'Tophet' (Lake of Fire) is the Goddess 'Vesta'. She is the Moment of Conception.

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The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire. But where did the word Tophet come from? Why is that another name for the Lake of Fire?

Let us examine these verses…

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
“For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Here is another translation…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Notice the word ‘Hearth’? That is our first clue. ‘Tophet’ is synonymous with the word ‘Hearth’.

The word Tophet has its origins from the Old Testament and the ‘Everlasting Fire’ of God that was to always be burning in the Brazen Altar…

Leviticus 6:13
“The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”


Esh means Fire…

Jah means Jehovah…

Together they form ‘Esh-Jah’, the Fire of the LORD. Why is this important? According to the Scholars, the word Tophet is another name for a Goddess called ‘Vesta’…

“…it is well known that the Romans had their goddess Vesta, whom Velleius Paterculus calls the keeper of the perpetual fires; and there were certain virgins, called the "vestal" virgins, whose business it was to take care that the fire never went out; and is by Virgil called the eternal fire

“…and Vesta itself is thought by some learned men to be the same with (hy-va) "Esh-jah", the fire of Jehovah…”


Vesta is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Hestia. Note that Hestia is the Sister of Hades. The word ‘Hades’ is used in the Bible several times. Thus, it is no surprise that Hesta/Vesta would be in the Bible as well.

Vesta/Hestia is the Goddess of the Hearth…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


And now that we have established that the Biblical 'Tophet' is the same as the Goddess 'Vesta', we can study who Vesta was to gain insight as to what the Lake of Fire is really all about.

What we discover is that Vesta’s (Tophet’s) image was almost never depicted in art. Why?

“The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being.”


Now isn't that something? According to the Bible and other reputable sources, the Lake of Fire is none other than the Moment of Conception. Talk about Baptism of Fire!

Why is this extremely important detail not taught? Are the Churches hiding something from us?

Here is another source...

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Were any of you aware if this?
 
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The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire. But where did the word Tophet come from? Why is that another name for the Lake of Fire?

Let us examine these verses…

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
“For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Here is another translation…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Notice the word ‘Hearth’? That is our first clue. ‘Tophet’ is synonymous with the word ‘Hearth’.

The word Tophet has its origins from the Old Testament and the ‘Everlasting Fire’ of God that was to always be burning in the Brazen Altar…

Leviticus 6:13
“The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”


Esh means Fire…

Jah means Jehovah…

Together they form ‘Esh-Jah’, the Fire of the LORD. Why is this important? According to the Scholars, the word Tophet is another name for a Goddess called ‘Vesta’…

“…it is well known that the Romans had their goddess Vesta, whom Velleius Paterculus calls the keeper of the perpetual fires; and there were certain virgins, called the "vestal" virgins, whose business it was to take care that the fire never went out; and is by Virgil called the eternal fire

“…and Vesta itself is thought by some learned men to be the same with (hy-va) "Esh-jah", the fire of Jehovah…”


Vesta is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Hestia. Note that Hestia is the Sister of Hades. The word ‘Hades’ is used in the Bible several times. Thus, it is no surprise that Hesta/Vesta would be in the Bible as well.

Vesta/Hestia is the Goddess of the Hearth…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


And now that we have established that the Biblical 'Tophet' is the same as the Goddess 'Vesta', we can study who Vesta was to gain insight as to what the Lake of Fire is really all about.

What we discover is that Vesta’s (Tophet’s) image was almost never depicted in art. Why?

“The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being.”


Now isn't that something? According to the Bible and other reputable sources, the Lake of Fire is none other than the Moment of Conception. Talk about Baptism of Fire!

Why is this extremely important detail not taught? Are the Churches hiding something from us?

Here is another source...


Were any of you aware if this?
The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire.
Yes sir great call and insight. Was a very fitting symbol for gehenna, which Jesus used to show what was going to happen for those who choose not to stand on God's side. The disgusting apostate kings Ahaz and Manasseh sacrificed children in the fire there, and there in Isa 30:33 you quoted for the destruction that was to come upon Assyria.
 
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There are many that will despise the monumental Revelation being presented in the OP. And there is plenty more where that came from.

Imagine spending an entire Lifetime defending the biggest lie ever told... that a Loving God "Burns and torments most of his Creation for infinity". That is a LOT of sowing that needs to be accounted for.

The entire planet has had enough of the lies, hatred and exceeding hubris. If Christians do not wake up soon and repent, I would not be surprised if God begins to work some serious chastisement in their lives.

FYI...

Personal attacks do not help your cause. Moreover, they reveal your True Spirit.
 

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The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire. But where did the word Tophet come from? Why is that another name for the Lake of Fire?

Let us examine these verses…

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
“For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Here is another translation…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Notice the word ‘Hearth’? That is our first clue. ‘Tophet’ is synonymous with the word ‘Hearth’.

