Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to get around Matthew 12:40 by saying it is using "commom" Jewish idiomatic language, will know of some writing as requested in the OP.
 

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rstrats,

I just posted this material in the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise", in answer to a person's question. I thought I would share it here with you.





Mt. 12:40 sets the stage for crucifixion week. When Christ tells us 3D/3N it must occur in that order. The first day of His death must be in the day time. Count ahead 3D/3N and you can see that He must rise from the dead during the third night. He cannot rise from the dead after the 3rd night, because then He would be dead during the 4th day (even 1 minute or 1 second would count as day 4).

The Bible shows us that by Sunday, He was already risen, therefore He must have risen sometime Saturday night. Simple logic and simple arithmetic, unless one doesn't understand that a day start is sunrise.

From here we count backwards. Saturday night (the 3rd night) was the last night He was in the belly of the earth, but also the first night He was alive again and walking among us. Saturday was the 3rd day He was dead.

Friday night was the 2nd night He was dead. Also, since the Passover Feast is always on Friday night, He could not participate, He wasn't there. Friday day is the 2nd day He was dead. Since the Passover sacrifice always occurs on Friday during the day light hours, He didn't participate.

Thursday night was the 1st night He was dead. So, He couldn't have been arrested on Thursday night, because He was already dead. Thursday day was the last day He was alive and the first day He was dead. Therefore, He must have been sacrificed on Thursday day. This is one day prior to Passover.

If He was sacrificed on Thursday day, He must have been arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane on Wednesday night.

He had a meal with His disciples prior to His arrest. Therefore He had to have this meal on Wednesday. This was the Last Supper. Passover is still 2 days in the future.

Most everyone finds all kinds of Scriptures they think proves this scenario to be wrong. if they would listen to the explanations as to why their interpretation of those Scriptures are faulty, then they could learn. I'm on a multi-year search for a person who wants to learn.

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zeke25 said:
rstrats,

I just posted this material in the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise", in answer to a person's question. I thought I would share it here with you.






Mt. 12:40 sets the stage for crucifixion week. When Christ tells us 3D/3N it must occur in that order. The first day of His death must be in the day time. Count ahead 3D/3N and you can see that He must rise from the dead during the third night. He cannot rise from the dead after the 3rd night, because then He would be dead during the 4th day (even 1 minute or 1 second would count as day 4).

The Bible shows us that by Sunday, He was already risen, therefore He must have risen sometime Saturday night. Simple logic and simple arithmetic, unless one doesn't understand that a day start is sunrise.

From here we count backwards. Saturday night (the 3rd night) was the last night He was in the belly of the earth, but also the first night He was alive again and walking among us. Saturday was the 3rd day He was dead.

Friday night was the 2nd night He was dead. Also, since the Passover Feast is always on Friday night, He could not participate, He wasn't there. Friday day is the 2nd day He was dead. Since the Passover sacrifice always occurs on Friday during the day light hours, He didn't participate.

Thursday night was the 1st night He was dead. So, He couldn't have been arrested on Thursday night, because He was already dead. Thursday day was the last day He was alive and the first day He was dead. Therefore, He must have been sacrificed on Thursday day. This is one day prior to Passover.

If He was sacrificed on Thursday day, He must have been arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane on Wednesday night.

He had a meal with His disciples prior to His arrest. Therefore He had to have this meal on Wednesday. This was the Last Supper. Passover is still 2 days in the future.

Most everyone finds all kinds of Scriptures they think proves this scenario to be wrong. if they would listen to the explanations as to why their interpretation of those Scriptures are faulty, then they could learn. I'm on a multi-year search for a person who wants to learn.

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Good!

Now let's say the same things with New Testament Greek words . . .

<<<The first day of His death must be in the day time.>>>

So it was.

<<<Count ahead 3D/3N and you can see that He must rise from the dead during the third night.>>>

If He died in the day He had to rise three days later in the day.

