Three Days?

[Cooper]

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Now that we have enough textual evidence from post No.77 to prove that
Jesus Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day
rather than the end of the day, we can easily count backwards from the first
day of the week (Sunday) to determine which nights of the week factor into
his chronology per Matt 12:40.

3rd night was Saturday night

Second night was Friday night

First night was Thursday night.

Now we can easily deduce that Jesus ate his last supper during the hours of
Wednesday night.

Years ago when I was an inexperienced Christian, an atheist asked me how I
get three nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. Well; I was
stumped and humiliated because I didn't know what to say; but nowadays I
answer all such questions by simply stating that I am not a Catholic.
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Er... Jesus was crucified on Friday morning, and it went dark twice that day.

 

[Webers_Home]

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it went dark twice that day.

The hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion can't be counted as one of
the nights per Matt 12:40 because he lived thru it. In order for any hours of
darkness to count as one of the three nights, Jesus has to be in the heart of
the Earth at the time, i.e. deceased and buried.
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[Cooper]

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The hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion can't be counted as one of
the nights per Matt 12:40 because he lived thru it. In order for any hours of
darkness to count as one of the three nights, Jesus has to be in the heart of
the Earth at the time, i.e. deceased and buried.
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Jesus died when it went dark the first time.

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. (Matthew 27:45)

And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. (Luke 23:44-45)
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[Webers_Home]

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Jesus died when it went dark for the first time.

Do you honestly believe that the Jesus Christ spoken of in the New
Testament died on the cross twice, and was subsequently raised from the
dead twice?

According to a number of passages in the letter to Hebrews, Jesus offered
himself once. I cannot imagine what purpose or what value a second
offering of himself would serve. And if there was a second offering, surely
the New Testament would say so because that would be really important.
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[Ronald David Bruno]

Day One
Friday (evening) starts at sundown on Thursday
>>> He was arrested that night and brought first to the Pharisees, then to Pilate, then to Herod, then back to Pilate,
then sent to be scrourged , then back to Pilate and a vicious crowd, then the final decision, crucify Him, then Jesus, half dead already, carries His cross some 600 meters on Via Dolorosa to Golgatha (which could have taken him over an hour), then nailed to the cross and erected all by 9AM. How many hours did all that take? Take into consideration the time for transportation to and from each location, time for discussions and deliberations during each episode - so much of this had to have happened prior to sunrise Friday morning for Him gonna be been bailed to the cross by 9AM
Could we say that Jesus prior to His death suffered in the heart of the earth? He was in darkness and evil upon Him, though still alive, the first night counted. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and I will raise it in three days." John 2:19. Well they began destroying his temple the night before he was crucified. Jesus dies by 3PM and the bury him before the Saturday Sabbath begins.
Friday ends at sundown.
Day two
Saturday (evening) begins at sundown on Friday
Saturday ends at sundown.
Day three
Sunday (evening) starts at sundown on Saturday
Jesus rose from the dead in the morning.
Sunday ends at sundown.

Three nights and three days inclusive, not a full 72 hours.

 

[Cooper]

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Do you honestly believe that the Jesus Christ spoken of in the New
Testament died on the cross twice, and was subsequently raised from the
dead twice?

According to a number of passages in the letter to Hebrews, Jesus offered
himself once. I cannot imagine what purpose or what value a second
offering of himself would serve. And if there was a second offering, surely
the New Testament would say so because that would be really important.
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That is not what the Bible says, neither is it what I said.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

None of you care the least for Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:38,39. None of you care anything at all about what the Word of God is; none of you care a hell for God's Truth -- BECAUSE none of you take this verse into consideration in the light of the whole of God's Word: ABOUT JESUS' LAST PASSOVER SUFFERING.

NONE OF YOU WANT TO HEAR that "only when EVENING HAD COME, Joseph came there" while Jesus hung on the cross still "That Night".

No one of you has an answer to this PASSOVER TRUTH BUT TO IGNORE IT!

 

[Webers_Home]

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• 1Cor 10:6-7 . . Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written:
The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to play.

The Bible doesn't provide much detail at Ex 32:1-6 as to what went on in
camp while Moses was up on the mountain. But one thing we know for sure
is that there was a golden calf; and the "eat and drink" to which the apostle
refers was a ritual where people sacrificed to the calf and afterwards
consumed the sacrifice as an act of communion with it; as a sort of
unlicensed Passover celebration:

"Aaron answered them: Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your
sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me. So all the
people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took what they
handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it
with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you
up out of Egypt. (Ex 32:2-4)

Though the idol is singular, the grammar refers to it in the plural and that's
likely because the Hebrew word translated "gods" is a plural noun. That last
sentence really should say "this is your God, O Israel, who brought you up
out of Egypt" because the next two verses say that their celebration was in
honor of Jehovah. (vs. 5 and 6)

Now, it's true that Jesus is the captain of our salvation in a manner similar to
how Jehovah was the captain of their salvation; but I think we need to be
careful how we honor him in that capacity. In other words: it's probably a
good idea to avoid building a shrine for Jesus because sure enough people
will begin kneeling before it and praying to it and maybe even kissing its feet
so often that they wear one of its big toes down like Peter's in Rome.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

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[marks]

Could we say that Jesus prior to His death suffered in the heart of the earth? He was in darkness and evil upon Him, though still alive, the first night counted.

I thought Jesus said that just like Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the fish, He'd be 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. Isn't that more about location? That goes along with raising the temple again in three days. These are parallel.

Much love!

 

[marks]

"only when EVENING HAD COME, Joseph came there" while Jesus hung on the cross still "That Night".

That's a good point! No part of that day during which Jesus was crucified would be a part of the "3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.

