Tzitzit and Tallit, the Command to Wear a Four Cornered Garment with Fringes

[cgneustar]

Mercy to the saints, wrath on the unbelieving, Christ-rejecting world.

When he returns, everyone will have made a final decision concerning Christ. And therefore those who reject Him will be worthy of wrath.

But now we are in the age of grace; and God is extending his hand of mercy to all, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should come tom repentance.

Precisely, so never has there been a point where the "negatives" of the Torah have been done away with, such as executing the death penalty of the Torah on the disobedient, but rather, what has happened is that God has merely given man a a very long time to repent, around 2,000 years now, to cease doing evil, and begin obeying the commands of God in the Torah, before the second coming of the Messiah, which is when the death penalty of the Torah will be executed again, which is why the world be reduced to very few, because of [removed by moderator] like you who confuse this time of mercy thinking that God suddenly became lenient and lax in what he commanded before.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Messiah said, "by their fruits you will know them". What fruit? Their actions. Those who obey the commands of God can be readily seen, and will grow their beards and wear tallit and tefillin, whereas those who disobey will refuse to obey these simple commands of God, and much worse.

Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Tzitzit, tallit, and tefilin (and now you want to add a long beard?), are not mentioned here.

Why, because the fruit of the Spirit is virtue that comes from the Holy Spirit dwelling within us; and has nothing to do with the outward observance of ritualistic laws and requirements.

What you do on the outside will avail you nothing for salvation if you have not been changed on the inside.

 

[justbyfaith]

Precisely, so never has there been a point where the "negatives" of the Torah have been done away with, such as executing the death penalty of the Torah on the disobedient, but rather, what has happened is that God has merely given man a a very long time to repent, around 2,000 years now, to cease doing evil, and begin obeying the commands of God in the Torah, before the second coming of the Messiah, which is when the death penalty of the Torah will be executed again, which is why the world be reduced to very few, because of idiots like you who confuse this time of mercy thinking that God suddenly became lenient and lax in what he commanded before.

You are in danger of the council. So much for your perfect law-keeping.

 

[justbyfaith]

If it were impossible to stop sinning, the scripture would not then say, "he who is born of God cannot sin" and "you have been set free from sin". The Messiah came not to justify our continual lawlessness, but to perfect us, through his blood, which the blood of animales was never able to do.

Perhaps it is indeed possible to stop sinning in Christ (for I have already believed that it is indeed possible). But the motivation would be love for Christ and not obligation if anyone ever arrived to that point.

Also, the key verse for everyone to understand is Romans 7:6.

We are no longer bound to the letter; but we obey the spirit of the law.

And as such, tefilin at the very least is fulfilled in our hearts by Romans 10:8; and therefore obedience to the shadow is not necessary; because we have the substance.

And also, without forgiveness that comes through the blood of Christ, it will not avail you anything to stop sinning. Because, if you stop sinning, there are still the sins you committed before repenting, that are tallied to your account. Therefore if you are not forgiven through the blood of Christ, turning over a new leaf will avail for you nothing.

But if there is one thing we can learn from all of this, it is that if anyone wants to come to be acceptable before God by turning over a new leaf, they might even be required to wear a box on their head in order to find that acceptance; because anyone who desires to be accepted through the works of the law is required to do everything written in the book of the law, Galatians 3:10.

Nevertheless our acceptance in the Beloved does not come through law-keeping, but through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[cgneustar]

Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Tzitzit, tallit, and tefilin (and now you want to add a long beard?), are not mentioned here.

Why, because the fruit of the Spirit is virtue that comes from the Holy Spirit dwelling within us; and has nothing to do with the outward observance of ritualistic laws and requirements.

What you do on the outside will avail you nothing for salvation if you have not been changed on the inside.

The Torah commands that men also grow their beards. And there are many more commands in the Torah than just these, but if just these simple commands cause you to stumble, surely the many others will also, because of your rebelliousness to not want to obey the commands of God. I've already argued enough with you regarding this, and you still refuse to listen, to be it, remain in your lawlessness. To everyone else, do not listen to this person and follow after his footsteps and perish along with him, know and understand that the Torah is still binding. The Torah Has Not Been Abolished | Wisdom of God .

 

[justbyfaith]

This is what the word of God says:

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 2:19, For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Eph 2:15, Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16, And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 2:14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 7:18, For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

More comprehensively:

Rom 7:1, Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2, For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3, So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

It is not that the law has been abolished per se; but it is that the equivalent of this has taken place, in that we are forgiven of our sins and therefore there is no more condemnation because of the law for those of us who are born again. We have died and therefore the jurisdiction that our old husband (the law) had over us is no longer valid, we are free to be married to a new husband, Christ; who gives us victory over sin at its core rather than in the outward ritualistic situation that the law demands of us.
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If I am not preaching from the word of God then by all means do what @cgneustar says and reject my teaching. But if, in your sound discernment, you can see that I am attempting to bring to you the whole counsel of God and to protect you as an undershepherd of our Lord Jesus Christ, respond accordingly. I suggest that you also be be Bereans concerning everything that you hear (see Acts 17:10-11).

 

[stunnedbygrace]

because of idiots like you

Unacceptable.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Messiah said, "by their fruits you will know them". What fruit? Their actions. Those who obey the commands of God can be readily seen, and will grow their beards and wear tallit and tefillin, whereas those who disobey will refuse to obey these simple commands of God, and much worse.

These things are basically superficial and do not speak of the real, spiritual, fruit that develops from a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit.