Uncovering the Devil's Strategy

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In this episode we seek to uncover what has been covered up; to dig up what has been buried; to expose the devil's strategy - that of taking what is of God for himself. Are we truly standing naked before God? Is the Lord truly our covering, or have we sought refuge in an ideology that we seek to justify ourselves with in our natural and unbroken condition?

I thought you showed excellent insight into the dangers of ambition and the lack of broken pride. In a certain sense, ambition can be a salvific issue. After all, Jesus told the Pharisees:

Jn 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Thus showing that it is impossible to have faith if you are seeking your own advancement. I confess I have always struggled with "leadership training" seminars and such. I see ministry as the scaffolding for the living temple being constructed out of God's people. However, it seems all we see it scaffolding going up. It's like going to a construction site and seeing a foundation with 30 stories of scaffold. One is inclined to think "when are they going to start working on the actual building? It's because of unbroken pride and the lack of humility that the actual body of Christ is being neglected. The Lord is withholding His anointing because it He poured it out ot would be used to advance kingdoms of men built in His name...instead of His actual Kingdom.

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The Lord is withholding His anointing

These are the end times so you can believe that THe Lord is not withholding anything.

However, the Lord does not bless "group think"......He blesses Truth Seekers, and Jesus is THE Truth. (John 14:9)
The anointing of God is always poured out on that situation.....on that One.
 

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I am sorry you were disappointed @MatthewG but I was already in conversation with @Lizbeth when you came along to challenge the ancient doctrine that was very much alive and kicking amongst the disciples of the apostles, and which has at various times, been difficult to find in the church but still stands as God's standard of holiness.

No we would not and Adam was an example of man who could walk the earth without sin, until he fell. He did die once he sinned but that was meant spiritually as his physical death did not occur at that point.

Christ came to restore man to that position and a higher plane even, as that of a holy man and not just an innocent one.


Your little snide remark shows me that you are coming to debate with a hard heart with no desire to understand a position you have clearly never studied, having no interest in it, and therefore to join in with you would be futile.

Sharing information, with each other is not debating. I just find the value in understanding that anything that remotely comes which is of God, is the only heavenly virtue that people possess, which is found in and through the risen Yeshua (Where now God works with us by his spirit, and the Spirit of Christ within). There are some that are opposed to having information shared with them, especially people that they do not know at all. I'm okay with that.
 
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Amen, I agree that our flesh and flesh nature of the old man will never be perfect, which is why we are instructed not to walk in it or sow to it, but reckon it dead. Easier said than done at times. But I believe there is a time or season to be encouraged and a time or season to be the opposite, because the bible says if we would judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world. I think there is a need in general to guard against complacency and keep running the race in earnest, so as to win it. We're living in a kind of uncomfortable tension between the "yes but not yet" meanwhile, depicted by the Israelites in the wilderness not having yet crossed over into the land of promise.

The imagery of a wedding feast and bride I believe is about the complete surrender of our life to the Lord to become a living sacrifice - completely giving Him the reins and rule of our life, lock stock and barrel, as opposed to just giving Him bits and pieces of ourselves and our life as we feel like it, which in truth really means we (self) are still on the throne ruling and holding the reins....still just betrothed in a dating phase, but not yet united with the Groom and consummating the relationship, not yet fully giving ourselves and belonging to Him. I used to assume that the parable of the 10 virgins was for after death, but I feel sure now that that and a lot of other things in scripture are possible for this life.

I know I don't give myself fully to the Lord all the time. I don't believe any of us do. It was only Yeshua, whom had his eye on his Father the whole time.

The fact is I don't want to give myself over completely to the LORD sometimes, I want to do things my own way. That is the nature we all have and sometimes we do decide do things our own way, even without recognition of Yahavah being in the mix of it taking this at face value.


Everyone suffers, and those whom suffer for Christ sake,


Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,

It's not about who is more humble than who, or who is smart than who.
It's about faith and active participation seeking God on the daily basis, and there are times, were we might not even pray as often as we should. I am reminded of how David would pray his regular three times a day. While he was suffering being away from his homeland.

Participation in suffering... Which way are we suffering, though?
Suffering in and through the humble ways of Christ opposed to the Earthly wisdom, which was shared prior.
 

