Two Days

[Keraz]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 When the Command is given, when the Archangels voice is heard, when God’s Trumpet sounds, then the Lord Himself will descend from heaven...

This prophesies the glorious Return of Jesus to gather His faithful Christian peoples to where He is; in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:17


1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need to write to you. For you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.

While other people are saying: Now we have peace and safety, then; sudden destruction will come upon them.... and there will be no escape.


Are these prophesies talking about the same event?

The Book of Revelation is where we can find a sequence of the end times events.

In Revelation 6:12-17, the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, by fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis is described, plus over 100 other prophesies also describe this Day of vengeance, His fury and anger against the nations. The Lord is not seen on this Day. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:4 BEFORE the Return!


The Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, as the Son of Man, is the sudden, shocking and unexpected Day, a world changer, which will set the stage for the establishment of a One World Govt. Daniel 7:23-27, Revelation 13:1-8

The faithful Christian peoples, will pass safely through this literal Day of worldwide disaster. We are told what to do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13


The Day of the Lord’s glorious Return; As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Much has to happen before we get to Revelation 19:11-13, where Jesus is described as coming in garments already splashed in blood. Got from His previous Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6 and Revelation 14:17-20

It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5


He destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan. Jesus just separates the nations at this time. Matthew 25:31-33

Jesus then commences His thousand year earthly reign, on David’s Throne, in the new Temple in Jerusalem. As Isaiah 65:18-25, Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.


Conclusion: 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Thess 5:1-3 are about 2 separate Days, several years apart. Paul; like the other Prophets, doesn’t put them into their correct sequence.

The final Judgment happens after the Millennium. Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:11-15 Then comes Eternity.

 

[Ruminator]

Hi @Keraz You wrote:

...It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5...

May I ask what Temple Satan will desecrate?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Luke 12:40=You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when ""you do not expect him.”"===Catching up (rapture)
With the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (17) After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

1Th 1:9-10 For they themselves report... how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

 

[Keraz]

Hi @Keraz You wrote:

...It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5...

May I ask what Temple Satan will desecrate?

The Temple that the Christian peoples will build, Zechariah 6:15, as described in Ezekiel 40 to 46, Haggai 2:8-9, Zechariah 8:9, +
Jesus will Return to it and will reign from it. Zechariah 14:16-21, Isaiah 2:1-3

 

[Davy]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 When the Command is given, when the Archangels voice is heard, when God’s Trumpet sounds, then the Lord Himself will descend from heaven...

This prophesies the glorious Return of Jesus to gather His faithful Christian peoples to where He is; in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:17


1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need to write to you. For you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.

While other people are saying: Now we have peace and safety, then; sudden destruction will come upon them.... and there will be no escape.


Are these prophesies talking about the same event?

The Book of Revelation is where we can find a sequence of the end times events.

In Revelation 6:12-17, the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, by fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis is described, plus over 100 other prophesies also describe this Day of vengeance, His fury and anger against the nations. The Lord is not seen on this Day. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:4 BEFORE the Return!


The Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, as the Son of Man, is the sudden, shocking and unexpected Day, a world changer, which will set the stage for the establishment of a One World Govt. Daniel 7:23-27, Revelation 13:1-8

The faithful Christian peoples, will pass safely through this literal Day of worldwide disaster. We are told what to do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13


The Day of the Lord’s glorious Return; As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Much has to happen before we get to Revelation 19:11-13, where Jesus is described as coming in garments already splashed in blood. Got from His previous Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6 and Revelation 14:17-20

It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5


He destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan. Jesus just separates the nations at this time. Matthew 25:31-33

Jesus then commences His thousand year earthly reign, on David’s Throne, in the new Temple in Jerusalem. As Isaiah 65:18-25, Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.


Conclusion: 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Thess 5:1-3 are about 2 separate Days, several years apart. Paul; like the other Prophets, doesn’t put them into their correct sequence.

The final Judgment happens after the Millennium. Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:11-15 Then comes Eternity.

You've got the order of when the beast's one-world kingdom is setup in the wrong time. Satan's one-world beast kingdom happens over all the earth first, and then Christ's coming is after that to end it. The day of Christ's coming is the 'last day' of this present world, which is to be destroyed by God's consuming fire, on... that same day. That is what the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief" is about (2 Peter 3:10). It is the same day Jesus said He comes "as a thief" (Revelation 16:15).

