True or False, -- How Can We Tell Anymore?

[Bobby Jo]

He told the church that it was responsible for the moral decline in the country. Which is the church's responsibility.
When I say church, I mean the leadership. Overall.

Yep, -- but sometimes it's BOTH the "leadership" and the "body". And 1 Cor. 14:26 onward says that the BODY must JUDGE what the "leadership" tells us, -- but it goes downhill from there, because sometimes the BODY believe the Main Stream Media and parrots their lies.

So until BOTH the leadership and the body are in sync with GOD, -- NEITHER will have a clue, as we see in the church today!

With VERY BEST REGARDS,
Bobby Jo & ELAM

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[amigo de christo]

He told the church that it was responsible for the moral decline in the country. Which is the church's responsibility.
When I say church, I mean the leadership. Overall.

I have no idea who you are talking about . BUT THEY RIGHT MY FRIEND .
THE CHURCH became the world and the world went far worse way fast due to it .
FOR WHEN NO LIGHT makes manifest , the darkness FLOODS IN .
TIME FOR CORRECTION . TIME to make our last stand now . AND PS , DONT EXPECT THE WORLD OR MOST CHURCHES TO LOVE YA .
BUT we gotta do something . IF we love them we would warn them . GOD ALWAYS SENT PROPHETS TO WARN and REMIND .
SO HOW COME ITS A SIN TODAY WHEN I DO SUCH THINGS . WE been DUPED REAL BAD TRUMAN . REAL BAD .
WE learned us a false way to evangelize and a way which IF ONE dares to correct THEYSEEN AS HATER and JUDGMENTAL .
SATAN destroyed our churches , THROUGH many men . BUT let us not fear men , let us make our stand for truth now
WHILE THERE IS TIME TO DO SO .

 

[Truman]

Yep, -- but sometimes it's BOTH the "leadership" and the "body". And 1 Cor. 14:26 onward says that the BODY must JUDGE what the "leadership" tells us, -- but it goes downhill from there, because sometimes the BODY believe the Main Stream Media and parrots their lies.

So until BOTH the leadership and the body are in sync with GOD, -- NEITHER will have a clue, as we see in the church today!

With VERY BEST REGARDS,
Bobby Jo & ELAM

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I agree...but it'll take leadership to lead the correct way. Foreheads of flint will come in handy.

 

[maximum velocity]

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Are we REALLY SURPRISED?


Bobby Jo

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A name and/or a website for the source of that meme would be nice. Sadly, Bill Clinton isn't the first or last president who has these allegations against him. We recently had a president who has at least 26 women accuse him of sexual misconduct. That's not to mention the fact that he paid off his porn star and playboy bunny mistresses to keep them quiet about their extramarital affair or his bragging about forcibly kissing women and groping them in-between their legs or his boasting about how he would watch semi-naked teenage girls backstage of beauty pageants. I guess being twice divorced, thrice-married, and a serial adulterer has its benefits. I wouldn't know, but I'm sure the former president would know all about it.

I suppose it's much easier on the conscience of loyal supporters of the former president to outright ignore all of his sins (and quickly dismiss his sins with a multiple of excuses) while they're standing in pious judgment, and casting stones at former President Bill Clinton or even President Joe Biden.

 

[maximum velocity]

He told the church that it was responsible for the moral decline in the country. Which is the church's responsibility.
When I say church, I mean the leadership. Overall.

I completely agree, because the prominent evangelical leadership supporting the former president certainly exposed a lot of hypocrisy in the realm of Christendom, when it's mixed with political agendas. Christian leaders are supposed to set an example, and these Christian leaders certainly did.

Let's start with Dr. James Dobson.

In 1998, he publicly condemned former President Bill Clinton. He said, "Character does matter. You can't run a family, let alone a country without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world."

In 2016, he publicly endorsed the former president, without condemning him for his extramarital affairs. He said, "I’m not under any illusions that he is an outstanding moral example. It’s a cliché but true: We are electing a commander-in-chief, not a theologian-in-chief.”