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On the topic of just the "Devil."

I am not one whom just accepts the Devil that has been shown to be a imp like demon. A being that truly roams around seeking whom he can devour. It was the nation of Israel, which had to have become "Ha'Satan." And Satan is done away with along with the "sea" or "brazen sea." Signifying that the Devil, the opposition in the day of Yeshua and his enemies against his bride, where taken out and this was a meted out punishment concerning their promised fall foretold in the Old Testament.

There was a few years ago, a run for "Lets fund Israel." Look, I don't hate Israel. It's a country, and I don't think sending money to fund something over there for "Jesus" does anything worth while. The people in the world, some look to God, some look to Profit. Some look to maglin and gain, and in the end hurt other people because they don't actually go along in the bible and show whats really going on in the bible.

People just tend to throw out some verses here and there and say, now do it and you'll be a better person. I get trusting in faith towards God will make a person heart less harden and more softer that is for sure, forbearing and handling situations that come in life, in a heavenly fashion opposed to our earthly fashion of doing things (which can lead to hatred, fighting, discord...)

When it comes down to it, from my understanding which may be right, it may be wrong, is that the bible clearly states that "the Devil" is done away with, and that being so...

Whos strategy are we really uncovering here? Is not the ways of Man? Man - Manipulation - Mass Hystera - Jesus is coming back just now, and tomorrow too; just bring forth all your money and give it to some church, and sit and do your orders as the church commands you, and you'll be right there on the ladder train to heaven. All of this doing is not resting. There is no resting, in mans ways.

There is only rest and a burden which is light founded in Yeshua. Our own self, God-Given, soul, has to make the choices in this life, just as Adam and Eve had done.

Eve's own temptation was the lust which got her. Even though she was beguiled by the Snake/Monkey/Observer. She had to have the lust and temptation come into her mind before she took and bit into the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.




So while man, may tell you, Satan is trying to get ya, and this is all him doing this and never look and examine yourself, is determentally off putting, and not making aware the problems which can become worse over time, especially if you are someone who believes that Satan is the devil with horns and he is out taking souls away from God... (He can't do anything anymore, Satans Dead.) Perhaps the remnant of what he had done stains the ripple of time, however he is not doing anything anymore, because "Israel's head was crushed." They saw dust, they got lit up, and their judgement was righteous having the Wrath of God poured out among the people in that day, and saving the bride, and the judgement of all of those whom came before the white throne judgement, to see whos name is in the book of life, all of those things have been done and accomplished.

Satan = Israel, in 70Ad it was wiped away. Some say there is a part still remaining in Jeruslaem, I believe that is unture, the second or third building of the temple in my opinion doesn't mean anything. And for a lot of people unfortunately it takes away hope of something coming which we could be part of however, we got to be lucky enough not to have to go through what the Bride of Christ has went through and suffered, such as losing their very own life.

In the end, no matter where it is. There will always be someone telling of the end of time, and that is gonna come soon! Therefore be prepared. When the Bible states, what had come to fruition and how today we live in the new heavens and the new earth, with God being at peace with the World....

That is what people are not saying... That God is at peace with the World, because of what His Son had done.

People suggest God is mad and angry and even hates everyone. I don't believe that is exactly the case anymore.
 

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I know I don't give myself fully to the Lord all the time. I don't believe any of us do. It was only Yeshua, whom had his eye on his Father the whole time.
For sure most of us don't....but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. We need to have faith and hope first of all to believe it is possible, that Jesus has made the way for it, and then we also need faith to trust Him enough to surrender our life to Him as a living sacrifice.

The fact is I don't want to give myself over completely to the LORD sometimes, I want to do things my own way. That is the nature we all have and sometimes we do decide do things our own way, even without recognition of Yahavah being in the mix of it taking this at face value.
Yes, that is the nature we are battling and need to die to. I see this pictured with the Israelites dying those 40 years in the wilderness...it was an allegory for us.....flesh cannot enter the kingdom/promise land, so they had to first die to themselves, to their flesh nature, in order to be able to enter.

