Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[1stCenturyLady]

It's not an error it's fact. Read the salutation in 1 Cor 1:2. "To the church of God which is at Corinth". Is that you? Is that any of us today? No, it's your error and lack of understanding scripture.

They may have been written to one church, but they were commanded to pass each letter to other churches. Don't let 1 Corinthians 14:38 be true of you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Not my intention.

Pointing out exactly what I said:

nobody can apply to himself everything that Jesus said to the apostles ... it is not only being naive but also daring.

No person today performs the miracles of the prophets, nor those of the apostles, much less those of Jesus.

It is obvious that those things that the early Christians did were done because they were in Jerusalem when the holy spirit was poured out from heaven upon them, or received the power after a laying on of hands by some of them. Obviously, those who were not there do not have to imagine that they are going to do the same things that they could do only as a result of that investment.

There is no document from the second century onwards where we are shown a Catholic repeating the same kind of powerful works that the apostles did. Actually, if the holy spirit was going to bestow modern-day Christians with the same gifts, there would be no need to tell other believers what criteria they should use to identify the true ones:

Matt. 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.

There is a subtle difference between FRUITS and POWERFUL WORKS.

Gal. 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

John 13:35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”

... an other works like the preaching (Matt. 28:19,20).

We can heal the sick and raise the dead. We can also cast out demons. So what more do you want?

 

[ElieG12]

We can heal the sick and raise the dead. We can also cast out demons. So what more do you want?

Can you?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Can you?

Of course!

Mark 16:16-18
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

This is not just about the apostles.

Are you a believing Christian? Or an unbelieving facsimile? Proverbs 23:7

 

[ElieG12]

Of course!

Mark 16:16-18
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

This is not just about the apostles.

I don't see any of YOU (whatever you mean with WE) doing those works.

You quoting a biblical passage (that is not even in most modern translations) does not prove that YOU (those you call WE) do anything of what it says.

Are you playing some kind of game? Is there any modern Christian resurrecting people out of dead? I don't see any of that on the TV ... Everyone would be talking about it. ;)

 

[amigo de christo]

It's not an error it's fact. Read the salutation in 1 Cor 1:2. "To the church of God which is at Corinth". Is that you? Is that any of us today? No, it's your error and lack of understanding scripture.

Rather odd . Even cessationist make the claim the CANON was inspired by GOD .
That TILL we had the complete book they make the claim the gifts were needed .
BUT THEN they go and try and omit things from the very BOOK they claim was inspired by GOD
when it exposes their agenda . That my friend is a dangerous place to be in .
CAUSE i believe one thing the cessationsist had right , and that is this . THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK
it was inspired by GOD and by that book we must test all things , all men who do speak .
YET , even the cessationists cannot agree to their own words on that .
Now david showed you TRUTH . Dont be as many , remember the reason why the canon
was put together in the first place . As peter once wrote
I will find a way for you to have these things ALWAYS in remembrance . THEY DID , they got the letters together .
FOR THE CHURCH throughOUT ALL AGES TILL JESUS DO COME .
Please rethink things my friend . I will be praying for you too . My desire is good for you .

 

[David in NJ]

It's not an error it's fact. Read the salutation in 1 Cor 1:2. "To the church of God which is at Corinth". Is that you? Is that any of us today? No, it's your error and lack of understanding scripture.

So you do not believe verses 2 thru 9

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I don't see any of YOU (whatever you mean with WE) doing those works.

You quoting a biblical passage (that is not even in most modern translations) does not prove that YOU (those you call WE) do anything of what it says.

Are you playing some kind of game? Is there any modern Christian resurrecting people out of dead? I don't see any of that on the TV ... Everyone would be talking about it. ;)

TV is run by the devil. And so is the News.

 

[ElieG12]

So, you think I am gonna believe that YOU (whoever you call WE) do powerful works just because you say so, right?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Good night David and amigo. Bed time for me.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So, you think I am gonna believe that YOU (whoever you call WE) do powerful works just because you say so, right?

I don't know you. But I know God, and He knows me. He is In me, and I am in Him. Do you know Him like that?

Matthew 7:
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[ElieG12]

I don't know you. But I know God, and He knows me. He is In me, and I am in Him. Do you know Him like that?

Yeah, good night ... and learn how to dance.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah, good night ... and learn how to dance.

I have seen many who can dance quite well . as they dance all over the scrips twisting truth unto their own destruction .
But i got good news . the lambs DONT DANCE to their tune . BIBLE TIME .
read it , love it , embrace it , believe what JESUS and all the apostels wrote . BELIEVE IT as does a child .

 

[David in NJ]

Good night David and amigo. Bed time for me.

Good Night,
Same here

Peace

 

[amigo de christo]

TV is run by the devil. And so is the News.

Yeah my advice is folks had better cut them off and right now . Its high time we get dug in those bibles .
cause TRUTH wont be coming from TV OR THE NEWS . ITS ALLL about a wicked agenda now , has been .

 

[Cassandra]

Would somebody please tell all of these folk who can heal and resurrect to head to places like St. Jude's Hospital , and go heal all those poor children, and if any have passed just before they get there, to please resurrect them?

 

[MatthewG]

Who decides what truth is?
And don't say, "The Bible." There is no consensus on what it means.

Hello,

Ill answer this.