Article sources for the Dr. Dobson quotes: What James Dobson Said in 1998 About Moral Character and the Presidency; I’m an evangelical. The religious right leaders who support Trump don’t speak for me. There are similar articles with the direct quotes, but these articles will suffice.

Pat Robertson:

Pat Robertson Calls for Clinton's Impeachment

Standing by Donald Trump, Pat Robertson calls lewd video ‘macho talk’

Jerry Farwell, Jr.

Watch: Jerry Falwell Jr. goes after Clinton at Republican National Convention

Evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. defends Trump: Jesus “never told Caesar how to run Rome”

Franklin Graham:

What Franklin Graham Said About the “Private Sins” of Bill Clinton in 1998

After condemning Bill Clinton for Monica Lewinsky, Franklin Graham says Trump’s sex scandals are ‘nobody’s business’

However, these prominent evangelical leaders aren't entirely to blame for the moral decline in Christendom, when the Faith becomes ensnared with the allures of political power and influence. There can be no doubt that the personal reputation, and the witness, of the former president's Christian supporters has been severely damaged in the eyes of the general public. In fact, they've been repeatedly called out. I'm providing several articles to substantiate the kind of public damage I'm referring to instead of posting a baseless accusation against the former president's supporters.

Trump-Loving Christians Owe Bill Clinton an Apology

Evangelicals slammed Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct. So why does Trump get a pass?

Evangelicals Who Denounced Bill Clinton Affair, Silent On Donald Trump And Stormy Daniels

As a matter of fact, there are plethora of articles publicly calling out the Christian supporters of the former president, and here are a few of them.

An Open Letter to Trump’s Evangelical Defenders

Juan Williams: Evangelicals sell their souls for Trump

Donald Trump and the Great Evangelical Compromise

The Stunning Hypocrisy Of Trump's Evangelical Supporters

The Politics of the Evangelical Right, and Their Very Public Sin

'Toxic Christianity': the evangelicals creating champions for Trump

How could Christians support Trump’s lies? It depends on what you mean by ‘truth.’

 

[Truman]

I completely agree, because the prominent evangelical leadership supporting the former president certainly exposed a lot of hypocrisy in the realm of Christendom, when it's mixed with political agendas. Christian leaders are supposed to set an example, and these Christian leaders certainly did.

Let's start with Dr. James Dobson.

In 1998, he publicly condemned former President Bill Clinton. He said, "Character does matter. You can't run a family, let alone a country without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world."

In 2016, he publicly endorsed the former president, without condemning him for his extramarital affairs. He said, "I’m not under any illusions that he is an outstanding moral example. It’s a cliché but true: We are electing a commander-in-chief, not a theologian-in-chief.”

Article sources for the Dr. Dobson quotes:

What James Dobson Said in 1998 About Moral Character and the Presidency
I’m an evangelical. The religious right leaders who support Trump don’t speak for me

Pat Robertson:

Pat Robertson Calls for Clinton's Impeachment

Standing by Donald Trump, Pat Robertson calls lewd video ‘macho talk’

Franklin Graham:

What Franklin Graham Said About the “Private Sins” of Bill Clinton in 1998

After condemning Bill Clinton for Monica Lewinsky, Franklin Graham says Trump’s sex scandals are ‘nobody’s business’

Jerry Farwell, Jr.

Watch: Jerry Falwell Jr. goes after Clinton at Republican National Convention

Evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. defends Trump: Jesus “never told Caesar how to run Rome”

However, these prominent evangelical leaders aren't entirely to blame for the moral decline in Christendom, when the Christian faith becomes ensnared with the promises of political power and influence. There is no doubt that the personal reputation, and the witness, of the former president's Christian supporters has been severely damaged in the eyes of the general public. In fact, they've been repeatedly called out. I'm providing several articles to substantiate the kind of damage I'm referring to instead of posting a baseless accusation against the former president's supporters.

Trump-Loving Christians Owe Bill Clinton an Apology

Evangelicals slammed Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct. So why does Trump get a pass?

Evangelicals Who Denounced Bill Clinton Affair, Silent On Donald Trump And Stormy Daniels

And there are many more articles publicly calling out the right-wing Christian supporters of the former president.

