TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

[RenewedStrength316]

The gospel of the kingdom was the prophetic earthly kingdom and to say it begins in the heart is not stated stated clearly in Luke 17:21....it could be he meant he was in their midst.............in Luke 17:24 he does tell them they will see him
It is a different gospel

Doug, you're trying to sever the “gospel of the kingdom” from the gospel of grace—when Jesus Himself tied them together.

> “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation...
For behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
— Luke 17:20–21



You say “He was just in their midst”?

Fine. But if the King is in their midst, the kingdom is too—because you can’t separate the reign from the King.

And what does Paul say?

> “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
— Romans 14:17



That’s internal. That’s spiritual reign now.
Same King. Same Spirit. Same Gospel.

Jesus didn’t preach a different gospel from Paul.
Paul didn’t override Christ—he unveiled what was hidden in Him.

> “In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
— Colossians 2:3



So let me make this clear:

The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are not rivals.
They are one and the same gospel, unfolding through the same King, by the same blood, to form the same body.

Your “different gospel” theory isn’t biblical.

It’s divided theology—built on sand, not the Rock.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

[Col 1:5-6 KJV] 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Both Paul here and Jesus refer to their gospels preached in "all the world"...............whether hyperbole or not these verses still say "all the world" and the end of the world has not come

Doug, you’re caught trying to pit Paul’s gospel against Jesus’ gospel by playing the “all the world” card like it’s a stumbling block. But listen:

Paul and Jesus both say “all the world” because God’s mission is global, not geographical hyperbole. They preach the same gospel of salvation and kingdom—not two competing messages.

> “The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations.” — Matthew 24:14



This is a prophetic declaration of God’s global plan, fulfilled progressively—not a timestamp for the end of days.

Paul’s gospel is the same kingdom gospel—now revealed in fullness through Christ’s death and resurrection, made accessible to Jews and Gentiles alike.

You say “the end has not come, therefore different gospel”?

No.

The kingdom is advancing, expanding, but its fullness waits on Christ’s return.

> “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.” — Romans 14:17



Your theology traps God’s kingdom into a calendar box.

God’s plan transcends human timetables.

Stop dividing the gospel with dispensational fences.

The gospel is one.

The gospel is Christ crucified, risen, reigning.

The gospel is for all nations—now and forever.

 

[Doug]

You say “He was just in their midst”?

Fine. But if the King is in their midst, the kingdom is too—because you can’t separate the reign from the King.

Could be what he meant

 

[Kokyu]

Everyone here is dispensational.

No, I'm a born-again child of God, not under a dispensation, but under a new covenant made possible in and through Jesus Christ. See Hebrews 7-10:22.

 

[Doug]

No, I'm a born-again child of God, not under a dispensation, but under a new covenant made possible in and through Jesus Christ. See Hebrews 7-10:22.

Hebrews is written to Israel not the church the body of Christ in which Jesus is our head

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Hebrews is written to Israel not the church the bod of Christ in which Jesus is our head

It's interesting that you quoted me out of context knowing you could not refute the rest of the context.

MM

 

[St. SteVen]

[Col 1:23 KJV] 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul is saying here that the gospel WAS preached to EVERY creature, so therefore, the gospel WAS preached to the whole world. There was no creature under heaven, which is the world, who did not hear the gospel.

Does reading the Bible make people stupid? - It doesn't have to, but...

Based on observations on the forum, I have to wonder. Mindless parroting of memorized apologetics reveal a lack of cognitive ability. IMHO Does reading the Bible make people stupid? It doesn't have to, but... I have to ask. To be clear, there is plenty of good to learn from the Bible...

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Haven't you heard of all the unreached people groups in the world? (Joshua project)

People Groups of the World | Joshua Project

Joshua Project is a research initiative seeking to identify the ethnic people groups of the world with the fewest followers of Jesus.

joshuaproject.net

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[Kokyu]

Hebrews is written to Israel not the church the bod of Christ in which Jesus is our head

No, it is written to all who would be saved through the atoning work of Christ at Calvary. This is why it's in the Bible and not some other Jew-specific Christian text.

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Doug]

It's interesting that you quoted me out of context knowing you could not refute the rest of the context.

MM

I dont understand
I was responding to Kokyu

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Could be what he meant

“Could be” isn’t good enough when Scripture speaks with clarity.

Jesus said, “The kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21). That’s not speculation—it’s a declaration of present spiritual reality.

If the King reigns in hearts now, then the kingdom has already come in power, even if its fullness awaits the final consummation.

To hedge on this is to weaken the gospel’s truth that salvation is present and active, not just a future hope.

Faith demands certainty, not “could be.” The King is reigning now—whether you accept it or not.

 

[Doug]

No, it is written to all who would be saved through the atoning work of Christ at Calvary. This is why it's in the Bible and not some other Jew-specific Christian text.

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

very well