 

[Keraz]

You've got the order of when the beast's one-world kingdom is setup in the wrong time. Satan's one-world beast kingdom happens over all the earth first, and then Christ's coming is after that to end it. The day of Christ's coming is the 'last day' of this present world, which is to be destroyed by God's consuming fire, on... that same day. That is what the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief" is about (2 Peter 3:10). It is the same day Jesus said He comes "as a thief" (Revelation 16:15).

I agree that Satan: the Anti-Christ, will rule the world for the 42 months before Jesus Returns.

My point in the OP, is that in order for the AC to rise, there must be a dramatic world changer.
How can you possibly think that Jesus will Return; as a thief? That idea is quite preposterous. He comes then in glory and heralded by the Shout of God and trumpet blasts; 1 Thessalonians 4:16
But a few years before that glorious Day, He will SEND fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis to destroy the attackers of Israel and His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-17, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, The Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.

The world is NOT destroyed at the Return; again a crazy notion! Jesus will Return to rule for the next 1000 years, as many prophesies state. AFTER the Millennium, the NH, NE will come. Revelation 21

 

[Davy]

I agree that Satan: the Anti-Christ, will rule the world for the 42 months before Jesus Returns.

My point in the OP, is that in order for the AC to rise, there must be a dramatic world changer.

There probably will be some kind of pimple to pop just prior to the AC showing up. That's why the majority are expecting world chaos for the time of Christ's return, which in reality, it's to happen just prior to the Antichrist's coming, so the majority of the world will be fooled into thinking he is Christ.

But the events of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked, the "sudden destruction" event Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5, that happens on the day of Christ's return to END Antichrist's reign. That is "day of the Lord" timing.

How can you possibly think that Jesus will Return; as a thief? That idea is quite preposterous.

You obviously don't understand what He said...

Rev 16:15-17

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
KJV

Jesus first gave that "as a thief" analogy in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13, when giving the main Signs of the end of this world leading up to His future return. Apostle Paul was only repeating it in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 when he said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". So HOW... in the world could you miss that???!!!???

 

[Keraz]

There probably will be some kind of pimple to pop just prior to the AC showing up.

Yeah, just the whole world devastated and our modern infrastructure destroyed. With at least 2 billion killed. Isaiah 13:12, Jeremiah 25:33, Psalms 37:20, +

But the events of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked, the "sudden destruction" event Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5, that happens on the day of Christ's return to END Antichrist's reign. That is "day of the Lord" timing.

That you are wrong is easily seen by Revelation 19:15. Jesus merely uses the Sword of His Word to destroy the armies at Armageddon. Daniel 11:45

You obviously don't understand what He said...

What you and many don't understand, is which Day of the Lord Jesus was referring to.
He does not Return in vengeance and wrath or unexpectedly. That happens several years before, proved by many vividly described prophesies. Jesus Return is a glorious event, that will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

 

[Davy]

Yeah, just the whole world devastated and our modern infrastructure destroyed. With at least 2 billion killed. Isaiah 13:12, Jeremiah 25:33, Psalms 37:20, +

You are only regurgitating what those on a false Pre-trib Rapture theory believe of how the "great tribulation" is going to be. The end time destruction upon the world is not... for the tribulation, but for the end of it when Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", as I showed from God's Word.

That you are wrong is easily seen by Revelation 19:15. Jesus merely uses the Sword of His Word to destroy the armies at Armageddon. Daniel 11:45

The day of Jesus' return on the "day of the Lord" is the very LAST DAY of this present world. That is when Apostle Paul's "sudden destruction" upon the wicked who say, "Peace and safety" will occur, and not before. That is why Lord Jesus said He comes "as a thief" in Revelation 16. It is also why He was warning His faithful by His Olivet discourse that if the goodman of the house watches he won't suffer to allow the thief to break in.

What you and many don't understand, is which Day of the Lord Jesus was referring to.
He does not Return in vengeance and wrath or unexpectedly. That happens several years before, proved by many vividly described prophesies. Jesus Return is a glorious event, that will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

I well understand what the "day of the Lord" is. It is the day when Jesus appears coming in the clouds, like Revelation 1 says. It is the day when His feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, and forms a great valley there, and begins His future reign over all nations, with even the leftovers of the armies that come upon Israel on the last day being made to come to Jerusalem from year to year to worship Him, and keep the feast of tabernacles (Zechariah 14). It is the day when Apostle Peter said the elements of man's works will be burned... off this earth per 2 Peter 3:10.