Everyone suffers, and those whom suffer for Christ sake,


Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Amen. Suffering of the wilderness journey of dying to ourselves (old flesh nature)....that we may share in His holiness. His crucifixion is a picture of what is happening with us, as we follow Him......ultimately to be resurrected to new life. Promised land pictures that resurrection life of holiness. ( I tend to see things in simple pictures of scripture, as you might have guessed.)
 

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It's not about who is more humble than who, or who is smart than who.
It's about faith and active participation seeking God on the daily basis, and there are times, were we might not even pray as often as we should. I am reminded of how David would pray his regular three times a day. While he was suffering being away from his homeland.
No it's not a competition. We are all individuals with our own unique corner of the battlefield so to speak. It would be comparing apples to oranges to try and compare different people. We all are even given differing measures of grace and faith to start with.

Participation in suffering... Which way are we suffering, though?
Suffering in and through the humble ways of Christ opposed to the Earthly wisdom, which was shared prior.
The bible says He chastises who He loves as sons and if we are without chastisement we are illegitimate children. But it is for the purpose of putting our self-life (old man) to death in experience, as I understand it, so that we may walk freely in the spirit.
 

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For sure most of us don't....but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.
The more one build on the chief cornerstone, and building up the spiritual man. The less they may be prone to fall under a spell where they may lash out at someone, or make a snide remark, or talk behind someones back while being nice and upfront with them while they are around. But, doing it 100% like Jesus. There is no possible way, unless you are the Messiah himself.
We need to have faith and hope first of all to believe it is possible,
That my flesh can be perfect? Having faith and hope in the resurrection of Christ brings forth is perfection spiritually, combining God's holy spirit given into ones heart. No amount of days will effect ones faith, as long as they are retaining the memory of what Yeshua had been done for them in their mind. I could no where bear to say that I am Jesus Christ, because I am perfect in all ways, and attained mastery over my flesh. Anyone who says they do not sin, makes God out to be a liar. Therefore, one can't just simply believe and hope that it is possible to overcome all problems within a single lifetime. You think people who reach that point in life it was remotely possible, must have been in heavenly bliss all the time constantly.

But is it not interesting, that even Moses took a life, and David, sent a life in to be took for his own gain. I mean, how perfect do you wanna have ones life? To never, there being a mention of "never doing wrong ever again."

There would be no point to even looking to Jesus.
that Jesus has made the way for it,
A way for what? To have perfect fleshly life, which is 100% perfect down to a T? Impossible. Jesus has made a way for us to have a heavenly Father to ask for help in our needs, and situations, and God is going to know every single time we fail.

The problem here that comes to me is that ... God already knows where I fail at. God knows everything about me. God isn't laughing at me, he isn't mocking me, he isn't putting me down, he can chasten, but he does so out of love for the attention of what gracious gift one receives when coming towards him, and yes a way has been made.

Not to live a perfect sinless, perfect life, like Jesus. That is a problem I see.

It's like trying to live so perfectly and rigtheousless if I slip out a cuss word, God downs me again, and he upset with me, and I must repent and so on and so forth. There are people whom are like that...

They are so religious in doing "actions" which they say you can't watch a horror movie, or play a video game, or read a book of fiction, or a non-fiction, no porn, no drugs, no soda pop, no coffee, no this and that, and boom!

You're perfect... Yeah, people who get to this type of level typically are more snooty, and typically really look down on people.

So whats the way which has been made? A way which leads to newness of life, where yes the old life of partying and doing stupid stuff tends to die down, but that doesn't mean you wont cuss at the person in front of you who just stopped all of a sudden and their brake lights didn't come on, and you just barely almost ran into them. (Reminds me of a lady who flipped me off one day cause my blinker didn't work lol, she was having a bad day I guess.)
Yes, that is the nature we are battling and need to die to. I see this pictured with the Israelites dying those 40 years in the wilderness...it was an allegory for us.....flesh cannot enter the kingdom/promise land, so they had to first die to themselves, to their flesh nature, in order to be able to enter.
The notion is to die in christ, and abide in him. He is the one who does the good things, and I think people who suggest that those good things are always heavenly I would say that they are wrong. It's only the heavenly ways, which comes from our imbuned heart with God now indwelling it by the holy spirit.

Dying to oneself, what does that mean to you? To me it's dying to the Earthly Wisdom.

