Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[amigo de christo]

Would somebody please tell all of these folk who can heal and resurrect to head to places like St. Jude's Hospital , and go heal all those poor children, and if any have passed just before they get there, to please resurrect them?

Well you can rest assured the kennys and the bennys wont be trying to heal anyone if money and fame aint involved .
Yes i do have a serious problem with many within the charasmetic movment .
And the whoppers of doctrine i have heard from that camp , is horrendous as well .
But then me has heard a lot of whoppers in a lot of churches , not just the charasmetic nar group either .
Would you like to hear the biggest whopper of them all .
ITS this other love , unity , lets be one that accepts sins and other religoins as acceptable to GOD .
THEY DONE REMOVED THE TRUE GOSPEL . And the saddest thing is
Under this false sensual love many are buying into a very broad and universal path to GOD .
KNOW anyone like that do ya . Sure you do . they holler love love love non stop
but know NOT THE LOVE OF GOD . They holler unity unity unity
but know not the UNITY OF GOD .
They holler judge not hater anytime one tries to correct . They embrace a very dark rainbow too .
and the longer this has went on the more they call evil good and good evil .
Know anyone under that kind of spell . sure we do , dont we .
SEE it starts very small . A hint if you or anyone has sat in churches
who loved and embraced rick warrens purpose driven lie , YOU BEEN IN ONE
Ever sat in a seeker friendly church , THEN you are sitting in one and worse they do get over time too .
Have you ever heard the phrase finding common ground . bridge builders , alpha course ,
breaking down walls . THEN YOU ARE SITTING IN ONE that is being infected by this move .
WHEN i said we been in deceptive times , OH BOY i was not kidding .
have you ever heard those phrases . Exactly . i would not be suprised if you have .
Cause as i said they came within to break down the fundamental truths , remove them
and to replace it with a love that is not OF GOD and rather it just gets worse and worse over time .
Just a real super duper friendly reminder . WE BETTER WATCH OUT is all i can say .
Now , lets go open our bibles and get real friendly WITH THAT DOCTRINE .

 

[Cassandra]

Not wise to mock the works of the Spirit . The apostels like peter and a few had
ressurected some folks . But take note , they didnt go around to hospitals or places healing all and ressurrecting all .
It was only a few who got ressurected . Dorcas is one of them .
Notice it didnt say and everywhere peter went he entered into hospitals , healed all , ressurected all .
Your case proves nothing .
Now if you want to talk about the charasmetic movement , A massive and troublesome and deadly dire problem
has arisen in those . They prophesy for money , their healings seem to be attached to the idea to give money .
THEY work as does simeon . And barking like dogs and acting the clown and walking around on leashes
YEAH that aint coming from the SPIRIT . But just because those folks sold out and entertain for money
dont mean the gifts themselves are not still real .
David was healed of prostrate cancer . HEALED and in an instant too .
And i say TO GOD BE THE GLORY TOO .
Lets not mock the gifts of the SPIRIT nor those who still believe they do exist .
Rather let us learn our bible and stop heeding men who taught cessationsim .
OR men who teach any other doctrine which contradicts the very bible they cliam to follow .
All the gifts are still the same as they were in the days of the apostles .
Now lets examine something . HOW come JESUS could not heal many sick folks in an area .
BECAUSE of their ................................UNBELIEF . We can happily talk about that too .
The gifts are and were never meant to be used for money , power , control
And many who claim , within the charasmetic movment to have certain gifts
you know like benny hinn , or etc , Have you ever noticed its all a set up for stage , camera
and certain individuals get called . I SEE A SHOW GOING ON in a lot of it .
Dont let the bad seeds whose love is for entertainment and money cause you unbelief in the REAL DEAL .
What we overcome is our pride and that thinking that we don't need to hear from t

My case proves nothing?? Here you go, getting on me again, when I was clearly being sarcastic.
I'll spell it out for you: If these guys claim to heal, why don't they go to hospitals esp where sick children are, and heal them? It's because they can't. I see a show , too.
That was my post. It was not saying there was healing going on, it was saying if folks really could heal, they would be actually using it.

Please try to read what I write instead on jumping on me at every turn. And it is not necessary to quote me 3 times.