Jesus Christ lived life through the narrative of the Gospels; according to later sources; Jesus was the one whom manifested the name of God in front of others.

The truth is; even though it takes faith God exist; God set a world that was in the wrong, as it originally was through His Son; due to the first ones who chose not to listen to God, even after establishing his own people.

Truth in my opinion is to love. Self-lessly. And to have faith and to seek out truth with a captial T; to be set free from bondage.

John 8:31-32​

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English Standard Version​

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The Truth Will Set You Free​

31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

 

[St. SteVen]

One of His titles best translates to "despot". Do you have a problem with that?

Say what?

God is THE cosmic Tyrant, there is none higher than He.

Human tyrants are LOWER. Why would a cosmic tyrant be HIGHER?

Torture is your word.

Well, we are taking about incinerating humans. Does torture seem inappropriate?
Amazed that I have to explain this, my good fellow.

"What if" (LOL), but what if, evil unrepented forever becomes more evil?

Well, what makes humankind evil now?
Will we be under that same influence in the afterlife?
And even if we were, it would be out in the open, no longer concealed in mystery.
The unseen enemy will be quite visible, don't you think?
What would make "evil" even more evil in the afterlife?

Will we not know, even as we are known?

What if the suffering of the flames ceased you from your evil, and arrested your degeneracy? Now it's my turn to speak like a fool!

Yes, what if?
And frankly, I don't think the fire is intended to burn us, but to burn up the wood, hay, and stubble.
Which you should be familiar with.

You see judgment as vindictive, I see it as an evaluation.
You see the flames as suffering, I see them as curative.
You see punishment with no purpose.
I see correction and restoration.

I see ultimate redemption, the absolute triumph of grace.
God saving to the uttermost.

The traditional view leaves an eternal mess of unending sorrow.
I had hoped for better. Is this the best you can do? Tragic.

What if God knows something you don't, and what if you are denying truth because you don't have His understanding?

Well... that saw cuts both ways.

What if God is love? What if his mercies never end?
What if his redemptive plan is for all of humankind?
What if it doesn't hinge on our "free will" choice?
What if Christ accomplished what he was sent to do?
What if the Atonement was a complete work?

Unthinkable, I know. (horrors)

 

[amigo de christo]

Would somebody please tell all of these folk who can heal and resurrect to head to places like St. Jude's Hospital , and go heal all those poor children, and if any have passed just before they get there, to please resurrect them?

Not wise to mock the works of the Spirit . The apostels like peter and a few had
ressurected some folks . But take note , they didnt go around to hospitals or places healing all and ressurrecting all .
It was only a few who got ressurected . Dorcas is one of them .
Notice it didnt say and everywhere peter went he entered into hospitals , healed all , ressurected all .
Your case proves nothing .
Now if you want to talk about the charasmetic movement , A massive and troublesome and deadly dire problem
has arisen in those . They prophesy for money , their healings seem to be attached to the idea to give money .
THEY work as does simeon . And barking like dogs and acting the clown and walking around on leashes
YEAH that aint coming from the SPIRIT . But just because those folks sold out and entertain for money
dont mean the gifts themselves are not still real .
David was healed of prostrate cancer . HEALED and in an instant too .
And i say TO GOD BE THE GLORY TOO .
Lets not mock the gifts of the SPIRIT nor those who still believe they do exist .
Rather let us learn our bible and stop heeding men who taught cessationsim .
OR men who teach any other doctrine which contradicts the very bible they cliam to follow .
All the gifts are still the same as they were in the days of the apostles .
Now lets examine something . HOW come JESUS could not heal many sick folks in an area .
BECAUSE of their ................................UNBELIEF . We can happily talk about that too .
The gifts are and were never meant to be used for money , power , control
And many who claim , within the charasmetic movment to have certain gifts
you know like benny hinn , or etc , Have you ever noticed its all a set up for stage , camera
and certain individuals get called . I SEE A SHOW GOING ON in a lot of it .
Dont let the bad seeds whose love is for entertainment and money cause you unbelief in the REAL DEAL .
Rather read the bible for YOU . For you dear sister . FOR YOU and then believe as does a child
Not all have every gift either . Remember the gifts are spread abroad in the body .

 

[amigo de christo]

Would somebody please tell all of these folk who can heal and resurrect to head to places like St. Jude's Hospital , and go heal all those poor children, and if any have passed just before they get there, to please resurrect them?

Remember how it is written in acts that the LORD had given special powers to paul .
They even had brought cloths and etc and gave them to some of the sick and they were healed .
Now watch this .
WHEN paul was writing to timothy notice he also said your constant infirmities .
Drink , use a little wine .
Not everyone gets healed the same way . THERE is a reason GOD does as HE does .
I know , i know the charasmetic movement again destroys this .
But as i said , Dont let the false persauded you the gifts no longer exist .
Just cause they do as they do , dont mean gifts are not still real .
GOD will use WHOM HE will use and GOD will give whatever gift to a soul for the reason
of edifying the church , spreading the gospel . Dont let the todd whites , copelands
and scores of others in the charasmetic movement try and convince you its all a dog and pony show .
SURE they do a dog and pony show for money and etc , BUT the true gifts are still available unto the body of Christ
for the GLORY OF GOD and not for men to seek their own glory and fame .