While you may believe it is biblical, it has no basis in reality.
What's the current population of China? How many know the gospel right now?
How many have gone to the afterlife in ages past?
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To Hell and Back - Visiting Gehenna
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What's the current population of China? How many know the gospel right now?
How many have gone to the afterlife in ages past?
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Well, don't let God's Word get in the way of what you believe!
The scripture references I just posted prove God is giving everyone opportunity.
Jesus said if He is lifted up... He would draw ALL men unto Himself... very sad that you have choseen to not accept whjat Jesus said. Very sad for you!
I agree with that.
But not that it will all happen in this lifetime.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn...
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I just posted numerous scriptures showing the Lord has gone out of His way to make sure everyone has opportunity to get born again.
It would be unjust of God to hold someone responsible for something they never had access to.
They have access to the gospel in this life and nothing in scripture says there are any second chances after we leave this live.
If you are going to try and claim everyone that didn't get saved are sent to purgatory and leave of salvation there... there's no scripture that teaches this.
No one is saved by their own doing. Nothing is left to chance.
Your "proof-texts" are meaningless. You are presuming they mean something that they don't.
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That's a deflect and is not relevant to the fact that God is fair and gives everyone opportunity in this life to get born again.
Jesus went in to Abraham's bosom to preach to the old testament saints simply because they must be born again in order to be allowed in to Heaven... the whole reason why they were in Abraham's bosom was because God had counted them as saved... but they could not yet go to Heaven because the new birth had not become available yet until Jesus went to the Cross.
They came up out of the grave when Jesus was raised from the dead... from Abraham's bosom which was simply a temporary placed for old testament saints to wait until the new birth became available.
Now, there is no Abraham's bosom as there is not need for this place since the new birth has become available... when people die they either are absent from the body and present with the Lord in Heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8) , or is not born again or otherwise rejected by the Lord they go to hell where the rich man went to be tormented in the fire
Those who believe in purgatory are mistaken and cannot prove this place exists the way catholics teach it. Lots of folks here this and think they can intentionally live like the devil in this life and they'll have a second chance later in purgatory.
Back when I was a young man I used to party with guys that believed this (they were catholic) and there was few things they wouldn't be willing to do including murder (we were all on drugs)
Nothing I have posted would give the impression that we can save ourselves
That's your opinion. Many times people just cannot understand plain speech and other times people have been indoctrinated to believe a certain way and it matters not what God's Word says as they will believe the way they have been indoctrinated to believe.
So, when the future gets here we'll see how your opinions work out verses what God's Word plainly says.
Hell was done away with in revelation.
It seems people believe they live inbetween jesus and his victory cause they lack faith or fail to understand what God did through Christ.
@St. SteVen @Big Boy Johnson
It seems people believe they live inbetween jesus and his victory cause they lack faith or fail to understand what God did through Christ.
@St. SteVen @Big Boy Johnson
Also the Pharisees being warned that how will they escape the fires of ghenna was a literal happening, after Jesus had ascended.
The Pharisees probably mocked at this, because they believed they would have a proper burial, only to find out, people were thrown into ghenna.
It also is not on fire today.
The Pharisees probably mocked at this, because they believed they would have a proper burial, only to find out, people were thrown into ghenna.
It also is not on fire today.
Don't you realize how narrow minded that view is?
It's an evangelical fundamentalist apologetic. No one else believes that. - LOL
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Here’s plain speech…
At John 17:3, Jesus was praying to his Father and said,
“This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
(Here are some other renditions:
What does “only” mean to you? It’s ‘clear speech’.
Christ didn’t include himself.
And there is no valid grammatical altering that could change the meaning of that verse.
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Wait a minute….
I know this is a little old, but how do you mean this? As a quote?
Because I know this isn’t what you believe!
Aunty Jane
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It was a response to BBJ who said…..
My response was…..
”You are just spouting off the top of your head, with little understanding of the scripture you quote.
“Hell” (i.e. “Gehenna“ in his reply) is eternal death and yes, it is forever. The dead are not conscious so there can be no suffering. (Eccl 9:5, 10)
Thank you for clarifying this! I thought I misunderstood. I did. Sorry.
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