James wrote,
13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good conduct, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast in it or deny the truth. 15Such wisdom does not come from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every evil practice.

Is dying to oneself, not allowing oneself to have a cigarette, or is it more than just that material nature all together?

Amen. Suffering of the wilderness journey of dying to ourselves (old flesh nature)....that we may share in His holiness.
It will only be Yeshua that comes through when it is you abiding in Yeshua. To have peace with your enemies, to pray for your enemies, to have mercy, kindness, opposed to the prior? It's Christ who is giving us strength. We are participating, the merit of achievement of overcoming a temptation always goes back to God, cause its not truly us, its us allowing them to work in and with us.
His crucifixion is a picture of what is happening with us,
While the death of Yeshua, makes me sad. He did that for us. Not that was have to climb on the cross and do the same thing. We do die to ourselves and live to Christ. But what are those notions? What is it we are dying to. We can say it simply but it has to be defined. Somehow. I believe James states it out for us the best, we could use even Yeshua words.

Jesus spoke and said,
Mark 7 20He continued: “What comes out of a man, that is what defiles him. 21For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,j 22greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. 23All these evils come from within, and these are what defile a man.”


as we follow Him......ultimately to be resurrected to new life.
That happens the moment a person concludes in their heart that God exist, and they find the love in what the Son of God had done for them. All people are spiritually born again when they come to this conclusion and make their decision to live having faith, rather than having no faith. That faith lies on the one whom had died for them on the cross in order that they may be raised with Christ, and begin that life placing God within it, however that may look for an individual. They will know in their own hearts, despite what another person may say or suggest.
Promised land pictures that resurrection life of holiness. ( I tend to see things in simple pictures of scripture, as you might have guessed.)

Jesus stated he is the resurrection and the life. He is the one whom does everything, we just happen to partake because of the grace of God and his allowance for us to continue moving forward on this planet, as people continue to sojourn their pilgrimage here until they do die, like those in the wilderness and they go on to receive their judgement and spiritual rewards given by God. Whatever God gives Im sure is good no matter what, though there is a striving for "resurrection of the dead." Which is an 3rd resurrection better than the resurrection of condmenation, resurrection of life, and there is the foremention which is supposedly one of the highest gifts one can receive after this life, if one I guess does strive to be as close to God as they can, but the flesh is corrupt. It is dying. It will never be perfect, though we can work on the things which are given to us in the bible in asking Yahavah to help us by the holy spirit as we traverse onward.
 

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It's interesting that Jesus points out, where the evil is in man. It's within. Not some outside influence, though human beings can be a big influence in manipulation and so forth. Now we know where evil comes from, its from when Adam and Eve, partook of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. We all have a concept of this, unless we are utterly insane. We are self bound, and self-willed just about it when we come out the womb, and are coddled into clothings and given everything that is needed. A baby grabs the watch cause it wants it, but no says the dad, and cry the baby starts. Nothing new, there. Evil starts and comes from within all of us, greed, (taking other children's toys etc.) Otherwise I don't think Jesus would say "from within these evils are coming." The heart.
 

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Taking a break from going through Andrew Murray's book, written in South Africa in 1888, I found the website for Faith Mission Edinburgh, and listened to a podcast about holiness.

It spoke about Keswick theology and reminded me of the main difference between that and the holiness theology on the other side of the debate which was the one touted in the Holiness Movement after the days of Wesley.

It is based on Romans 6:6 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Keswick theology says that the Greek should be interpreted as suppressed rather than destroyed. If you want to go into this in more depth:

I don't feel that it is helpful however, to give attention to the minor details when one is still finding ones way on the path to holiness, but thought I would just explain the differences in the various schools on the subject. Too many people have opinions when they have not been in the blessing.
 
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Hello,

When it comes to Holiness, isn it?

All holiness is simply being set apart for the use of God, anyone can do that if they are of faith. One could say "set apart from the world, for the use of God." However, we live in a world which are a part of. I understand people striving to live a good, and honest, and authentic life before Yahavah, but there are people who too, also see themselves as higher than others which is opposed to Yeshua if they proclaim to be a person of Christ. They wouldn't look down on others. They live in order to serve and please others, and themselves, not to please God. Now I get it if you are doing it by self admission before Yahavah, but there has to be some type of description given, in what are we set apart for though we live in a world which there are many different facets of people and life all around.