<<<He cannot rise from the dead after the 3rd night,>>>

He would not rise after the day. He had to rise “the third DAY”:
Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34;
Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19
Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7; 46
Hosea 6:2
1Corinthians 15:4.
because that’s the word the Scriptures use : “day”— 13 times!

<<<even 1 minute or 1 second would count as day…>>>

. . . but in reality on Resurrection day was 3 hours before night.

<<<The Bible shows us that by Sunday, He was already risen>>>

Correct!

<<<… therefore He must have risen sometime Saturday night.>>>

Denied! Therefore He must have been raised and be risen sometime before, <<Saturday night>>.

Simple logic and simple arithmetic, unconditionally.

<<<Saturday night (the 3rd night) was the last night He was in the belly of the earth, but also the first night>>>

Nonsense; it’s pure surmising. Quote the Scripture!

<<<He was alive again and walking among us. Saturday was the 3rd day He was dead.>>>

He was crucified and hang on the cross during the last three hours of the day He was crucified and died “the ninth hour” 3 p.m.. So <Saturday>, was “the third day” He was dead. In fact, yes, “Therfeore” said the unbelieving Jews, “Let the grave be made sure FOR THE THIRD DAY unless his disciples come BY NIGHT”—after “the third day according to the Scriptures” and say somebody stole his body.

<<<Friday night was the 2nd night He was dead.>>>

Absolutely so!

<<<Also, since the Passover Feast is always on Friday night>>>

Not <always>; and at Jesus’ Last Passover, not at all, because “at the first night” John 19:39 was just after the body had been taking down “and it already had been evening” Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57, of the first night after He had died in the afternoon before.

<<<He could not participate, He wasn't there.>>>

Obviously not.

<<<Friday day is the 2nd day He was dead.>>>

Correct.

<<<Since the Passover sacrifice always occurs on Friday during the day light hours>>>

Nonsense Dark ages Judaist fanatics’ nonsense!

<<<Thursday night was the 1st night He was dead.>>>

Correct. Because He had died on Thursday day or “the ninth hour”, “on the first day they killed the passover and removed leaven” Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 “the day before the Feast” John 13:1 “the night in which he was betrayed” 1 Corinthians 11:23.

<<<So, He couldn't have been arrested on Thursday night>>>

Correct. he was arrested “very early” in the morning hours of ‘Wednesday night’ the night of the Fifth Day of the week and night or early or first part of the “fourteenth day of the First Month”.

<<<Thursday day was the last day He was alive and the first day He was dead.>>>

Correct.

<<<Therefore, He must have been sacrificed on Thursday day.>>>

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

<<<This is one day prior to Passover.>>>

THIS WAS “THE PASSOVER”—“the first day they always had to KILL the passover”.

<<<If He was sacrificed on Thursday day, He must have been arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane on Wednesday night.>>>

Correct, again.

<<<He had a meal with His disciples prior to His arrest.>>>

Correct.

<<<Therefore He had to have this meal on Wednesday.>>>

No. The Bible has no <Wednesday>. The names of the Bible’s days are there numbers. Therefore He had to have had his Last Supper in the night or first halve of the Fifth day of the week.

<<<This was the Last Supper.>>>

Correct.

<<<Passover is still 2 days in the future.>>>

No. The same day the next morning He would be crucified “the third hour” (9 a.m.) and the same day next “mid-afternoon”, “the ninth hour” (3 p.m.) He would die, and after “evening had come” after sunset following, Joseph would begin to undertake “to bury (the body) according to the Ethics / Law of the jews to bury” : of the passover sacrifice “that which remained”. Exodus 12:10.
 

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Le 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Le 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Le 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath (Eighth day/Sunday) the priest shall wave it.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and I don't especially like to type, so I draw pictures. :rolleyes:

Feasts:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2e0mp6t.jpg

If scripture is correct, which it is, obviously if Jesus was in the grave 3 days "AND" 3 nights, he would arose on the "Fourth day",

not the "Third".