An Open Letter to Trump’s Evangelical Defenders

Juan Williams: Evangelicals sell their souls for Trump

Donald Trump and the Great Evangelical Compromise

The Stunning Hypocrisy Of Trump's Evangelical Supporters

The Politics of the Evangelical Right, and Their Very Public Sin
'Toxic Christianity': the evangelicals creating champions for Trump

How could Christians support Trump’s lies? It depends on what you mean by ‘truth.’

There is one word that everyone needs to take serious and that is, "Repent!." God taught and is still teaching me this one.
Being medically disabled and basically house-bound, I spent years watching what happens in the world, and little else, on the internet. I know what's going on.
Being a left-of-center libertarian, the extreme left pushed me to the right. I remember the day that God pointed out to me that Trump was coming to Him.
I've always had compassion for minorities; my best friend was brown, my first wife and I had numerous gay friends and we used to go to see their theater productions, and I have nothing but compassion for I.V. drug addicts, at the age of 15, I caught Hep.C by sharing a needle. I was a hippie. Still am, in some ways.
I was raised by a socialist. My first choice for president (I'm a Canadian who loves America, I'm named after an American university professor), was Ben Carson, though I now see that the thugs would've ripped him to pieces.
There is an agenda going on that is bigger than America and they don't fool me for a minute. Nor do they scare me. I may have been born on a Monday, but it wasn't last Monday. Peace and Shalom.

 

[maximum velocity]

There is one word that everyone needs to take serious and that is, "Repent!." God taught and is still teaching me this one.
Being medically disabled and basically house-bound, I spent years watching what happens in the world, and little else, on the internet. I know what's going on.
Being a left-of-center libertarian, the extreme left pushed me to the right. I remember the day that God pointed out to me that Trump was coming to Him.
I've always had compassions for minorities; my best friend was brown, my first wife and I had numerous gay friends and we used to go to see their theater productions, and I have nothing but compassion for I.V. drug addicts, at the age of 15, I caught Hep.C by sharing a needle. I was a hippie. Still am, in some ways.
I was raised by a socialist. My first choice for president (I'm a Canadian who loves America, I'm named after an American university professor), was Ben Carson, though I now see that the thugs would've ripped him to pieces.
There is an agenda going on that is bigger than America and they don't fool me for a minute. Nor do they scare me. I may have been born on a Monday, but it wasn't last Monday. Peace and Shalom.

The distinct point of my prior post (and in some of my other posts) is that both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are filled with morally corrupt human beings. Moral and political corruption is NOT just a Democratic problem, as implied, and often insisted, by some faithful supporters of the former president. Both the right-wing and the left-wing are part of the same bird and they are both foul. Both are morally and politically corrupt.

 

[Truman]

The distinct point of my prior post (and in some of my other posts) is that both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are filled with morally corrupt human beings. Moral and political corruption is NOT just a Democratic problem, as implied, and often insisted, by some faithful supporters of the former president. Both the right-wing and the left-wing are part of the same bird and they are both foul. Both are morally and politically corrupt.

You're not going to get an argument about that from me. I guess I went on a bit...I'm just passionate. All those poor people suffering when they shouldn't be. It upsets me. I was once homeless for a summer. It wasn't fun. We need a more compassionate society. Where everybody matter...because they do!
Justice for all, both big and small
Short and tall, for rich and for poor
I won't go away until I've had my say
It's the price that I pay for what I stand for.

Freedom to speak what's on our minds
And to express what's in our hearts
To honor each other in all that we do
Justice for me and justice for you! -tc

 

[Bobby Jo]

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Here's a couple of interesting observations:

@[email protected]
Oct 28, 2021

Well I've Been Doing Some Digging.. Besides The Schedule I Also Found Out Only Three Presidents Have Been Impeached. Both Clinton and Jackson Were Impeached, And found Not Guilty, During Their Presidency. Trump however, Was Charged AFTER He Left Office. According To Law, You Have To Be In A Position Of Power To Be Charged With Impeachment. That Means Trump Never Left Office. He Is Getting All The Intel Biden Is Getting. I Believe Trump Did Issue The EO. Why Isn't It In Force?