Being set apart as far as the holiness aspect of the good and pleasing work of God which he will help you to complete, that work. It comes with love, and self-sacrifice. It comes with being faithful, and when someone asks you a question you can help give an answer though, maybe go along and show how that concept works or doesn't and allow people to judge for themselves, as I am not an answer man.

I don't typically go an listen to podcast about holiness. The greek definition is "being set apart," that is why the bible is named "Holy Bible." As it pertains to this world, but also set apart from this world in dealings of God and man which is extremely interesting at least to me.
 

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Being set apart is just one half of it. Throughout the OT, it speaks of objects being set apart, and the reason for it is for the cleansing.

To say that God can only manage a partial cleansing is not how the Bible presents the image. I would sack my cleaner if she only part cleansed my flat/apartment.

We are set apart to be holy as He is holy. It is all of His doing moreover. In one instance.
 

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Being set apart is just one half of it. Throughout the OT, it speaks of objects being set apart, and the reason for it is for the cleansing.
Speaking on the Old Testament, Hepzibah.

I'm reminded of a man who had two wives. One would banter the other because she had no children. Then, one annual festival year they went up to the temple, and there she prayed a wonderful prayer, one of which she mentions that God makes people who are poor, poor materially, just as well as rich. There are people who are rich, middle-income, and poor and those I would consider the poverty-stricken, even further, those who literally have no family, and they are in a point in time of life they are living on the streets. Eli I believe it was, who was at the temple, saw Hannah praying with her eyes closed, and her seen her lips were moving and she figured that she was drunk. She explained what she had been doing, and Eli left her off with a wish of God granting her what she asked.

Later on she did become pregnant and gave her son up to the preist Eli at the Temple and left her son there to serve God.

Whats the point in all of this? There are some people in this life whom are by virtue of Christ, rich, partakers of kingdom of Heavenly Jerusalem, there are those whom are poor, but rich, in Christ and partakers of the kingdom of God.

This is all pulling me back in to when Yeshua stated the Beautitudes, and how the spiritual application of our new applied spiritual man/woman in Christ starts from being poor, and then goes forwards in the growth of the spiritual person whom is growing in Christ, however even as they progress, mourn as they are comforted (for they are blessed), they become more meek in Christ because of humbleness, and these are the things which sets apart a believer from being part of the world. Learning to grow from being poor in spirit, to become more intuned with Yeshua whom lives within us and does the great and good heavenly things which are pleasing to the Father as we continue to look on him in faith.

Believers are most certainly set apart from the world itself, even though God loves all the people in the world, he is calling all to come to him, and to learn of his son, and that order a person can die with christ, be buried with christ, and risen again in Christ.

I'm not so sure if "one part of it is the case." This is the whole of the new life given to the believer whom now goes and calls out to God. That wont mean a person may not repent of what they may have said or action they had chosen in which they are grieved by the holy spirit and thus they relinquish these things to God in order to get whatever it is out of them, handing it to God to put in the fire, and you by that virtue die to those evil things which influenced your heart in the first place, and that is not to say they wont ever raise back up again because sometimes our old man does rise back up again and needs to be put back to dying in Christ, being buried in christ (covered by him), and rise to newness as Paul suggest.
To say that God can only manage a partial cleansing is not how the Bible presents the image. I would sack my cleaner if she only part cleansed my flat/apartment.
I know I am a failure, and can gladly admit that, and that I will never be able to help or save anyone in this world. If anything remotely good that comes from me that actually lends a helpful hand, it wont be my actual hand because it's weak. It would be the helpful hand of Christ Yeshua that did whatever it was in which someone received a glass of water, or hot coals on my enemies, for loving them and hoping the best for them even praying that God may watch over them.
We are set apart to be holy as He is holy. It is all of His doing moreover. In one instance.

Holy as he is holy. Jesus was set apart for the works of God, what did he do when he was out venturing. There is great lessons of kindness, self-sacrifice written all within the confounds of the Gospel of Yeshua, all 4 of them. Not only spiritual lessons which help us in the spiritual means, but lessons of Yeshua, was a true (could I say BA), and the only time he ever went hard on anyone he ever came across was always the religious devils themselves in his day.