And btw, I read my Bible daily. I am not carried around by every wind of doctrine. I am so tired of you telling me that.
Go quote somebody else 3 times.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Well, what makes humankind evil now?
Will we be under that same influence in the afterlife?

Revelation 22:11
11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him [a]be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Looks like your heaven will soon have Hitler running things.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Would somebody please tell all of these folk who can heal and resurrect to head to places like St. Jude's Hospital , and go heal all those poor children, and if any have passed just before they get there, to please resurrect them?

Isn't it funny that these folks that can do it themselves, try to provoke others to do it for them?

 

[David in NJ]

Do you have a problem with God being called a Despot?

Much love!

Are you saying that 'Home Depot' is Heaven?

 

[amigo de christo]

My case proves nothing?? Here you go, getting on me again, when I was clearly being sarcastic.
I'll spell it out for you: If these guys claim to heal, why don't they go to hospitals esp where sick children are, and heal them? It's because they can't. I see a show , too.
That was my post. It was not saying there was healing going on, it was saying if folks really could heal, they would be actually using it.

Please try to read what I write instead on jumping on me at every turn. And it is not necessary to quote me 3 times.


And btw, I read my Bible daily. I am not carried around by every wind of doctrine. I am so tired of you telling me that.
Go quote somebody else 3 times.

The prosperity gospel charasmetic preachers are false . Oops i said it . I know to this generation
that seemth so unkind , so judgmental , so non loving . But its the truth and i expose them .
But this dont mean the gifts are not still available to the true lambs .
As far as benny hinn and copeland and others . I AGREE they cannot heal . Its all a show .
That is part of the reason they dont go . cause they know they cannot heal . ITS a dog and pony show for money is all it is .
However again , there is still the true gift of healing . IT still exists . Only those kinds of folks
You wont hear about , they aint popular . CAUSE THEY DONT DO their works to be seen of men . ITS STILL REAL SISTER .
Dont let the bad seeds fool ya . And also dont let the cessationists fool ya .

 

[Cassandra]

Oops i said it . I know to this generation
that seemth so unkind , so judgmental , so non loving . But its the truth and i expose them .

Can you stop it with me, please? You just ramble, and when somebody tells you what they posted and what they believe, instead of saying sorry, I didn't understand, you ramble about something else.
Please put me on ignore, and I'll do the same for you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you saying that 'Home Depot' is Heaven?

The gift of healing and all the gifts still exist my friend . As i know you know .
Somone here on this site was diagnosed with prostrate cancer
they prayed to GOD and Were healed . I bet you might know who i am talking about too my friend .
THE LORD still heals and all gifts are still available for the church . CAUSE JESUS , GOD , DONT change .
ITS there for us to edify the lambs , to promote the gospel . TILL JESUS DOES COME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you stop it with me, please? You just ramble, and when somebody tells you what they posted and what they believe, instead of saying sorry, I didn't understand, you ramble about something else.
Please put me on ignore, and I'll do the same for you.

I put none on ignore . Not even jim who followed me around with his relenteless attacks .
You , my dear sister you may do as you please .
As for me , i am here to speak truth and correct error as well .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The reasons for speaking in tongues would parallel or equal [I believe] the reasons for Jesus speaking parables:

Mt 13:13	Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mt 13:14	And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:15	For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mt 13:16	But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

I speak in tongues a lot each day during my daily conversations with God. Sometimes I do not understand, but sometimes He does give me understanding to edify me and/or to help someone else. Let us not limit God by defining what is or is not possible for Him nor for what He does or not use to accomplish His purposes:

Isa 55:8	For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9	For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

I do not think that is an equal comparison. Teh Parables were spoken to hide th etruth from the masses, while tongues was for the spreading of the gospel to other languages, or in a "prayer tongue", to edify the individual believer so that they may edify the church.

Were they not also spoken to the disciples for them to understand Jesus' message? He could have remained silent as he did at the right times, but he spoke because it was time to speak... but who was supposed to hear and understand His message?


Did not Jesus speak His parables to edify those who were give understanding?

you answered this yourself in quoting Mt. 13 above.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[DJT_47]

They may have been written to one church, but they were commanded to pass each letter to other churches. Don't let 1 Corinthians 14:38 be true of you.

