Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[dad]

Can you explain how a resurrection body describes being born as a child and living 100 years?

It doesn't. That's why we know it is not.

Isaiah 65:20
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old

There is a stark contrast in a human who is resurrected, and one who is born through procreation.

Dying at any age is mortal.

So you as a resurrected human are not going to age into a child at any point after a resurrection.

Why would anyone age into a child?

A child born in the Millennium is not going to be a resurrected person from some time in the recent past.

Right, yet some will die, so they are human.

No one claims those resurrected will die. The claim is that some born during the Millennium will decide to disobey God. Thus they have to die, even if their body allowed them to live forever. It is not the state of the physical body.

There is no mention that those who die in the 1000 years do so because of some great sin. The verse I cited compares a sinner being cursed when old, to a man who dies at what is considered a very young age in the millennium. All are humans.

That will not be the reality in the Millennium. No one will be a sinner, nor in Adam's dead flesh and blood. But one can still choose to disobey God. They are just instantly dead.

If nations disobey they get a curse in that time. People still die. Did you think all this was some sinless immorality?

 

[Timtofly]

Funny how you make a statement as if it were the final ruling on the matter, rather than as an opinion. Sorry I do not subscribe to the yo yo doctrine of going up in the air with Him only to come right back down. What, He could not change us on the ground!? Then when we look at the bigger picture we also see the best fit for other events such as the marriage supper is also with a pre wrath Raptura. We also come back down with Jesus from heaven. So we should not harp on interpreting the Rapture voice of Jesus trumpet of the last days as being the trumpet blown by an angel that is part of the seven wrath trumpets. People who do that, I guess, expect the Bride to be here in the wrath. (though they religiously insist on calling it something else at all costs)

Then perhaps we do not return to earth but remain in Paradise. If the OT remained in Paradise for the last 1992 years, is there a logical reason why the church is not in Paradise for the last 1,000 years?

Certainly earth has always been for procreation and many generations of humans. Obviously the sons of God stopped hanging out on earth after the Flood. The OT redeemed did not hang out on earth after the first century. Now all of a sudden, those on earth, think the norm will change and that those who have gone on to Paradise will now suddenly hang out on earth after the Second Coming?

We know that the New Jerusalem comes down after the 1,000 years. Seems like jumping the gun to have the church on earth prior to that point.

 

[ewq1938]

Funny how you make a statement as if it were the final ruling on the matter, rather than as an opinion. Sorry I do not subscribe to the yo yo doctrine of going up in the air with Him only to come right back down. What, He could not change us on the ground!?

The changing of mortals into immortals happens on the ground before the rapture takes place. And yes, once all are gathered at one place in the clouds all will descend down following Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

This is the problem with Premillennialism, whether one is pre-trib or post-trib. Neither view can give a reasonable explanation for why we will be caught up to Christ "in the air" when He comes. But Amillennialsm has a reasonable explanation for it, which is that we will be caught up to meet Him in the air to avoid the wrath that will come down at that point which will result in "sudden destruction" by fire from which unbelievers "will not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

Premillennialism also understands that no saved person will be on the ground when the wrath of God happens so you are wrong about what Premillennialism understands there.

The point of the rapture is to lift up people no matter where they are on the Earth to bring them all to one place in the clouds, then all the saved are together and can follow Christ to above Armageddon to witness that slaughter happen. Only after that does Christ and his saints ever step upon the ground.

 

[Timtofly]

It doesn't. That's why we know it is not.

Isaiah 65:20
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old

Dying at any age is mortal.
Why would anyone age into a child?
Right, yet some will die, so they are human.



There is no mention that those who die in the 1000 years do so because of some great sin. The verse I cited compares a sinner being cursed when old, to a man who dies at what is considered a very young age in the millennium. All are humans.
If nations disobey they get a curse in that time. People still die. Did you think all this was some sinless immorality?

No, you are just missing the whole point. Your Millennium is just the same as Amil and postmill. You all just have the same old adamic sin nature running amok and God just sits back again doing nothing, but killing people.

 

[dad]

Then perhaps we do not return to earth but remain in Paradise.

Except that we return with Him to earth.

If the OT remained in Paradise for the last 1992 years, is there a logical reason why the church is not in Paradise for the last 1,000 years?

We will rule and reign with Him, what did you think that was by Zoom?

Certainly earth has always been for procreation and many generations of humans. Obviously the sons of God stopped hanging out on earth after the Flood. The OT redeemed did not hang out on earth after the first century. Now all of a sudden, those on earth, think the norm will change and that those who have gone on to Paradise will now suddenly hang out on earth after the Second Coming?

Will Jesus 'hang out' when ruling? My opinion is that we spend a lot of time on earth helping to rule, while our bases is in New Jerusalem.

We know that the New Jerusalem comes down after the 1,000 years. Seems like jumping the gun to have the church on earth prior to that point.

New Jerusalem is the place He went to prepare for us.

 

[dad]

No, you are just missing the whole point. Your Millennium is just the same as Amil and postmill. You all just have the same old adamic sin nature running amok and God just sits back again doing nothing, but killing people.

Well, the rebels might have intent to kill, but their attempt by surrounding the camp of the saints is ended in short order.

 

[dad]

The changing of mortals into immortals happens on the ground before the rapture takes place.

I see. Are you sure it is not 1 foot off the ground, or 2 inches, or 5 feet under in some cases, or up in the clouds? Why on the ground?

And yes, once all are gathered at one place in the clouds all will descend down following Christ.

In your mind they rush back down almost before they get up there, right?

 

[Timtofly]

Will Jesus 'hang out' when ruling? My opinion is that we spend a lot of time on earth helping to rule, while our bases is in New Jerusalem.

So the OT redeemed have come and gone from earth helping out ruling over the last 1992 years while their base is in Paradise?

 

[dad]

So the OT redeemed have come and gone from earth helping out ruling over the last 1992 years while their base is in Paradise?

Why would they have done that? Jesus only starts to rule after He returns.

 

[Timtofly]

Why would they have done that? Jesus only starts to rule after He returns.

Exactly, why would any one in Paradise come back to earth until the New Jerusalem itself descends?

You are the one declaring a pre-mature exodus of the New Jerusalem in heaven.

The church remains in Paradise during the Millennium reign of Christ on earth.

 

[dad]

Exactly, why would any one in Paradise come back to earth until the New Jerusalem itself descends?

Same reason Jesus does! We will rule here so that means spending some time here.

You are the one declaring a pre-mature exodus of the New Jerusalem in heaven.

The Rapture or second coming has zero to do with that invented little nugget.

The church remains in Paradise during the Millennium reign of Christ on earth.

We actually rule and reign with Him. Here. That requires some sort of presence.