Thus your slander in trying to destroy my credibility in God's Word just isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

[Keraz]

You are only regurgitating what those on a false Pre-trib Rapture theory believe of how the "great tribulation" is going to be. The end time destruction upon the world is not... for the tribulation, but for the end of it when Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", as I showed from God's Word.

We agree that there will be no 'rapture removal' of the Church.

But you are confused about what happens when Jesus Returns.
Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 15:1 are perfectly clear: The Lords wrath is over BEFORE Jesus Returns. The OP of this thread makes that clear.

The Final end of the earth and physical mankind is after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
Your credibility is fine, as long as you avoid speculation and keep to what the Prophets actually say.

 

[Davy]

We agree that there will be no 'rapture removal' of the Church.

Don't try to put your words in my mouth, I've already shown how you fail miserably in trying to do that.

I NEVER said there was NO rapture of the Church anywhere... in my writings. I simply don't call it a 'rapture', as that word was derived from a Latin translation of Greek 'harpazo' which is... written in the Greek New Testament manuscripts, and translated to "caught up"in the KJV Bible. There's actually two or three Scripture examples of that "caught up" idea, one even about Philip who was translated to another place on earth immediately after he witnessed The Gospel to the Ethiopian.

What I deny from men's doctrine of the Pre-trib Rapture theory is its TIMING. You get that, right? i.e, 'Pre-trib Rapture'? I also deny that it's about a rapture up into the clouds to live, which they believe.

But you are confused about what happens when Jesus Returns.
Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 15:1 are perfectly clear: The Lords wrath is over BEFORE Jesus Returns. The OP of this thread makes that clear.

NO, I am not... confused about what happens when Lord Jesus returns. I like to STAY WITH SCRIPTURE AS WRITTEN. That ain't something you are doing, as you are in denial of those 'wrath' events I showed you within the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial.

You reveal by what you said about the "sudden destruction" of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 that YOU do not understand those events, for Apostle Paul was pulling from the OT prophets there about the LAST DAY of this world with the "day of the Lord". That day is to come 'at an instant, suddenly' per the OT prophets.

The 'wrath' to occur on the LAST DAY, on the "day of the Lord", is about the final cup of God's Wrath on the 7th Vial. That is where you are in confusion. This is why 2 Peter 3:10 tells you that man's works are burned up on that day, so can those previous Vials of wrath happen after that final cup of wrath on the 7th Vial? No way! That is what you are confused about. The vials of wrath prior to the final 7th one are about the plagues upon the wicked beast kingdom during the time of God's two witnesses in Jerusalem that prophesy there for 1260 days, and then are killed. The FINAL cup of wrath, the 7th Vial, is poured IN THE AIR, and not upon the earth, if you will take time and READ.

 

[Keraz]

The idea that the world will be burned up when Jesus Returns, is quite wrong and cannot happen.
Jesus Returns to rule over the world for the next 1000 years. THEN the New heavens and earth will come.

You remain confused about when Jesus comes unexpectedly. { As a thief]
This cannot apply to His Return; heralded by a trumpet blast: 1 Thess 4:16

The Seventh Bowl, Revelation 16:17-18, is all about the destruction of the armies gathered at Armageddon. As Revelation 16:16 makes clear.

The terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal; will strike suddenly and will shock the world. Isaiah 47:9-11, Jeremiah 6:26, 1 Thess 5:3

 

[Davy]

The idea that the world will be burned up when Jesus Returns, is quite wrong and cannot happen.
Jesus Returns to rule over the world for the next 1000 years. THEN the New heavens and earth will come.

You remain confused about when Jesus comes unexpectedly. { As a thief]
This cannot apply to His Return; heralded by a trumpet blast: 1 Thess 4:16

The Seventh Bowl, Revelation 16:17-18, is all about the destruction of the armies gathered at Armageddon. As Revelation 16:16 makes clear.

The terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal; will strike suddenly and will shock the world. Isaiah 47:9-11, Jeremiah 6:26, 1 Thess 5:3

You have been shown per Scripture in God's Word. It's up to you to heed The Scripture, or not. So far, you show you reject The Scripture.

 

[Keraz]

You have been shown per Scripture in God's Word. It's up to you to heed The Scripture, or not. So far, you show you reject The Scripture.

I provided six scriptures to support my post #12.
I proved;
That Jesus does not Return unexpectedly.
The 7th Bowl is not the final end of everything.
The Sixth Seal will be the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord.

What I do not heed and I rebut, using scripture; is false ideas and theories.