Covid? Yep. There Is An Emergency Order In Effect Making Trump's EO Stuck In Limbo. Once The Covid Numbers Go Down And The EO Is Lifted, Trump's EO Begins. People Are Retiring Because Of Durham. Covid Numbers Were Down 22% Today. The Election Numbers Are Getting Revealed, Garland And Fauci Are Being Checked Out Closely. It's Going To Happen. Your Dreams May Be More Correct Than You Know...

​

So this individual makes a fascinating point about Trump's "second impeachment" being AFTER he left office; but I'm not sure about the second paragraph referencing ?TWO? Executive Orders, -- One by TRUMP and a Second by biden, where biden's must be met before TRUMP's takes effect???


Maybe someone has more information?

Bobby Jo

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[maximum velocity]

You're not going to get an argument about that from me. I guess I went on a bit...I'm just passionate. All those poor people suffering when they shouldn't be. It upsets me. I was once homeless for a summer. It wasn't fun. We need a more compassionate society. Where everybody matter...because they do!
Justice for all, both big and small
Short and tall, for rich and for poor
I won't go away until I've had my say
It's the price that I pay for what I stand for.

Freedom to speak what's on our minds
And to express what's in our hearts
To honor each other in all that we do
Justice for me and justice for you! -tc

Bravo! Well said, Truman.

I'm sorry to hear about your personal experiences, Truman. I hope you're alright now.

 

[Bobby Jo]

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I see an ALL NEW BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY:

Bobby Jo & ELAM

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[Bobby Jo]

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Apparently "Situation Update" [at 10:15 mins] draws a "Covid Vax for ages 5-11" as code for the use of the DoD "Law Of War" manual, Section 5, subsection 1, sub-subsection 1:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl-nat.nsf/0/9924f86903185d2bc12570d900330b54/$FILE/DoD Law of War Program .pdf

5. RESPONSIBILITIES

5.1. The General Counsel of the Department of Defense
shall:

5.1.1. Provide overall legal guidance in the Department
of Defense on the Law of War Program, to include review
of policies developed under or relating to the program,
coordination of special legislative proposals and other
legal matters with other Federal Departments and Agencies,
and resolution of disagreements on questions of law.​

SITUATION UPDATE 10/28/21 BOOM WEEK

SITUATION UPDATE 10/28/21 BOOM WEEK
We The People NEWS Published October 28, 2021

GENE DECODE DUMB UPDATE, LA PALMA UPDATE, EBS, BOMB SCARE AT HHS BUILDING, AG ASKED TO RESIGN, MONKEY WERX CLIP, MORE JAB INJURIES, BARBADOS NOW INDEPENDENT AND MORE. BOOM WEEK!!!
​

And of course civilians use M/D/Y, but the Military uses Y/M/D, -- so 5 to 11 (5.1.1) makes sense from that perspective, and then "Situation Update" then draws a like to 11/5, such that there's not only an "ACTION" (5.1.1), but also a "DATE" (11/5).


Sometimes these purported "Codes" make ABSOLUTE PERFECT SENSE, but some "extrapolations" may be a "bridge too far". Only time will tell ...

Bobby Jo

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[Bobby Jo]

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Our PUBLIC SCHOOLS are DESTROYING our SOCIETY:

https://assets.brighteon.social/sys...863/504/753/885/original/2437e19651cd97aa.mp4​

@[email protected]
Absolutely disgusting!!!
A mother tells the school board her daughter was cast in a play involving ‘group sex’
​

Perhaps our School Boards need to be inundated with CALLS from both PARENTS and CITIZENS.


We're PAYING for THIS???
Bobby Jo

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[Bobby Jo]

No one has shown the election to be illegitimate.

@maximum velocity
@Rita
@Heart2Soul
@lforrest

OK, let's figure this out. The Deep State and MSM (Main Stream Media) LIED; but were those who parroted those lies Misinformed or intentionally perpetuating that Disinformation?