The word Tophet has its origins from the Old Testament and the ‘Everlasting Fire’ of God that was to always be burning in the Brazen Altar…

Leviticus 6:13
“The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”


Esh means Fire…

Jah means Jehovah…

Together they form ‘Esh-Jah’, the Fire of the LORD. Why is this important? According to the Scholars, the word Tophet is another name for a Goddess called ‘Vesta’…

“…it is well known that the Romans had their goddess Vesta, whom Velleius Paterculus calls the keeper of the perpetual fires; and there were certain virgins, called the "vestal" virgins, whose business it was to take care that the fire never went out; and is by Virgil called the eternal fire

“…and Vesta itself is thought by some learned men to be the same with (hy-va) "Esh-jah", the fire of Jehovah…”


Vesta is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Hestia. Note that Hestia is the Sister of Hades. The word ‘Hades’ is used in the Bible several times. Thus, it is no surprise that Hesta/Vesta would be in the Bible as well.

Vesta/Hestia is the Goddess of the Hearth…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


And now that we have established that the Biblical 'Tophet' is the same as the Goddess 'Vesta', we can study who Vesta was to gain insight as to what the Lake of Fire is really all about.

What we discover is that Vesta’s (Tophet’s) image was almost never depicted in art. Why?

“The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being.”


Now isn't that something? According to the Bible and other reputable sources, the Lake of Fire is none other than the Moment of Conception. Talk about Baptism of Fire!

Why is this extremely important detail not taught? Are the Churches hiding something from us?

Here is another source...


Were any of you aware if this?
Nothing mysterious about this.... associated with child sacrifices to the deity Molech.
 

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Nothing mysterious about this...

So, the Lake of Fire being synonymous with conception and giving birth to children is a common teaching in the Church?

Ironically, there really is something Mysterious here. That is part of her name.

... associated with child sacrifices to the deity Molech.

Who or what is Molech according to Scripture? What is the ultimate meaning here?

If God made the Lake of Fire synonymous with Gehenna and all that was done there, should not there be an overall plan and/or message of Salvation involved here? How does Molech fit with God's Love and overall plan of Salvation?
 

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The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire. But where did the word Tophet come from? Why is that another name for the Lake of Fire?

Let us examine these verses…

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
“For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Here is another translation…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Notice the word ‘Hearth’? That is our first clue. ‘Tophet’ is synonymous with the word ‘Hearth’.

The word Tophet has its origins from the Old Testament and the ‘Everlasting Fire’ of God that was to always be burning in the Brazen Altar…

Leviticus 6:13
“The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”


Esh means Fire…

Jah means Jehovah…

Together they form ‘Esh-Jah’, the Fire of the LORD. Why is this important? According to the Scholars, the word Tophet is another name for a Goddess called ‘Vesta’…

“…it is well known that the Romans had their goddess Vesta, whom Velleius Paterculus calls the keeper of the perpetual fires; and there were certain virgins, called the "vestal" virgins, whose business it was to take care that the fire never went out; and is by Virgil called the eternal fire

“…and Vesta itself is thought by some learned men to be the same with (hy-va) "Esh-jah", the fire of Jehovah…”


Vesta is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Hestia. Note that Hestia is the Sister of Hades. The word ‘Hades’ is used in the Bible several times. Thus, it is no surprise that Hesta/Vesta would be in the Bible as well.

Vesta/Hestia is the Goddess of the Hearth…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


And now that we have established that the Biblical 'Tophet' is the same as the Goddess 'Vesta', we can study who Vesta was to gain insight as to what the Lake of Fire is really all about.

What we discover is that Vesta’s (Tophet’s) image was almost never depicted in art. Why?

“The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being.”


Now isn't that something? According to the Bible and other reputable sources, the Lake of Fire is none other than the Moment of Conception. Talk about Baptism of Fire!

Why is this extremely important detail not taught? Are the Churches hiding something from us?

Here is another source...


Were any of you aware if this?

Not me.
 
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So, the Lake of Fire being synonymous with conception and giving birth to children is a common teaching in the Church?

The Lake of Fire is symbolically representative of a number of things in the Revelation but mostly significant of something being turned in a lake of fire by the outpouring of Divine judgments. In other words it speaks of destruction be it an opposing nation as in Rev 19:20

See Dan 7:11, 2 Thess 1:8; Mal 4:1-2 for context.

Sodom was turned into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," and is set forth as an example of the fiery judgments to
be experienced by those powers that foolishly resist the reign of Christ ( See Jude 7 also).

If you like many Christians have Hollywood type notions of the continous place of eternal torture you have missed the symbol.

Ironically, there really is something Mysterious here. That is part of her name.



Who or what is Molech according to Scripture? What is the ultimate meaning here?

