Please elaborate on what you think these are.and even denies its other, valid, spiritual meanings,
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Please elaborate on what you think these are.and even denies its other, valid, spiritual meanings,
I don't understand your point...say it in your own words, please.
Jesus is your High Priest, and you are not supposed to be worshipping HimI don't understand your point...say it in your own words, please.
seriously?
Jesus is not ‘reduced to an icon of worship’... it is the exact opposite. Perhaps that’s what you meant!this completely distorts the meaning of I am in the Father, the Father in Me and even denies its other, valid, spiritual meanings, dont you think? Jesus is reduced to an Icon of Worship, and has entered the pantheon (as Apollos surely)
But if you truly accept the kjv as inspired, you will recognize that it translates what the man born blind did with Jesus as "worship" not "obeisance."Jesus is not ‘reduced to an icon of worship’... it is the exact opposite. Perhaps that’s what you meant!
In Trinity Ideology, Jesus is RAISED to an icon of Worship!!! The claim Jesus was even worshipped by supporters, disciples, and people he healed. In fact, there are no such events. Jesus was ”Bowed Down To” but this is not WORSHIP.
Point in case: The Jews were seeking reasons to arrest Jesus. The Jews knew it was blasphemy to worship anyone but GOD, the Father. So.... when they witnessed what Trinitarians misrepresents as ‘Worship’ given to him... WHY didn’t they arrest both Jesus and the person/people who Trinitarians claim were carrying out the illegal act??
CLEARLY, they did not (not even comment against it) because THEY did not regard ‘Obeisance’ as ‘WORSHIP’.
Indeed, did not Bathsheba ‘WORSHIP’ at the bedside of the aged king David, yet no one of trinity is claiming that Bathsheba gave, and king David accepted, WORSHIP!
Clearly, the act was ‘Obeisance’, is an act worthy towards ALL who are in a position of reverence: Kings, Priests, Prophets, Masters, Lords, Notables, etc?
No... and indeed, Jesus states clearly that only the Father must be worshipped:
- ”In Spirit and In Truth.
Jesus is your High Priest, and you are not supposed to be worshipping Him
is about as plain as i can get
It can only be an disingenuous mind that stands to claim that ‘Immanuel’ is a physical manifestation rather than a spiritual expression.
The Father, YHWH, the only true God,
Ask a Trinitarian,
I can guarantee no credible answer will be given.
- Who is this ‘SERVANT of God’?
- When did God put HIS Spirit on him?
- How is God’s SPIRIT defined in scriptures (not by trinity minds!)
Certainly, a person claimed to be Almighty God would not require to be anointed ...as High Priest TO ALMIGHTY GOD!!
Do not think of the Holy Spirit as a PERSON.
that Christ is our High Priest? I mean, i dunno what vv you are talking about, but you are denying this?I don't think that the verses in question teach us that.
They don't teach us that we are not to worship Jesus because He is our High Priest. Unless you can quote it out and give commentary so that I can understand your point...that Christ is our High Priest? I mean, i dunno what vv you are talking about, but you are denying this?
the Scriptures that you ignored earlier make the point amply i guess; and who or what is "they?" I can find plenty of Scripture that we are to worship Yah alone, and your Jesus worship is a very bad idea, ok? And no, Yah is not a person, sorry; you are a person, you have a penis etc, but those are analogies used to make characterizations, that you are taking too literally, as made plain in other Scripture alsoThey don't teach us that we are not to worship Jesus because He is our High Priest. Unless you can quote it out and give commentary so that I can understand your point...
I can find plenty of Scripture that we are to worship Yah alone, and your Jesus worship is a very bad idea, ok?
And no, Yah is not a person, sorry;
and in closing the Bible is not Holy either, you cannot Quote that anywhere, except maybe in English, weird i know, but there it is. If you doubt this try and Quote it. Best of luck in your quest for immortality with Apollos k, seriously, but about Christ you are anti right now bro, no offense. You cannot Quote any of your current behavior or understanding from Scripture, except by the worst sort of cherry picking and ignoring wadr. Your pastor is a predator, and you will be too if you arent careful.Not ok.
Jesus is YAH.
You must know that if anyone doesn't believe that Jesus is the great I AM (YAH), they will die in their sins.
Therefore, it is an essential of the faith and you cannot call yourself a real Christian without it.
Indeed He is. For YAH speaks to us throughout the pages of the Holy Bible.
justbyfaith, I don’t know bbyrd009 except by the few posts I’ve read in this thread. So far... what he has written agrees with a truth from scriptures - but what you say is patently disingenuous. I see a playful devilry in your responses, deliberately obfuscating scriptural truth, and denial of the reality of the spiritual order... basically, you are ‘Grieving the Holy Spirit’.@JustAskin,
@bbyrd009 often plays the devil's advocate here and whether he is really a believer or not some of us cannot really tell.
But you should know that I read through all of the epistles once a week; through all of the gospels, Acts, and Revelation once a month; through Psalms and Proverbs twice a month, each; through the minor prophets three to five times in a year; and through Genesis-Deuteronomy and the major prophets about twice in three years. And Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon once every twenty days with Job once every forty days.
So I am certainly not biblically illiterate as you seem to think. I spend much time and prayer seeking to understand more every day of what the whole counsel of God declares to us...so I think that I know the message of the Bible rather well.
I see a playful devilry in your responses,
HEN we are to understand THAT THEY ARE NOT... because one of them is a HIGHER RANK than the others... and another is LEAST RANKED... how does that conform to EQUALITY?
Well, come on... ‘Born from..’ any time is still ‘Born’... and Born means CREATED... and CREATED means ‘Brought into being’.
But trinity realised that ’a God’ (a Deity) cannot be brought into being.
and if the Son is brought into being then there was a time when he DID NOT EXIST.
Therefore trinity belief is POLYTHEISTIC
so how is it said by trinity that, in fact, it was the ‘Son’ who created all things... oh dear, integrity destroyed!!
This is still ONE PERSON.
God (The Father!!) final act in the creation is to bring into being a creature who is a physical image of his spirit self.
then where is the EVIDENCE that mankind is THREE PERSONS?