RedFan
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Ok got it NY Athletics and sports teams of Ithaca..did you go to school there...
Yes, for seven years. B.A. 1976, J.D. 1979.
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Ok got it NY Athletics and sports teams of Ithaca..did you go to school there...
Man we are about the same age. I went into Engineering Aerospace/Astronautical/Systems ay UT Austin, USC and Chapman Univ. I was married with children when I got my BSc in 1983....and MSc 1989. Schooling took up a big chunk of my life.Yes, for seven years. B.A. 1976, J.D. 1979.
You asked a very good question. @Andreas, for reasons unknown to me, didn’t answer it; at least not in this thread.
I don’t presume to answer for him, but your question deserves an answer.
Is Jesus God? The second person of the holy Trinity?
In post-biblical trinitarian theology, yes.
In scripture, no.
@theefaith I see you are at it again with another attempt to convince based on zero pillars of truth and then standing on sand.
It would have been much more fitting if you started this thread on the 1st of April rather that the 4th.
the same authority of Christ in his church that gave us scripture …
…also defined the nature of God as at trinity of persons co-equal and undivided unity
@theefaith I concur with Mattias' comments...he is spot onThe Roman Catholic Church didn’t give us scripture.
I give the Roman Catholic Church credit for that.
The Roman Catholic Church didn’t give us scripture.
I give the Roman Catholic Church credit for that.
@theefaith I concur with Mattias' comments...he is spot on
Rule of faith cannot be the “Bible Alone” because we did not have a bible until 381 when the church of the apostles by the authority of Christ determined what was and what was not scripture! You only have a bible cos the church wrote one and cannonized it by the authority of Christ thru his apostles!
Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!
How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!
Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”
God, Christ, the HS, the church, the apostles cannot be any authority at all, only scripture
1st problem is that the church of the apostles says what is and what is not scripture!
The Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles!
Must hear the church according to Christ and scripture! Matt 18:17
Pillar and foundation of truth!
The church teaches the truth revealed by Christ with His authority in the apostles!
1 Tim 3:15
The church existed before the New Testament!
The church believed and taught before there was a New Testament!
The church exercised authority before there was a New Testament!
The authority of Christ thru His one true church wrote the New Testament!
The church founded by Christ on Peter has authority to:
Teach, Govern, And sanctify!
Rule of faith cannot be the “Bible Alone” because we did not have a bible until 381 when the church of the apostles by the authority of Christ determined what was and what was not scripture! You only have a bible cos the church wrote one and cannonized it by the authority of Christ thru his apostles!
Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!
How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!
Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”
God, Christ, the HS, the church, the apostles cannot be any authority at all, only scripture
1st problem is that the church of the apostles says what is and what is not scripture!
The Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles!
Must hear the church according to Christ and scripture! Matt 18:17
Pillar and foundation of truth!
The church teaches the truth revealed by Christ with His authority in the apostles!
1 Tim 3:15
The church existed before the New Testament!
The church believed and taught before there was a New Testament!
The church exercised authority before there was a New Testament!
The authority of Christ thru His one true church wrote the New Testament!
The church founded by Christ on Peter has authority to:
Teach, Govern, And sanctify!
What? Are you really that uninformed? The Bible was written long before Christianity came on the scene. When Jesus (and others) read from the Scriptures, they were reading from => the Bible <= Additionally, there are quotes from the Bible throughout the New Testament.
One example: "Now Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and the regaining of sight to the blind,
to set free those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on him. Then he began to tell them, “Today this scripture has been fulfilled even as you heard it being read.” Luke 4:16-21
Obviously we had a Bible long before 321 CE. It was not written by "the church"!!! Saying that "the Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles" is one of the most absurd things I have ever read!!! How did the apostles quote from a non-existent Bible??? Once again, your blatant anti-Semitism has blinded you to God's truth!
I have read a lot of your preposterous posts, but this one "takes the cake": "The Bible’s [sic] is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!" That is total nonsense; it is preposterous that you don't know the basic facts about the Bible!!!
God, Christ, the HS, the church, the apostles cannot be any authority at all, only scripture
----The Father is not only the authority of his word he is its author.
1st problem is that the church of the apostles says what is and what is not scripture!
----I agree this was a serious problem with your church that is not founded on the true apostles. It is founded on a mixture of holy and pagan teachings, including the apostle. It dictated what scripture to keep, add, edit, reword and even destroy. Yes destroy! I believe they destroyed original scripture.
The Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles!
-- yes, some of it
Must hear the church according to Christ and scripture! Matt 18:17
Pillar and foundation of truth!
-- you are misusing/ misapplying scripture again to make your point that your church is the source and foundation of truth and it is not! This verse applies to the Body or true ekklesia of Christ and not your brick and mortar building and hierarchy that was established in evil works after the world.
The church teaches the truth revealed by Christ with His authority in the apostles!
1 Tim 3:15
The church existed before the New Testament!
The church believed and taught before there was a New Testament!
The church exercised authority before there was a New Testament!
The authority of Christ thru His one true church wrote the New Testament!
The church founded by Christ on Peter has authority to:
Teach, Govern, And sanctify!
-- misapplying scripture again to convince someone that God's household is the RCC.
And yes, your church is said to be founded by Peter. And that's a huge mistake.
Mine is founded by and in Christ, in his Kingdom today.
---Are you then in your founder Peter and his kingdom or Christ? It is an important question.