 

[Davy]

I provided six scriptures to support my post #12.
I proved;
That Jesus does not Return unexpectedly.
The 7th Bowl is not the final end of everything.
The Sixth Seal will be the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord.

What I do not heed and I rebut, using scripture; is false ideas and theories.

You never addressed any of the Scriptures I've been posting, so don't give me that falseness like you've tried to show me in Scripture, when you clearly steer around what I gave. So go play your games with someone else. I never should have responded to your posts in the first place.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Hi @Keraz You wrote:

...It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5...

May I ask what Temple Satan will desecrate?

Equally suspect is that we're ALREADY in the Tribulation, and it didn't start with any DESECRATION.

Perhaps some people's prophetic understanding is as the blind man who was PARTIALLY healed, where he saw men that looked like trees, and then Jesus had to pray for him a SECOND TIME for his sight to be made COMPLETE.


Bobby Jo

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[Dave Watchman]

Perhaps some people's prophetic understanding is as the blind man who was PARTIALLY healed, where he saw men that looked like trees, and then Jesus had to pray for him a SECOND TIME for his sight to be made COMPLETE.

Thank you for posting Bobby Jo.

You remain a reassuring constant in an increasingly unstable world.

Equally suspect is that we're ALREADY in the Tribulation, and it didn't start with any DESECRATION.

There was a guy on this forum who thinks those days are shortened down to 5 months.

I think it needs to be a bit longer, to make room for the first 4 trumpets.

I think the first part, the 1290, began years before Covid, with an Abomination DESECRATION, and that rolled us right into the 1335.

I suspect it all to culminate in the middle of the heptad, + 40 days.

It's the same template which happened already.

We're heading for the same time again when the two men dressed in white raiment asked the men of Galilee why they stand here looking into the sky.

This same Jesus is returning the same way that they saw Him go.

Coming in a cloud, in the middle of the heptad.

(+ 40 days)

 

[Keraz]

The Lords Day of Vengeance and The Great Day of the Sovereign Lord:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 ... when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire. Then he will mete out punishment to those who refuse to acknowledge God and who will not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, cut off from the presence of God. When, on that great Day He comes to reveal His glory amongst His own and His majesty to all believers.
Do not confuse this passage with the Return of Jesus in His glory. He does NOT come in fire then, or punish all the ungodly. This time, at the Sixth Seal event, He reveals Himself only to those who believe in Him and keep His Laws. Isaiah 24:23, Zechariah 9:14-17, Revelation 14:1

1/ The Day of Vengeance and the wrath of God;

Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven,….. He will rain fiery coals onto the wicked….

Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, His sword will test mankind.

Micah 5:15 In anger and fury, I shall wreak vengeance on the nations who disobey Me.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously; You trample down the nations.

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes; burning like a furnace, evildoers will be as stubble.

Hebrews 10:27...a terrifying judgement of fire that will consume God’s enemies.

Isaiah 30:26 On the day that the Lord saves His people,[born again Christians] the sun will shine with seven times its usual strength.. and the moon will be as bright as the sun.

Revelation 14:17-20 ..the angel with authority over fire....the winepress of God’s wrath…

So, we see that the first event is the Lord sending fire by the means of an earth directed explosion of the suns surface, literally causing all the graphic effects prophesied.


2/ The Great Day of the Sovereign Lord; the Return of the Lord Jesus; Rev 16:14b

Matthew 24:29-31 As soon as this time of distress has passed [the Tribulation] the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light, the stars will fall and all the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Then ALL the peoples will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. With a trumpet blast He will send His angels to gather His chosen from the farthest corners of the world. These will be all the people who have kept faithful to the Lord during the Tribulation as all the Christians will be living in the Land soon after the Day of vengeance. Rev 12:6-17

Revelation 19:11-21....Jesus Returns and the destroys Satan’s armies, by the Sword of His Word and Satan is bound until the end of the 1000 years. Zechariah 14:3-5


There will be four judgement/punishments, the first to happen soon, the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis against the nations, that will particularly affect the Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5 This will enable His people, every faithful Christian person, Jew or Gentile, to resettle the Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16

Then, later comes the Gog/Magog attack and their destruction. Ezekiel 38 & 39

At the Return of Jesus, He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ. Revelation 19:17-21 Then, at the end of the Millennium, there is another attack by a huge army, then comes the Great White Throne judgement of all people alive and dead.

