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Featured Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by justbyfaith, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    let us remind you, Jesus never changed. the Spirit that was in the flesh is Spirit, scripture, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his".

    LOL, SAME Spirit, only in Flesh... lol. my, my, my.

    since you used .... Jude, 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen". see that word "ONLY" ... who is our "SAVIOUR"?, JESUS, RIGHT. jude just called the rest your persons in your Godhead "dummies". for our "SAVIOUR" is the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, ONLY wise God ...... :eek: so that means any other persons in your Godhead are dummies ... unwise.... (smile).

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  2. Dave L

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    You miss the point that God does not change. Especially as you say he does having a split personality and all. God took on glorified human nature in his ascension without any change to his Spiritual essence.
     
  3. Dave L

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    You can't have it both ways. You insist God changes from one person to another as in split personality situations. But as soon as the father changes into the son, God ceases to exist. Since a son cannot be a son with out the father begetting him.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    Lets get this God don't change straight. it his plan or will that don't change. dave you're ignorant of what change means. listen, first a change of heart, but not his plan. Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart".
    Exodus 32:14 "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people". and we have many example of this in the bible, but his plan, or will has not changed.

    now physical change. another word for CHANGE is "transform" or "transfigure". Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light".

    so you cannot use that lie anymore.

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    LOL, ERROR, another untruth ... your paints on fire....
    we said nothing to your saying, "You insist God changes from one person to another", we have asked you before not to put words in our mouth. that's why your trinity is dead as it is. using word out of context and out of persons. you said that not us.... (smile).. :eek:

    so you cannot use that lie anymore.

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    since your trinity wagon is stuck in the mud, let's have it's burial.
    you used (Colossians 2:9) ... we Love this...... let's see who really dwells in that body in fulness after his resurrection.

    Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals".

    "HIM" one person that sat on the throne. now this, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

    here we have the same Person rose from the dead and have all power, the Lamb, not the Lamb of God but the LAMB himself.

    now dave is this the same "PERSON" who sits on the throne, and the one who rose, verse 6 ..... (smile) .. lol, cain't wait to hear your answer... :eek:

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  7. Dave L

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    If the pharisees got it wrong, how can you not be wrong?
     
  8. Dave L

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    It was all part of God's eternal unchangeable plan.
     
  9. 101G

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    because ......... drum roll ...... the Holy Ghost is teaching me. did you not read?,

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  10. Dave L

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    But you and the pharisees agree. How can the Holy Spirit be teaching you?
     
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    so you agree that you lied on God about him not changing? .... (smile)

    now how about that Revelation chapter 5 question..... (smile).

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  12. Dave L

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    How about Revelation being symbolic and not literal?
     
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    LOL, symbol point to facts. now your answer..... LOL.

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  14. Dave L

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    You cannot understand the trinity, how can you understand the bible?
     
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    so again we can take it you have no clue to what Revelation chapter 5 is about.

    for your edification, since you don't know.

    He who sits, the throne, it is symbolic of all power have been given unto him, for a throne was set in heaven. All power given unto me, remember those scriptures?. Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Slain, it symbolize his death, standing symbolize his Resurrection.

    listen real good, he who sits is he who stands ...... say what? .... :eek: only the Holy Ghost, as Jude said, "the ONLY wise God", can teach this.

    Now your answer please .... lol.

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  16. Dave L

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    If you cannot discern God properly, fat chance you'll understand Revelation.
     
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    well seem like we can't get an answer, so let's edify the Lord with the complete teaching knowledge of the Holy Ghost.

    he who sits on the throne is he who stands and have the seven Spirits. scripture, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
    Revelation 5:8 "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    let's break this down and understand. Jesus the "OFFSPRING", the "Son", the diversity of the Spirit, God himself sits on the throne. but he, Jesus the "ROOT", the Father, the Source, God himself, the Spirit is Standing. and notice the "ROOT", (the Lamb) not the "Offspring", (the Lamb of God) but the "ROOT" of David is sent fort into all the earth, (verse 6). question who was sent into all the EARTH? answer, the Holy Spirit, who is the "ROOT", symbolising before David, "Spirit".

    but here's the revelation is not the Lord Jesus the "ROOT" and the "OFFSPRING" of David? let the bible speak. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star". BINGO, case closed, Jesus IS THE "ROOT" & "THE OFFSPRING". Jesus is the one who sits on the throme and it is Jesus who is standing in glory of his resurrection.

    so, knowing this, it is Jesus, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit who is Father and son that came on Pentecost. can we verify this by scriptures, yes, John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him".

    we, yes, the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ, the same Spirit, (see Romans 8:9). Oh how clear the bible comes together. we is the Diversified state of the Spirit. the we of Genesis 1:26 that was to come "diversified" in flesh, (per Romans 5:14b). look how the bible just fit together, scripture testifying of scripture.

    John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

    the I is the Father and the Son as said in John 14 verse 23.

    someone here said, "they sent the Holy Ghost". the Holy Ghost is God himself is both the OFFSPRING and the ROOT.

    Oh how men just handle the scriptures incorrectly.

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    a re-read of this post might be nessary for clarity.
     
  18. justbyfaith

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    The Pharisees were right about the tithing of their herbs,

    Mat 23:23, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Luk 11:42, But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    So they weren't wrong about everything.
     
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  19. Dave L

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    Your boys agree with you on most everything. That's what I'm saying.
     
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    I'll agree that Paul the apostle was a Pharisee, Philippians 3:5 (yes, he continued to believe in a literal resurrection after becoming a Christian).
     
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