They were passed on 2000 years ago

 

[Bob Estey]

I'm not denying Pentecost, Bob. I'm telling you what actually happened. It was more supernatural than you have grasped. There was a miracle that you are not even acknowledging, so I'm not the one denying the power of God. You are.

More supernatural? They all began speaking in other tongues (Acts 2:4), and each heard the gospel in the language they spoke (Acts 2:8).

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They were passed on 2000 years ago

They now make up our New Testament. Do you live by the Old Testament Ten Commandments?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

More supernatural? They all began speaking in other tongues (Acts 2:4), and each heard the gospel in the language they spoke (Acts 2:8).

The natural mind cannot comprehend the spiritual nor the supernatural power of God.

Bob, are you in a reformed denomination that doesn't teach much on the Holy Spirit?

 

[Bob Estey]

The natural mind cannot comprehend the spiritual nor the supernatural power of God.

Bob, are you in a reformed denomination that doesn't teach much on the Holy Spirit?

Not everything is of the supernatural. You and I are communicating without supernatural power.

During the Pentecost, people were speaking in languages they didn't even know - God can do that.

But you don't believe that. It doesn't matter. The result was the same.

And if you want to speak in tongues to God, that is fine. But Paul told us not to do it in church - that way it doesn't become a status symbol.

I don't know if my denomination is reformed or not, but most of my learning, I think, has come from my walk with the Lord, not from anything a preacher said.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Not everything is of the supernatural. You and I are communicating without supernatural power.

During the Pentecost, people were speaking in languages they didn't even know - God can do that.

But you don't believe that. It doesn't matter. The result was the same.

And if you want to speak in tongues to God, that is fine. But Paul told us not to do it in church - that way it doesn't become a status symbol.

I don't know if my denomination is reformed or not, but most of my learning, I think, has come from my walk with the Lord, not from anything a preacher said.

Bob, the disciples were speaking in tongues. There was 120 of them all speaking supernaturally a foreign language they did not know. So out of 120 languages, how did the devout Jews who were hearing this, understand their language out of the cacophony of 120 voices.

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob, the disciples were speaking in tongues. There was 120 of them all speaking supernaturally a foreign language they did not know. So out of 120 languages, how did the devout Jews who were hearing this, understand their language out of the cacophony of 120 voices.

I have a question for you: When someone "teaches" you something, do you automatically believe it, or do you have to understand it first?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I have a question for you: When someone "teaches" you something, do you automatically believe it, or do you have to understand it first?

I mull it over and over and try to figure it out. The Day of Pentecost was one of them because I was writing my book on tongues. I couldn't figure out why 1 Corinthians 14:2 said that man could not understand tongues when the Jews on the Day of Pentecost could. So I prayed. (the first gift I received of the gifts of the Spirit was hearing God's voice. The hearing gifts are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy and Interpretation of Tongues. They all require being able to literally converse with God.) Anyway, I went to sleep mulling this question over. The next morning as I was just becoming conscious, God spoke and said one word, "Interpretation."

 

[Bob Estey]

I mull it over and over and try to figure it out. The Day of Pentecost was one of them because I was writing my book on tongues. I couldn't figure out why 1 Corinthians 14:2 said that man could not understand tongues when the Jews on the Day of Pentecost could. So I prayed. (the first gift I received of the gifts of the Spirit was hearing God's voice. The hearing gifts are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy and Interpretation of Tongues. They all require being able to literally converse with God.) Anyway, I went to sleep mulling this question over. The next morning as I was just becoming conscious, God spoke and said one word, "Interpretation."

You and I believe it's okay for women to speak when they are in a church, even though Paul said otherwise. Is that the only thing you disagree with Paul about?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You and I believe it's okay for women to speak when they are in a church, even though Paul said otherwise. Is that the only thing you disagree with Paul about?

Only things he says that I know are false.

For instance in the Garden of Eden, they didn't know they were naked when Eve believed Satan. She didn't sin intentionally against God, but wanted to be like Him. She had never known what evil was, and Satan was committing the very first sin. Her sin was a "sin not unto death."

Adam was with her. He willfully ate of it making his sin a "sin unto death." Only then did they KNOW they were naked.

But Paul only mentions Eve, when hers was the lesser of the two. Also this was Paul's opinion, not a commandment from God as in 1 Corinthians 7
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say:.....

1 Timothy 2
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

That is hardly all there is to know about Adam.