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That is the popular opinion and could be correct. However there is a risk about making assumptions where the Scripture isn't absolutely clear, which in this case it isn't.
Thank you. However that was not the point of my post to GTW27 in my two posts #510, 511.
You are right. But in such cases, we should not be dogmatic about it. We should however take a position. A position that does not go against the truth of the gospel. A position that does not take away the glory of God. A position that we think is consistent with truth.
The problem is that some ultra-spiritual folk have used what Paul said to validate their claims of being caught up to heaven and meeting Jesus. I don't believe any of it, because I think that when people end up in heaven they don't come back.
In the large scheme of things, it doesn't really matter whether Paul was talking of himself or of someone else he knows of. Just as a matter of interest I wondered why Paul used the word "oika" instead of "ginosko", so I looked it up and discovered that "ginosko" is used when objective knowledge is used. Paul uses the word when he says that we will know as we are known. But when he says "Know not that you are the temple of the Holy Spirit" he uses oika. It is interesting that the Gospel writer uses "oika" when he quotes Jesus saying, "He who knows me know the Father".
I don't know about oika
So I assume you know this from first-hand experience? You think...but I know! Are you jealous? You do realize that you are calling people like me liars...or worse. Please have a shred of decency and don't do this on my thread! Bub.
What, what, what?? If I had made my comment on the Spiritual gifts forum, you might have a point, and anyway, I wouldn't do that on a protected forum. But this is a general theology forum where each member has their own point of view. I wasn't aware of your experience. If I did, I may not have been so direct about it. So for goodness sake calm down and realise that people have different experiences and points of view. I never treat my personal experiences as a "sacred cow" that makes me think that when people disagree with me they are attacking me. I have been opposed on the issue of tongues by some of the most ardent anti-tongues members, and I have remained calm and respectful, and have answered them from what I see in the Scriptures.
I don't like being called a liar. Especially by someone, who when it comes to spiritual matters, doesn't know their hiney from a hole in the ground. Go start your own thread! Oh, and make sure you tattle-tale on me.
While the angel could have given Cornelius the Gospel directly, he did not have the mandate from the Lord to do that. His role was to do what the Lord instructed. The mandate was for the human disciples of Christ to preach the Gospel, and that Peter, being the most available person near to where Cornelius lived, he would be the most appropriate. As it was said in this thread already, it was just as much for Peter and the other Apostles that it happened this way. If the angel had given the Gospel directly, there would be no outside human witnesses that the Gospel had come to the Gentiles as well as the Jews, because up until that time, the Gospel was preached to the Jews only. Therefore, the intention was that Peter goes and preaches the Gospel to the Gentile household, witnesses the Holy Spirit falling on them in the same way that He fell on the disciples at Pentecost, and then for Peter and his companions to go to Jerusalem to testify to the other Apostles what happened.
It is such a shame that you have taken this so personally and are so angry about it.
It's a shame you chose to mock the "super-spiritual" the way you did. You only highlighted your ignorance and stood in the way of others receiving what they need. But you won't take a look at yourself here because you don't think you need to. You ever hear of, "spiritual pride?"
Oh no. It is theoretical. No correct answer.You got the drop on me here. You can answer that one yourself!
In the parable of the sower, Jesus described preaching the gospel as broadcasting seed, rather than planting one seed at a time. As a result of broadcasting the seed, some would fall on hard ground, some in rocky soil, some among weeds and some in good soil.
The best thing anyone can do, is forget man’s doctrines and go and read the KJV Bibles for ourselves.
