Trump vying for Greenland and Canada
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Of course I have.
Either way you need to speak plainly. Explain what you’re trying to convey.
Wick Stick
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The world is already against the U.S., with few exceptions - Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, South Korea, and Taiwan.
Are you quite sure? From where I'm sitting, we not only survive as a country, we support 1/3 of the world's other countries in one fashion or another.
The world isn’t against us, not yet, but if we continue down this path, it will be.
Yes, I am very sure. There are resources that the US doesn’t have that we get from others. We need world trade.
Just because we support some other countries doesn’t mean that we don’t need others around countries to survive.
quietthinker
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The manifestation of mental illness is the focus and primary interest of the self. The idea of self sacrifice is not on the horizon
Wrangler
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After reading this article, I realize people STILL don’t get Trump’s 4D chess in deal making. Europe is unflinching in opposed to Trump’s Greenland gambit. I’m sure they’ll be content fighting off Russia by themselves in Ukraine. Let’s review the options oh how Trump sets America up to win.
1. STATUS QUO. Is over. America will no longer give money or material —> America wins. Ukraine loses money but gets American support.
2. America walks away from those who want to fight and Europe’s tough talk, saving blood and treasure in withdrawing our troops and military hardware —> America wins. Europe loses. Ukraine loses.
3. America gets Greenland —> America wins. Europe wins. Ukraine wins.
I’m sick of people all over the world taking advantage of us. Our good will got taken advantage of for a century. Denmark and Urope doesn’t like Trump’s terms? Maybe they’ll find Russia or China’s deal more palatable, I.e., total military takeover.
1. STATUS QUO. Is over. America will no longer give money or material —> America wins. Ukraine loses money but gets American support.
2. America walks away from those who want to fight and Europe’s tough talk, saving blood and treasure in withdrawing our troops and military hardware —> America wins. Europe loses. Ukraine loses.
3. America gets Greenland —> America wins. Europe wins. Ukraine wins.
I’m sick of people all over the world taking advantage of us. Our good will got taken advantage of for a century. Denmark and Urope doesn’t like Trump’s terms? Maybe they’ll find Russia or China’s deal more palatable, I.e., total military takeover.
Wick Stick
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We're the world's latest hegemon. There necessarily follows a sentiment of anti-hegemony. This is a matter of historical record.
From my short list of allies, the Saudis provide crude oil, a need. Taiwan provides semiconductor microchips, another need.
Beyond that, we are quite interdependent with China, who is clearly NOT an ally. We also have extensive trade with other countries in southeast Asia that are NOT allies - Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. You don't always need to be friends to do business.
quietthinker
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I guess you'll never escape your 'good will' in dispossessing the indigenous of the country you have usurped while continuing to invade other countries, patting yourselves on the back in the process.
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You mean like Denmark did in Greenland?
Also, I just explained how we did not do that after WWI or WWII. No credit where it is due. Finally, Trump is not looking to dispossess those in Greenland; only its overlord, Denmark.
It seems to me there is a lot of naivety and misinformation around here.
After the WWII, the democratic, "western" world entered into an agreement, partly written and partly unwritten, with the USA:
- The USA will be a protector of free world and will protect smaller countries against invasions and threats from stronger countries
- The world, namely Europe, will be paying the US for that (financing debt, using $, hosting the US military bases)
Throughout history, Europe has played a pivotal role in stabilizing the U.S. economy, notably during the 2008 financial crisis. European financial institutions acquired risky real estate derivatives from the U.S., and following the market collapse, European governments had to intervene with hundreds of billions of euros to cover the losses.
This is now changing. Trump is publicly declaring that the US army, financed mostly by Europe (and, surprise surprise, by China), no longer serves the world, but only to American national interests. In other words, America is threatening to use the strong military paid for by the world against those nations that finance it.
So, the world, namely Europe, has two options:
a) to continue financing the bully or at best the unreliable and unpredictable ally who will maybe come to help Europe, maybe not and maybe even will attack Europe
b) to get rid off the US bonds (estimated $ 8 trillions just in Europe), to buy real assets instead and create their own force and new alliances
This may be a very quick end of America as we know it. A bankrupt country, long deep depression, no investments from abroad. Other countries will no more buy the US debt nor the US stocks (which are mostly just the IT bubble).