Much love!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That's a good point! No part of that day during which Jesus was crucified would be a part of the "3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.

Your idea; no more. The Passover kill on 14th; bury on 15th, resurrect on 16th. WHAT FOR ARE YOU SO REBELLIOUS that you would rather hallucinate than take words for what they say they mean!

 

[Wrangler]

Day one

The inability to count is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. No one (in the western world) considers the day a baby turns 1 year old to be the day the baby was born but 1 year after the birth event. My first day on the job is not my one year anniversary on the job. Granted, I'm mixing days and years but the principle of counting is the same.

The moment I got married is not the day AFTER I got married. The moment Jesus was put in the ground is not Day One in terms of counting 3 days in the ground. When you count money, you do not count $1 until that entire $1 is put down as having been counted, i.e., you do not start counting 1 with $0 on the table.

The only reason for this peculiarity in counting is the tradition that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday @ sunrise. Neither are true, given Scripture and math. (One thing the last few posts got right but did not explicitly say is the Jewish day begins at sunset.) Not all Sabbath's are Saturday. Sure, that is the general Sabbath but Passover and many other holy days occur on other days, which are called special Sabbaths. To review the only math that works with Scriptural constraints is:

WEDNESDAY @ DUSK: Jesus is put in the ground. (t = 0)

THURSDAY @ DUSK: End of Day 1 complete.

FRIDAY @ DUSK: End of Day 2 complete.

SATURDAY @ DUSK: End of Day 3 complete.

When Mary came Sunday at dawn, she did not miss the greatest event in human history by moments. She missed it by some 12 hours. The Jewish Sunday begins Saturday at sunset. That is when Jesus was resurrected by God. Click here for more details.

 

[Webers_Home]

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The Hebrew word translated "sabbath" first appears in the Bible at Ex 16:3
and something like 112 times thereafter. The word is shabbath (shab
bawth') which, though it is often used to speak of the seventh day of the
week, actually means intermission, i.e, discontinuity, gap, hiatus, interim,
interlude, interregnum, interruption, interstice, interval, parenthesis, repose,
and/or pause, etc.

The seventh day of creation is in the sabbath category (Gen 2:2-3) and so
is the Feast of Trumpets and Yom Kippur. (Lev 16:29-34 & Lev 23:23-25)

Fact of the matter is; we may safely attest that any day, whether a special
day or not, wherein no manual labor is allowed, falls in the sabbath
category; which is not only Feast of Trumpets and Yom Kippur, but also the
first and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Ex 12:16)

The first day of the Feast of Unleavened bread commences with the Passover
lamb dinner, and when that first day is in very close proximity to the routine
weekly day of repose, it is very easy to overlook; consequently Seder night
often fails to be taken into proper account when people work up their
chronology of crucifixion week.

• John 19:31 . . The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the
bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that
sabbath day was an high day) besought Pilate that their legs might be
broken, and that they might be taken away.

The high day mentioned in that passage is very easily mistaken for the
routine weekly repose because it's called a sabbath; which is technically
correct, though terribly misleading for those of us brought to always think
of a sabbath day as the sabbath day, i.e. the seventh day of the week.
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[Wrangler]

Here is where different translations are helpful. "Special" implies different from general.

31 This day was Preparation day. The next day was a special Sabbath day.
John 19:31 (ERV)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I thought Jesus said that just like Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the fish, He'd be 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. Isn't that more about location? That goes along with raising the temple again in three days. These are parallel.

Much love!

I believe Jonah got swallowed, then after the waters engulfed him, his short prayer, he died. Physically he was in the belly, but his soul descended deeper than the ocean. "I cried from the depth of Sheol ...I descended to the roots of the mountains ... The earth with its bars around me forever, But You have brought me up my life from the pit ..."
So where is your heart? And what is the heart of the earth? Jesus beating was part of His payment/suffering on earth till He died. I don't see how we would not include that period of time in the 3 days. It was all that He suffered. He didn't suffer after He died. it was finished. Where did His spirit go? Some think He went to Hades. He said He would be in Paradise, the location where Abraham and all those Israelites who died with faith.

 

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• Jonah 1:17 . . Jehovah appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, so that
Jonah came to be in the inward parts of the fish three days and three nights.

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

A: No.

FAQ: So you think Jonah died in the fish?

A: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests that he drowned prior to being swallowed
by the big fish. In other words; there's cause to believe he wasn't buried
alive: same as Jesus; he wasn't buried alive either.

FAQ: The story claims Jonah prayed from within the fish. How's that possible
if he was dead?

A: Jonah's recorded prayer was spoken very close to the end of his
adventure: the bulk of those three days and three nights were practically
over and done with already. In other words; his recorded prayer fills in the
blanks.

For a portion of his time, Jonah was in a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2)
which he sited at the roots of the mountains (Jonah 2:6) and from which he
prayed an unrecorded prayer.

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no;
they're located down deep in the Earth. So, the only way that Jonah could
possibly be at the roots of the mountains while in the belly of a fish
simultaneously was for the man and his body to part company and go their
separate ways.

Also, the language of Jonah's recorded prayer strongly suggests that he
underwent a resurrection.

"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."
(Jonah 2:6)

The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse speaks of putrefaction.

The very same Hebrew word is located in Ps 16:8-10, which Acts 2:25-31
verifies is speaking of a dead body, i.e. a corpse.
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[marks]

Your idea; no more. The Passover kill on 14th; bury on 15th, resurrect on 16th. WHAT FOR ARE YOU SO REBELLIOUS that you would rather hallucinate than take words for what they say they mean!

Well that was rude and uncalled for.