Note: that in Rev 19:13 Jesus Returns in a garment dyed in blood. In Isaiah 63:3 He tramples the nations....and their blood spattered all his clothing. From this and the sequence in 2 Thessalonians, we can say that the Day of the Lord’s wrath- the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-17 will be the next prophesied event of the end times.
Reference REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

 

[Keraz]

The next Prophesied event that the world will experience will be the Sixth Seal. Revelation 6:12-17 Proved by how the first Five Seals were opened at Jesus’ Ascent to heaven. Revelation 6:1-11 All those things have happened, we have experienced wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters aplenty. Any more of those and humankind would have been wiped out.
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, of cosmic and earthly events; graphically prophesied in the Bible over 100 times, will cause the earth to shudder and shake, and move out of her place....Isaiah 13:13, Isaiah 24:19-20, Revelation 6:14

It will be just a one Day event, as the Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface, that the Lord will instigate, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, will quickly pass; travelling at 3.5 million mph. But the strike onto the earth of a multi billion ton mass, of superheated Hydrogen plasma, will literally cause all the prophesied effects of the virtual depopulation of all the Middle East region, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Isaiah 13:9, Isaiah 66:17, and worldwide devastation.
It won't affect the daily rotation of the earth, ask any scientist to tell you how totally destructive a sudden change to the earths spin would be.

What it will do is speed up the earth’s orbit by pushing the earth as it moves now at 66,000 mph on its orbital track. Just imagine it; a mass approaching a fast moving object, some may initially hit direct, then the main mass; pressing on the trailing side. This will speed up our 365.24 day year to a 360 day year.
Making the time periods as given by Daniel and Revelation fit exactly!

Regarding the darkness on that Day: Amos 5:18-20, Joel 2:31,
The sun will be obscured by the approaching mass, then when it has passed, there will be smoke and ash clouds for possibly months. Isaiah 60:2

The effects of the earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. plus the moon shining bright red and the earths atmosphere being pushed aside, are what a massive CME can and will cause.

Because this will be a seemingly natural disaster, those who disbelieve in God, will continue in their disbelief and when the Leader of the One World Govt demands worship of him, they will be happy to do so. Revelation 13:8

 

[Keraz]

Because there are some similarities with the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 19:11-21, which refers to the Return of Jesus and between the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath that happens at the Sixth Seal, Rev. 6:12-17, then some people consider them as the same event.

This is not and cannot be correct, as the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgement-punishments as written in Revelation are clearly a consecutive series of events, with the Return at the end of all that. We are especially warned to not alter the book of Revelation. Rev 22:19

Matthew 24:27-30 Like a lightning flash over all the earth, so will the Presence of the Son of Man be. Where the dead are, the vultures will gather.

Then, immediately after the days of tribulation, the sun and moon will be darkened, stars will fall and then will appear the Lord Jesus. Everyone will mourn as He comes on the clouds with great power and glory.

Note that the moon will be blood red at the Day of the Lord’s wrath - Acts 2:20, whereas at the Return, the sun and moon will be darkened. It is patently obvious that there are two events described above, first is the Sixth Seal, when the Lord instigates the ‘lightning flash’ of His Day of vengeance and wrath, at the punishment of the nations when He is not seen, He stays in heaven; Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1 - sending down fire, then it isn’t until after the Seventh Seal time gap of several years and at the end of the Great Tribulation, that He Returns in glory to commence His Millennial reign. The Lord Jesus comes on the clouds, Matthew 24:30, in His garment splashed with blood; from His previous punishment of the nations. Isaiah 63:1-6

Where the dead are; where those carrion birds gather, is mainly in the Middle East, but also around the world as many prophesies say. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Psalm 83:1-18, Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 25:33, Deut. 32:41, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Nahum 1:3-6, 2 Peter 3:10


These Bible passages also state the next prophesied event, the Day of the Lord’s wrath and what the ‘lightning flash’ is that will affect all the world is explained to us in:

Isaiah 30:26-30…the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength, on the Day the Lord saves His people. Look! The power of the Lord comes from afar, with His wrath and great rage blazing, His tongue as a devouring fire… He sieves out the nations for destruction. His arm will strike them down with flames of devouring fire, floods, hailstones and storm tempest. But for you, [Christians] there will be rejoicing, as you march to the holy Land, to the Rock of Israel.

Isaiah 42:14-16 Long have I restrained Myself… now I am ready to act. I shall dry up the streams, lay waste to the land and make it a desert. Then, I shall lead My people along new paths, I will make a light before them.

