Trump vying for Greenland and Canada

[MA2444]

oh dear, it sounds like you are making him out to be a god. That's concerning.......guard your heart there brother, reign in your emotions. Our hearts are always being tested in this life. Remember it is the Lord who chooses and "anoints" all kings of the earth for His sovereign purposes, whether they are good, bad or a mixture of both, etc. He is the King of all kings. Shouldn't HE get the glory, at all times?

Lizbeth gets it!

Is Wrangler over-spiritualizing Trump and under-spiritualizing the Lord our God?

Careful Brother!

 

[Wrangler]

Nobody is abusing anyone here, just pointing out the obvious.

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.

It says something that the church takes such a self-righteous stance against abortion while tolerating and covering up the sin that leads to it, namely fornication.

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't think you are making sense. It sounds like you are saying that we should worry about our material needs.

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

 

[MA2444]

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

But it's in the law of the Lord that is written on my heart. So do I go get laid or not? I'm saying no! Whether it's in the 10 commandments or not!

 

[Lizbeth]

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.


Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

Oh-oh, here come the false accusations and justification for sin. I'm sad for you Wrangler.

 

[MA2444]

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

Oh come on Brother. Talk to me about this. You know a lot about women, but we're talking about the Lord now, and you said it is an ugly thing to over-spiritualize the Lord.

I asked you to explain that, and you wont. Why not?

 

[MA2444]

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.

You seem to be dodging the subject or at the least the convo!

What about the Christians who are avoiding their spiritual responsibilities by focusing on the world and it's people who neglect all aspects of the spiritual world and our Lord, calling it, over-spiritualization! Did the Lord not say to seek the Kingdom of God first? To seek Him, the Lord, first in all things?

How is that ugly over-spiritualization?

 

[MA2444]

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

Excuse me Brother, but there are a heck of a lot more than 10 commandments in the Bible!

All you have to do is pick it up and read it! It's full of Commandments !! Would you like some examples?

 

[Lizbeth]

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

He being God was meeting those needs, while demonstrating Who He was/is. We need ears to hear for all these things. We're told to seek those things which are ABOVE. Most of us are more double-minded than we realize and have been trying to serve both God and mammon at the same time, me included. This is an UP-ward call and we need to come up higher.

This world runs on greed and self-interest, that's its gas, and its source is the god of this world. The powers that be are Godless, deceived, self-serving, and have no scruples. They just are always working to get away with whatever they can get away with. See why we are to be in the world but NOT OF it?

 

[Wrangler]

you said it is an ugly thing to over-spiritualize the Lord.

I asked you to explain that, and you wont. Why not?

I don’t know how you inserted ‘the Lord’ into this. My statement is many Christians are over-spiritualized, ignoring the soulful needs of the body.

You bear false witness in claiming I did not explain it to you for I quoted James 2: 14-17 for the 3rd time now. I guess these verses have no practical application in your mind. So be it.

here come the false accusations and justification for sin. I'm sad for you Wrangler.

Huh?

 

[Wrangler]

Did the Lord not say to seek the Kingdom of God first?

I’m not going to do laps with you on ground already covered.

Just because I have material needs does not mean I don't put God first. Jesus put God first but also focused on people's material needs.

 

[Wrangler]

He being God was meeting those needs

As if that what James 2:14-17 says; do nothing to meet the soulful, physical, material needs of others, wait on God.

Honestly, this exchange disgusts me! Scripture tells us to seek, knock and ask - not be over spiritualized, passively do nothing while people’s needs go ignored.

 

[MA2444]

He being God was meeting those needs, while demonstrating Who He was/is. We need ears to hear for all these things. We're told to seek those things which are ABOVE. Most of us are more double-minded than we realize and have been trying to serve both God and mammon at the same time, me included. This is an UP-ward call and we need to come up higher.

This world runs on greed and self-interest, that's its gas, and its source is the god of this world. The powers that be are Godless, deceived, self-serving, and have no scruples. They just are always working to get away with whatever they can get away with. See why we are to be in the world but NOT OF it?