The Gateway Pundit - Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback -- Main Homepage on10/30/2021 (all articles are "archive searchable")

Virginia Democrats are Freaking Because the 300,000 Absentee Ballots They Hoped to Drop in Upcoming Election Are Held Up by the USPS
October 30, 2021

Michigan Police Are Hunting Down Elections Official Who Refused Corrupt, Soros-Backed Secretary of State’s Order to Destroy 2020 Election Evidence
October 30, 2021

Another Virginia Election, Another Election Steal – Virginia’s Fairfax County Reportedly Not Requiring Last Four Digits of SSN’s on Absentee Ballots
October 30, 2021

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Mesa County, Colorado 2020 Election Results Reviewed – Thousands of Ballots and Entire Process Contaminated – 2020 Election Results Never Should Have Been Certified
October 30, 2021

REPORT: Could Wisconsin Be The FIRST State To DECERTIFY The Fraudulent 2020 Election After Yesterday’s Explosive Report?
October 29, 2021
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It seems to me that the above EVIDENCE of 2020 Election Fraud is so SIGNIFICANT (which doesn't even include ARIZONA, GEORGIA, and PENNSYLVANIA) that anyone with an ounce of curiosity would have sufficient awareness to have NEVER DEFENDED the MSM LIES.


So are we still dealing with Mis-Information, or is it Dis-Information? -- Somebody PLEASE explain.
Bobby Jo

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[maximum velocity]

If we're to address election fraud, then we'll need a credible, reliable news source, and that's not The Gateway Pundit. First, The Gateway Pundit actively posts articles in staunch support of the former president, which is why it would push the narrative that the election was stolen. Secondly, it actively posts articles that are anti-Biden, which is another reason to consider this source unreliable to report unbiased election news. As I posted earlier in this thread, The Gateway Pundit is a questionable source, because it's widely known for publishing false stories and conspiracy theories.

AllSides Media Rating: The Gateway Pundit

Ad Fontes Media Rating: The Gateway Pundit Bias and Reliability

I posted these reviews earlier, "It has been described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that "primarily propagate fake news" (The Gateway Pundit - Wikipedia). Many of its published stories have been fact-checked and were determined to be false: Reviews of articles from: Gateway Pundit, and 20-Plus Times Jim Hoft And The Gateway Pundit Were Absurdly Wrong. It is listed as a false news source.

The Gateway Pundit - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

[lforrest]

@maximum velocity
@Rita
@Heart2Soul
@lforrest

OK, let's figure this out. The Deep State and MSM (Main Stream Media) LIED; but were those who parroted those lies Misinformed or intentionally perpetuating that Disinformation?

The Gateway Pundit - Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback -- Main Homepage on10/30/2021 (all articles are "archive searchable")

Virginia Democrats are Freaking Because the 300,000 Absentee Ballots They Hoped to Drop in Upcoming Election Are Held Up by the USPS
October 30, 2021

Michigan Police Are Hunting Down Elections Official Who Refused Corrupt, Soros-Backed Secretary of State’s Order to Destroy 2020 Election Evidence
October 30, 2021

Another Virginia Election, Another Election Steal – Virginia’s Fairfax County Reportedly Not Requiring Last Four Digits of SSN’s on Absentee Ballots
October 30, 2021

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Mesa County, Colorado 2020 Election Results Reviewed – Thousands of Ballots and Entire Process Contaminated – 2020 Election Results Never Should Have Been Certified
October 30, 2021

REPORT: Could Wisconsin Be The FIRST State To DECERTIFY The Fraudulent 2020 Election After Yesterday’s Explosive Report?
October 29, 2021
​

It seems to me that the above EVIDENCE of 2020 Election Fraud is so SIGNIFICANT (which doesn't even include ARIZONA, GEORGIA, and PENNSYLVANIA) that anyone with an ounce of curiosity would have sufficient awareness to have NEVER DEFENDED the MSM LIES.


So are we still dealing with Mis-Information, or is it Dis-Information? -- Somebody PLEASE explain.
Bobby Jo

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There was much Fraud in the 2020 election, such that I will not vote again unless it is resolved.