Psalm 97:1-12 The Lord reigns! In His justice, He flashes forth lightning’s and all the earth quakes. Cloud and thick mist enfolds Him as fire goes ahead, consuming all His enemies. The Lord’s people hear and rejoice as He rescues them. Psalm 18:7-15

Deuteronomy 32:36-43 The Lord will judge the nations, but will have compassion on His servants. His flashing sword of punishment will fall upon His enemies. He will take vengeance on all who hate Him and will cleanse His people’s Land.

Ezekiel 36:5-12 In the fiery heat of My anger, I will punish the nations, but especially those who inhabit My holy Land. Then you, Land of Israel, will put forth growth and bear produce, for the homecoming of My people is near. I will bless the Land and settle upon it many people – the whole Israelite people, they will increase and be prosperous, the burned houses and the ruined places will be rebuilt.

Zechariah 9:14-17 The Lord comes on a mighty storm wind from the South. He will sound the shofar, as His arrows dart like lightning, defeating the enemy and defending His people. They will rejoice, as with wine, on the Day their Lord saves them, for they are as precious jewels sparkling in the holy Land.

Joel 2:11 & 18 The Lord thunders as He marshals His forces, countless are those who obey His commands. For great and terrible is the Day of the Lord and who can endure it? Then the Lord shows His love for the holy Land and has compassion for His righteous people.

Amos 9:5 & 14 At the Lord’s touch, the whole earth heaves, it will rise and fall like the Nile and woe to all who live on it. But I will restore the fortune of My people, righteous Israel, they will rebuild the ruined towns, sow and plant, then enjoy the produce.

Habakkuk 3:10-13 The mountains see You and shake, an enormous wave of water rushes by, the sun and moon stay still as Your flashing arrows and Your spear like lightning speed on their way. In fury, You traverse the earth, in anger You trample the nations, but You come out to save Your people, as You shatter the wicked; You protect Your anointed ones.

Malachi 4:1-3 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, when all the arrogant and evildoers will be burnt to a stubble, that Day will set them ablaze and leave neither root nor branch. But for you who fear My Name, the sun of righteousness will shine forth, you will be restored and break loose, like calves released. On the Day I take action, the wicked will be burnt ashes beneath your feet.

Revelation 14:12 &18-19 From the Altar came another angel, the one who has authority over fire and he called to the one with the sharp sickle: Put in your sharp sickle, for the earth’s harvest is ripe. So the angel swept the earth, gathered in the grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath.

All this calls for the endurance of the Lord’s people, all those who keep His commands and remain loyal to Him.

All these prophecies and many others, speak of a worldwide judgement by fire, a Coronal Mass Ejection, sun explosion that will depopulate the entire Middle East. Then the great gathering of the Christian Israelite people, the true descendants and those grafted in, will gather and live in all of the holy Land. They will choose their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11. The Lord will ‘reveal His glory among His own’ 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Rev. 14:1, but not to the world, until several years later.

Like most of the prophetic Word, Revelation is somewhat mixed up. But the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls are one of the few instances of a correct sequence and from them, we can get a true picture of events. Note carefully, in Revelation 5:1; the description of the Scroll – written on both sides and sealed with seven seals. So the Seals are first, they must be removed one by one. The first five have been opened, probably soon after the ‘Lamb’ ascended to heaven.

The Sixth Seal is next, now very soon to happen. This sudden and shocking world changing event will enable the establishment of the One World Govt, also the gathering of the Lord’s people to all of the holy Land. That is what all Christians should be looking forward to!

At the same time, or very soon after the Sixth, is the 7th seal, which is undeniably a time interval. Then, years later, at the mid-point of Daniels 70th year, the scroll is unrolled for the Great Tribulation – the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls.


Revelation 7:1-14 After that, [the Sixth Seal] I saw four angels holding back any further disasters until the seal of God was given to His servants. Twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel received the seal of God.... and then I saw a great throng of people from all races, tribes, nations and tongues, praising the Lord. They have passed through great ordeal, been tested and found righteous. All the true faithful Christians.

‘holding back any further disasters’ This proves that the Great Tribulation is still to come.

‘great ordeal’ – Of the Sixth Seal. Some Bibles say ‘the great tribulation’, leading to wrongly thinking that the Day of the Lord’s wrath happens at the Return. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Cor. 3:13

‘the scorching heat of the sun’, -The devastating CME sunstrike of the Sixth Seal.

‘The 144,000 Israelites’, The Christian Israelites of God, chosen to go out to the world to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7