Have any of you considered that the 3 days "AND" 3 night doesn't refer to burial and resurrection????
 

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Short-timer,
re: "If scripture is correct, which it is, obviously if Jesus was in the grave 3 days 'AND' 3 nights, he would arose on the 'Fourth day'..."


Which is in line with Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 which say "after three days".
 

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rstrats said:
re: "If scripture is correct, which it is, obviously if Jesus was in the grave 3 days 'AND' 3 nights, he would arose on the 'Fourth day'..."


Which is in line with Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 which say "after three days".
Do Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 refer to the same thing --event -- topic?

They do. So Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 must mean the same thing.

Which means Matthew 27:64, 'heohs tehs tritehs hehmeras' : "the third day" / "for the third day" / "while it is the third day" / "until the third day will be over" , is "the third day" mentioned about a dozen times by Jesus in different ways meaning exactly the same as "the third day" BY EXCEPTION IDIOMATICALLY EXPRESSED in the words, "after the third day" in Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31.

The same people who "remembered" Jesus "saying", 'meta treis hehmeras', heard Him speak of exactly "that same day" using other words and or forms of speech.

In fact, "after days" no matter what number of days UNIVERSALLY is a figure of speech, a linguistic phenomenon, a colloquial use of language meaning SIMPLY 'ON' whichever day --in this case, "ON the third day" or "THE third day" or "IN three days" or whatever.

But an irrational mountain : <<on the fourth day>> is made of the mole's heap "after three days".

. . . which besides, requires the abandonment, ignoring, denial, corruption of many other factors and facts re "the third day" Christ rose from the dead on.

Pure ignorance?

No! Pure wrongheadedness!
 

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rstrats said:
Short-timer,
re: "If scripture is correct, which it is, obviously if Jesus was in the grave 3 days 'AND' 3 nights, he would arose on the 'Fourth day'..."


Which is in line with Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 which say "after three days".
rstrats,

One must discern when the word "day" is used, which meaning of that word applies. This must be done by the context in which it is used. Plus, one must believe all of the Scriptures, not just one or two that seem convenient to an agenda. Mt 27:63 and Mk 8:31 must be in agreement with Mt 12:40.

Matthew 27:62-64 KJV, "62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first." Since His body died on preparation day, Thursday Abib 13, then after 3 days would be Saturday Abib 15. Thursday is day one, Thursday night is night one; Friday is day two, Friday night is night two; Saturday day is day three, Saturday night is night three. If one tries to count, for even one minute or one second, into Sunday Abib 16 then we are speaking of day four. Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 27:63 must be in agreement with each other. Matthew 12:40 does not support a fourth day of being in the heart of the earth.

5.b. But there is more to be said about Matthew 27:64. The time marker "be made sure until the third day" shows us that the Pharisees apparently believed Yahoshua's prophecy (they believed Him but carried out their plot to murder Him - go figure). One day and night had already passed. It was now the second day of His death and they obviously were not concerned about His body being stolen the first night. They were concerned about the day of Saturday both the day time hours and the night time hours that followed. So, when they made known their request to Pilate, it was Friday (Passover). When they requested the tomb be made secure until the third day, they were counting from Friday and going forward in time until Sunday. Yahoshua's prophecy was that He would rise sometime Saturday night, if the Pharisees secured the tomb until Sunday then they felt that they had it covered. In reality, this group of demonized Pharisees were looking to the power of Rome to stop the resurrection power of God. Ignorant men!

Mark 8:31 KJV, "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.” The word day has several meanings and it must be determined from the context which of those meanings apply. We know that Matthew 12:40 sets the stage regarding the count of days and nights in which Yahoshua’s body will be dead. Since He died during the daylight hours, then He must have risen during the nighttime hours of a 24-hour day. Matthew 12:40 uses the word day to mean the daylight portion of a day only and so does Mark 8:31. Therefore, in Mark 8:31 “after three days rise again” is a time marker that indicates that a fourth day cannot enter into the picture. Thus, “after three days” must mean that He rises during the third night.


I've shared this with you before in post #187, page 7. Of course you are under no obligation to believe it. However, your multi-year and multi-forum search for your answers could be brought to a conclusion if you would but believe in God and that He wrote the Scriptures. Pray for discernment. You need the guidance of the Holy Ghost and not the guidance of the princes of this world.
zeke25
 

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[SIZE=16pt]Matthew 27:62-64, "62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Re:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]“After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]What is this saying? Just what it says! It says “the third day” is "the third day" Jesus spoke about … not so? Of course![/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The day Jesus spoke about when He said what? When he said “After three days I will rise again” of course! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]“the day that followed the day of the preparation” was “the third day” Jesus spoke about— “the third day” He said He would rise “ON”, “IN”, “BY”, “WITH”, “the third day” of the “three days thick darkness” of Egypt’s last two plagues—of the Passover-of-Yahweh—, “the third day according to the Scriptures” the PASSOVER-of-Yahweh Scriptures, none other![/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Therefore can “after three days” be literal? It cannot and WAS NOT literally ‘after’, three days after the day He died on! It was “the third day” after the day He died on which was “the day after The Preparation” the Sixth Day of the week. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]And the “three days” were not any arbitrary non-Scriptural days, but the PROPHETIC “three days” of Jesus’ Last Paschal-SUFFERING AND TRIUMPH. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]They said, secure the grave “until the third day WILL BE OVER”, or “as long as it IS THE, third day”. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Matthew 26:62 DEFINES the meaning of Jesus’ own words, “after three days”. It defines those words to mean and as and FOR BEING, “the third day He said He would RISE” on again. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]One does not need to go anywhere else in the Scriptures to grasp that. It is everywhere else in Scriptures confirmed, yes. Everywhere—, so that here in Matthew 27:62 there is no exception supposedly referring to some other, imaginary, MISTAKEN AND FALSE, <<fourth day>> and not “the third day” which Jesus several times emphasised would be “the THIRD day” after his death that He would rise “ON”.[/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=14pt]Re:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]<<<Since His body died on preparation day, Thursday Abib 13, then after 3 days would be Saturday Abib 15. Thursday is day one, Thursday night is night one>>>[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]<Thursday> was not <<preparation day>>. That is not what John wrote. John wrote that “it was the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” when they took Jesus to crucify Him.[/SIZE]

After Jesus had died “and since The Preparation had begun” … “WHICH is the Fore-Sabbath” the sixth day of the week, wrote John AND Mark, and after “having had become evening already … Joseph arrived”. He then only began, to undertake to obtain Jesus’ body in order to bury it.

HERE only, <<preparation day>> (‘Thursday night’ the beginning of the Sixth Day’, ‘Friday’), BEGAN—the day Joseph would still bury Jesus’ body on.

The Gospels say it in so many words, that when it “had become evening”—three hours after Jesus had died 3 p.m.—, He still hang on the cross “at that first night” of unleavened bread which was “the first day seven days ulb had to be eaten”

Zeke25 does not distinguish between the TWO “Preparations”. In his view “the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (Friday) the Sixth Day of the week, does not exist.
 

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Abib 14, Wednesday night and Thursday day = Fifth Day ....

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30


. . . . . .
Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus laid the body and closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42


. . . . . . .
Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Lk23:56b

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Mt27:62–66

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.

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Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.
 

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Zeke,
re: "One must discern when the word 'day' is used, which meaning of that word applies."


Your scenario of the events surrounding the crucifixion/resurrection is based on the idea that the '24 hour' calendar day begins at sunrise. And mine is based on the more common idea that it begins at sunset. Thus "discussion" is not appropriate since we're starting from different view points.
 

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rstrats said:
Zeke,
re: "One must discern when the word 'day' is used, which meaning of that word applies."


Your scenario of the events surrounding the crucifixion/resurrection is based on the idea that the '24 hour' calendar day begins at sunrise. And mine is based on the more common idea that it begins at sunset. Thus "discussion" is not appropriate since we're starting from different view points.