 

[lforrest]

If we're to address election fraud, then we'll need a credible, reliable news source, and that's not The Gateway Pundit. First, The Gateway Pundit actively posts articles in staunch support of the former president, which is why it would push the narrative that the election was stolen. Secondly, it actively posts articles that are anti-Biden, which is another reason to consider this source unreliable to report unbiased election news. As I posted earlier in this thread, The Gateway Pundit is a questionable source, because it's widely known for publishing false stories and conspiracy theories.

AllSides Media Rating: The Gateway Pundit

Ad Fontes Media Rating: The Gateway Pundit Bias and Reliability

I posted these reviews earlier, "It has been described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that "primarily propagate fake news" (The Gateway Pundit - Wikipedia). Many of its published stories have been fact-checked and were determined to be false: Reviews of articles from: Gateway Pundit, and 20-Plus Times Jim Hoft And The Gateway Pundit Were Absurdly Wrong. It is listed as a false news source.

The Gateway Pundit - Media Bias/Fact Check

When the truth is considered Extreme right, someone is extremely wrong.

 

[maximum velocity]

The Gateway Pundit has been tested multiple times for accuracy and honest reporting, and it was found wanting in both categories. On the subject of voter fraud, if there is undeniable evidence of actual voter fraud from Democratic voters, then post it. Let's see these actual proven election fraud cases that allegedly thwarted the election results. So far, there's been a lot of allegations and articles posted from a right-wing biased news source.

While we're on the subject of voter fraud, let's be impartial and admit that some Republican voters are also guilty of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Such as... Texas Lt. Governor, Dan Patrick, paid his first $25,000 bounty for voter fraud to a Democratic poll worker in Pennsylvania, whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican, who voted illegally in his son's name. Voter fraud in elections isn't a one-sided problem.

BBC News: US election 2020: Fact-checking Trump team's main fraud claims

Fox News: Chris Wallace: So far there is not evidence of fraud large enough to overturn election results

USA Today: Fact check: Arizona audit affirmed Biden's win, didn't prove voter fraud, contrary to Trump claim

PBS News Hour: Barr says Justice Department found no evidence of fraud that would change election outcome

Business Insider: Tucker Carlson stands by Trump's unproven claims of voter fraud but admits it's not 'enough to alter the election result'

BBC News media rating

[URL='https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/']Fox News media rating

[URL='https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/']USA Today media rating

PBS News Hour media rating

[URL='https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/insider/']Business Insider media rating [/URL][/URL][/URL]

 

[lforrest]

If you have evidence of actual voter fraud, then post it. I'll start... Texas Lt. Governor paid his first $25,000 bounty for voter fraud to a Democratic poll worker in Pennsylvania, whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican, who voted illegally in his son's name.

Fox News: Chris Wallace: So far there is not evidence of fraud large enough to overturn election results
(Fox News media rating)

USA Today: Fact check: Arizona audit affirmed Biden's win, didn't prove voter fraud, contrary to Trump claim
(USA Today media rating)

PBS News Hour: Barr says Justice Department found no evidence of fraud that would change election outcome
(PBS News Hour media rating)

Business Insider: Tucker Carlson stands by Trump's unproven claims of voter fraud but admits it's not 'enough to alter the election result'
(Business Insider media rating)

Sociaists have inserted themselves into a position of power in the media and government agencies, and surrounded themselves with like-minded people. Trump was ignorant of the extent of this infiltration. And immoral people dont care how much they lie to gain an advantage. This is all done so that the tail can wag the dog. I also recall a survey where socialists were asked to vote for a world ending meteor or 4 more years of Trump, most preferred the meteor.

We have eyewitness testimonies of fraudulent activity, motive, opertunity, and support from every level of government. While the Conservitives are trying to take on the world individually. And courts have ruled that those even partially coordinated have no standing to make challenges.

 

[maximum velocity]

Surely, there are trusted conservative news sites that can be posted verifying these eyewitness accounts of fraudulent activity and motive. I suspect that prominent trusted conservative sites would pounce on the opportunity to verify the voter fraud that many Republicans claim stole the election.