Rather than expressing gratitude to allies for providing the U.S. virtually unrestricted credit for so long, the current administration acts arrogantly and loses credibility on every side.
After the WWII, the democratic, "western" world entered into an agreement, partly written and partly unwritten, with the USA:
- The USA will be a protector of free world and will protect smaller countries against invasions and threats from stronger countries
- The world, namely Europe, will be paying the US for that (financing debt, using $, hosting the US military bases)
Throughout history, Europe has played a pivotal role in stabilizing the U.S. economy, notably during the 2008 financial crisis. European financial institutions acquired risky real estate derivatives from the U.S., and following the market collapse, European governments had to intervene with hundreds of billions of euros to cover the losses.
This is now changing. Trump is publicly declaring that the US army, financed mostly by Europe (and, surprise surprise, by China), no longer serves the world, but only to American national interests. In other words, America is threatening to use the strong military paid for by the world against those nations that finance it.
So, the world, namely Europe, has two options:
a) to continue financing the bully or at best the unreliable and unpredictable ally who will maybe come to help Europe, maybe not and maybe even will attack Europe
b) to get rid off the US bonds (estimated $ 8 trillions just in Europe), to buy real assets instead and create their own force and new alliances
This may be a very quick end of America as we know it. A bankrupt country, long deep depression, no investments from abroad. Other countries will no more buy the US debt nor the US stocks (which are mostly just the IT bubble).
Rather than expressing gratitude to allies for providing the U.S. virtually unrestricted credit for so long, the current administration acts arrogantly and loses credibility on every side.
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So much projection in this thread. So much disinformation. Since your starting premise is flawed, everything that flows from that is flawed. HINT: Sovereignty is national, not global.
It is more blessed to give than to receive. American largess and generosity beautified her and was pleasing to God I would have thought. Be thankful you were in a position to be the best giver in the world...it was because you had more to be able to give. If we're Christian followers of Christ we need to think like a Christian and not like a politician. Let politicians think like politicians but let us have the mind of Christ.
Advancing own self-interests is what Russia and China are attempting to do , and dare I say it, Germany in WWII. Self interest is the bane of this fallen world. But I understand governments should act practically for the interests of their country and citizens....as long as they do so lawfully and justly in God's sight.
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This speaks to individual charity, not government. The purpose of government is to protect its citizens and their property, not be a charitable organization.
I think God deals with nations on a national level too, as well as individuals on an individual level. As long as the citizens are willing and the nation is blessed enough materially, I think it's a good thing for governments to use some of their resources/revenue for such things as disaster relief, etc. I don't mean they should stretch themselves to the hurt of their own nation, but help others so far as they can reasonably. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion....righteousness exalts a nation.
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It seems you do not understand the economic relations between nations established after the WWII. You just repeat some slogan-like proclamations that look like from political leaflets.
Wrong again. The debt is mostly domestic. Americans consume much more than they can afford. It has been financed by the rest of the world for almost a century - China has been sending real goods and resources and got just printed "paper" money that are worth less and less. Therefore, China was buying a lot of the US debt just to continue the trade with the US and to keep the US solvent. This circle is also ending, now. China trades with other countries instead of with the US.Being $38T in debt, the US has unreasonably helped.
Europe and Japan invested heavily into the US economy, too.
But now:
EU and South America’s Mercosur bloc sign landmark free trade agreement
EU freezes work on US trade deal ‘indefinitely’ after Trump’s Greenland and tariff threats
Canada's deal with China signals it is serious about shift from US
Canada signs deal deepening European defence and security partnership
Etc. If you do not see the writing on the wall, I do not know what to say to you. The world is moving forward without the US. Trade agreements, defense alliances - without America.
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Triumph1300
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Tent cities, people living in cars and sleeping on the sidewalks/in parks in every larger city.
THAT should tell you something.
The word is "declining prosperity".
Trump is a liar.