If God made the Lake of Fire synonymous with Gehenna and all that was done there, should not there be an overall plan and/or message of Salvation involved here? How does Molech fit with God's Love and overall plan of Salvation?
God allows mankind to worship false gods and burn babies alive that they might otherwise know that God is One and the Justifier of many who fear and revere Him....all others are dung.
 

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The Lake of Fire is clearly defined as death in Revelation 20:14 - all discussion on this subject needsthis understanding at its centre. How God decides to bring those nations to death, or the Lake of Fire is entirely up to him. Maybe the earth might opened up? Maybe He sends fire and brimstone, could also bring natural disasters - so many ways He can pour out His judgements on the earth. Of course, before he dwells with man by the end of the Revelation death is removed from the earth.

Did you notice the personification below?

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The finale to Christ's rule will bring about the end of death and the grave literally! (the Lake of Fire is made redundant when death is removed!) The wicked will be consumed in death and righteous granted immortality.

What did the Apostle Paul teach in 1 Corinthians 15:26?

That's right!
 

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The Lake of Fire is symbolically representative of a number of things in the Revelation but mostly significant of something being turned in a lake of fire by the outpouring of Divine judgments. In other words it speaks of destruction be it an opposing nation as in Rev 19:20

See Dan 7:11, 2 Thess 1:8; Mal 4:1-2 for context.

Sodom was turned into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," and is set forth as an example of the fiery judgments to
be experienced by those powers that foolishly resist the reign of Christ ( See Jude 7 also).

If you like many Christians have Hollywood type notions of the continous place of eternal torture you have missed the symbol.


God allows mankind to worship false gods and burn babies alive that they might otherwise know that God is One and the Justifier of many who fear and revere Him....all others are dung.

You did not answer my question. I am well aware of the destruction aspect of the Lake of Fire. That is only half of the story according to many verses that Christians conveniently ignore.

The question is, "why is the creation aspect of the Lake of Fire not taught?"
 

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The Lake of Fire is clearly defined as death in Revelation 20:14 - all discussion on this subject needsthis understanding at its centre. How God decides to bring those nations to death, or the Lake of Fire is entirely up to him. Maybe the earth might opened up? Maybe He sends fire and brimstone, could also bring natural disasters - so many ways He can pour out His judgements on the earth. Of course, before he dwells with man by the end of the Revelation death is removed from the earth.

Did you notice the personification below?

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The finale to Christ's rule will bring about the end of death and the grave literally! (the Lake of Fire is made redundant when death is removed!) The wicked will be consumed in death and righteous granted immortality.

What did the Apostle Paul teach in 1 Corinthians 15:26?

That's right!

What about 1 Corinthians 15:28 that says that God will be in ALL?
 

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The Lake of Fire is clearly defined as death in Revelation 20:14 - all discussion on this subject needsthis understanding at its centre.

Of course.

The wicked will be consumed in death...

How will they be 'consumed'? Let us take a look...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."


OK, so we know that the Soul and Body are destroyed, but something is left over...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."


Spirit is the part of God that can never be destroyed. It can be placed in a new Vessel if God so chooses.

This is what it looks like when God places a Spirit into a new Vessel...

Revelation 9:1
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."


A Falling Star is an Angel that is sent back to be conceived again.

Here is another example...

Luke 10:18
"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."


In the above instance, Satan most likely became the King of Rome. Then he died. Then he came back...

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

  • Satan 'was'. (Used to be alive)
  • Then Satan 'was not' (Satan died)
  • Then Satan 'is' (Satan was conceived yet again)
  • Then Satan goes right back into Perdition (Destruction) again.
Over and over. It is a cycle.
 
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A Falling Star is an Angel that is sent back to be conceived again.

Like this...

Jeremiah 18:4
"And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it."

God made the Vessel again.
 

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Luke 10:18
"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
Wow this is a real mess Quantum.
Sorry, but I am unable to engage if you copy and paste random unrelated verses.

What do you think the adversary is in Luke 10:18?
You understand it's a simile right?
Read the context and seek to understand the back story before jumping to conclusions.
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Of course.



How will they be 'consumed'? Let us take a look...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Correct, the soul (life of a person) and their body is consumed in the grave (hell)...nothing new here "Dust you are and dust you shall return!" Not sure what you are reading into this?
 

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You did not answer my question. I am well aware of the destruction aspect of the Lake of Fire. That is only half of the story according to many verses that Christians conveniently ignore.

The question is, "why is the creation aspect of the Lake of Fire not taught?"
It is...as I've said the Lake of Fire is simply a symbol for the destruction God brings upon His enemies. That "Lake" takes many forms so your question is like saying "Why is the creation of God's Judgements not taught?"
Can you see how wrong that is?
 

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Correct, the soul (life of a person) and their body is consumed in the grave (hell)...nothing new here "Dust you are and dust you shall return!" Not sure what you are reading into this?

We are Tripartite Beings...
  • Body
  • Soul
  • Spirit
Where are your verses teaching that the Spirit is destroyed?