Me too. it takes some reorganizing in my mind to look to the spiritual all the day long. I started inviting the Lord with me everywhere, even to the Supermarket! If I remember right, every time I asked him should I buy this? That? He has always said no. Then I put it together and just ask Him to protect my eyes while I am in the grocery story from what I should not see. And stuff like that. You know what I found out? It is not hard to look to the spiritual while in the world.

So it's not a over-spiritualization that is happening to Christianity, it is an under-spiritualization. The time is here to worship in spirit and in truth.

 

[MA2444]

I’m not going to do laps with you on ground already covered.

You havent done any laps yet. Only thing you did was to put up a banner! And it is slightly skewed whether you want to admit it or not.

So no one can ask questions of you Brother? That's odd.I asked you to expound on what you meant in my first post to you this morning. You dodged it! You wouldn't expound in the least.

 

[MA2444]

What? How can that be? Ugly? Over-spiritualization of Christianity abandons the soulful needs of people? How can that statement possibly be true. Oh, please expound on that one brother!

Because I see the truth as..."Only in spiritualization of Christianity showing itself, would it address the soulful needs of people..."

With the spiritualization of Christianity being only fancy talk for "Relationship with Jesus"

Right?

Here again the ugly over-spiritualization of Christianity shows itself, abandoning the soulful needs of people.

The purpose of business is to make money, profit. On this, we are all of the same religion. The purpose of government is security. Thus, business economics and government are bedfellows.

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

There is no Christian virtue that opposes any of this for Christ said to give into Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Ok so it was yesterday I first asked. But I responded to your first paragraph of this post with (the post above it, I got em mixed up quoting them in order lol).

Will you please explain what you meant? (Because you have not yet!)

 

[Lizbeth]

As if that what James 2:14-17 says; do nothing to meet the soulful, physical, material needs of others, wait on God.

Honestly, this exchange disgusts me! Scripture tells us to seek, knock and ask - not be over spiritualized, passively do nothing while people’s needs go ignored.

That's not what we are saying here. God's wisdom is that we "may use the things of this world" as long as we don't set our hearts on them...not be putting our trust in things of this world, idolizing or coveting. Use them for our needs or to meet needs of others. If you happen to live in a democratic country and in all good conscience you believe one political candidate will do good for the country I believe you may advocate and vote for them, that is just a practical thing of hiring someone to administrate. But that is not where our trust and reliance is to be, is it? It's not what we are to set our hearts on.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

President Trump calls Don Jr. during event in Greenland to tell the people why it should become part of America​

“I Think it is a Great Idea. 51st State!!!” – President Trump Continues Calls for Annexation of Canada​

I'm not sure what Trump's gameplan is here with Greenland and Canada. Perhaps, it's an extension of the Monroe Doctrine, and he's trying to separate the spheres of influence between Western hemisphere and the Eastern hemisphere. Not just divesting the America's from Europe's influence but also from China's influence. This would make sense with his recent comments about the Panama Canal. If he can pull any of this off it will be unprecedented.

This will not happen with Canada. I think he plants a seed of unity, for purposes of future cooperation, business deals, etc. A common business strategy is to invite a client into your home, break bread, make them feel like family, then it is easier to get them to cooperate.
Same with Greenland.
As far as Panama goes, they may need money.

 

[Wrangler]

I asked you to expound on what you meant in my first post to you this morning. You dodged it! You wouldn't expound in the least.

Specify. What set of posts and which of my replies did you feel insufficiently expounded?

 

[Wrangler]

That's not what we are saying here. God's wisdom is that we "may use the things of this world" as long as we don't set our hearts on them

Here, we disagree. Over compensating is over spiritualizing. Guarding too much against what is red. There’s nothing wrong with wanting your material needs met - and acting to meet them.

 

[Wrangler]

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

Will you please explain what you meant?

I think my explanation was perfectly clear. So, let me ask some clarifying questions that may allow the conversation to move forward. What’s wrong with the US pursuing success? What’s wrong with expanding our security perimeter to include Canada, Greenland and the Panama Canal.