Nevertheless you both end on a fourth day Resurrection.
 

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GerhardEbersoehn,
re: "Nevertheless you both end on a fourth day Resurrection."
 
Which is in line with Luke 24:21 and Mark 8:31.
 

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Perhaps a further rewording of the OP will make it a bit more clear: Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with some 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates, they frequently assert that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language for counting any part of a day as a whole day. While this is true - that a part of a calendar day could be counted as a whole day, I wonder if anyone knows of any writing that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of daytimes and/or a specific number of night times where the period of time absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of daytimes and at least a part of each one of the specific number of night times? If it is using common idiomatic language, there ought to be examples of that usage in order to be able to make that assertion.

The purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. There are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language such as the Messiah saying that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 nights when He knew that it would only be for 2 nights. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern was used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.
 

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With the new year upon us, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.
 

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rstrats said:
With the new year upon us, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.
Mat 12:40 (KJV) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This is the only time where the phrase "three days and three nights" is used. It is addressed to the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus' enemies, of whom Jesus said, “Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand."(Mat 13:13 nkjv)

Every other time the scriptures speak of the resurrection, it is addressed to believers whom Jesus wants to understand and it is expressed clearly that He will rise (or rose) "on the third day" so that they will be able to see that Jesus' statement exactly match the events of the crucifixion and resurrection. The explicit and clearly stated information concerning the amount of time Jesus would be in the grave is found TWELVE times.

(1) Mat 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
(2) Mat 17:23 and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up.
(3) Mat 20:19 and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.
(4) Mat 27:64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.' So the last deception will be worse than the first.” (Here, His enemies know when He is expected to rise from the grave.)
(5) Mar 9:31 For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.
(6) Mar 10:34 “and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.
(7) Luk 9:22 “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
(8) Luk 18:33 “They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.
(9) Luk 24:7 The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(10) Luk 24:46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
(11) Act 10:40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
(12) 1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

The 12 times repeated words, "on the third day" render it impossible to take as literal the statement of the "sign" given to the scribes and Pharisees, that He would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" as meaning a literal three, twenty-four hour days.

Anyone who holds that Jesus was in the earth for three full days needs to explain, if Jesus did spend a full three days in the grave, why He repeatedly lied and misled his disciples and why Peter and Paul repeated what they knew to be a lie.

The false teaching that Jesus was not crucified on Friday, because he had to spend three days and night in the grave according to Mat 12:40, is utter nonsense. Anyone who insists on promulgating such nonsense is, IMO, either a fraud or a fool and should be afforded all the attention and respect appropriate to his qualifications.
 

rstrats

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iakov,

re: "The 12 times repeated words, 'on the third day' render it impossible to take as literal the statement of the 'sign' given to the scribes and Pharisees, that He would be 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'..."


Not so. The Messiah said that He would be in the heart of the earth for three nights. He also said that He would rise after three days (Mark 8:31). And Luke 24:21 indicates that the crucifixion couldn't have taken place any later than the 5th day of the week. So when He says on the third day, He has to mean on the third day after, with 'after' being implied. There is nothing in the account that precludes at least a part of three night times being involved with His time in the heart of the earth. What is there that makes it absolutely necessary to not take the Messiah at His word?

Now back to the OP with it's clarification in post #256 and to the original question. Since you seem to be a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate, do you try to explain the missing night time of Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is using common idiomatic language of the period? And if so, what writing do you have to support that position?
 

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While i dont think it wrong to find answers to satisfy our mind, let us remember, the Bible was only intended to give us all that is needed for salvation, sanctification and edification. It does not give us all the answers and Jesus did not offer them to us. We are not asked to prove God or His word. He could write it in the skies if He so chose to, we are only told to believe on Him and avoid vain arguements.
Charles Finney had regrets that in his early days he explained too much, with had the effect of producing unbelief and cynicism instead of faith.
 
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