Do you ever think God laughs at bad jokes?
Do you ever think God loves a sober clean person, just as much as the meth addicted?

While I respect anyone to do whatever they will when it comes to their relationship and God.

In my personal opinion, I don't think it is good to portray oneself as though they are somehow "holier than thou," and I get what you are saying, to abide in Christ, to show and expose the nature of Christ himself within us, and even name of Jesus never had to mention when you were in a situation that he never did come up, but the actions of him within you most certainly have.

The credit all goes back to Yahavah. I can't force myself to be holy. I have to make a choice to "holy as he is holy." In otherwords, set part, being made useful to God through prayers, and perhaps just being there for someone and caring and spending time, that is what Jesus showed through his life of the Gospels.

Jesus loved a good party, and he sat and ate with sinners, and this type of conversation always brings me back to the warning of Yeshua to be careful not to become a Pharisee (who was thankful he was not like those sinners who murdered, and didn't pay tithing) while the sinner, didn't look up to the heavens, and asked for the Father to have mercy on him because he was a sinner.




Many people don't like if you call yourself a sinner. You must call yourself a saint, or something else. Whatever floats ones perspective in how they may choose to see themselves. God does care and loves all equally, and not one above another as God is not a respector of persons. So while many people may try to explain how to live a perfect sinless life, good luck on those striving actions because it seems that would drive a person to end up failing because all they do is avoid sin, and it's stated that any person that says they never have sinned make God out to be a liar.
 

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I have repeatedly said that holiness is living from the power of a holy God not in ones own strength so therefore, as you continue to misrepresent me I am closing this discussion with you. No hard feelings.
 

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Just sharing information, all is fine. I am not trying to misrepresent anyone at all. I'm just generally speaking with you, @Hepzibah. Thank you for the dialogue.
 
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Hello,

When it comes to Holiness, isn it?

All holiness is simply being set apart for the use of God, anyone can do that if they are of faith. One could say "set apart from the world, for the use of God." However, we live in a world which are a part of. I understand people striving to live a good, and honest, and authentic life before Yahavah, but there are people who too, also see themselves as higher than others which is opposed to Yeshua if they proclaim to be a person of Christ. They wouldn't look down on others. They live in order to serve and please others, and themselves, not to please God. Now I get it if you are doing it by self admission before Yahavah, but there has to be some type of description given, in what are we set apart for though we live in a world which there are many different facets of people and life all around.

Being set apart as far as the holiness aspect of the good and pleasing work of God which he will help you to complete, that work. It comes with love, and self-sacrifice. It comes with being faithful, and when someone asks you a question you can help give an answer though, maybe go along and show how that concept works or doesn't and allow people to judge for themselves, as I am not an answer man.

I don't typically go an listen to podcast about holiness. The greek definition is "being set apart," that is why the bible is named "Holy Bible." As it pertains to this world, but also set apart from this world in dealings of God and man which is extremely interesting at least to me.
Do you think that the gospel is about remaining in a state of NON-holiness, in bondage to the flesh, alien to the power and life that is in Christ?

Jesus came to set us free from sin...and to destroy the work of the devil that fools people into thinking that we have to fight our own battle over sin, and the pull of its nature within us.

The saint is someone who is not just set apart but also empowered to be as Christ in HIS perfection...His purity, His holiness. (But not in His maturity and character...hence the need of discipleship)

Evangelism is about bringing GUESTS to the great feast of the Lord...not saints. God calls His saints Himself.

You have to look at both standards to understand the gospel....both the Bride AND the guests.


Check out the distinction...

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day). 2 Thess. 1:10


Of course, most will read this in a blinded state, not rightly DIVIDING the word. ;)

But the guests (Matt. 22) are those who believed the gospel report from other humans and these will ADMIRE the Lord (from a distance). However God will be glorified in His saints...who are the Bride of Christ.

My next video is about Calvinism and rightly dividing its claims. Stay tuned...
 
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Speaking on the Old Testament, Hepzibah.

I'm reminded of a man who had two wives. One would banter the other because she had no children. Then, one annual festival year they went up to the temple, and there she prayed a wonderful prayer, one of which she mentions that God makes people who are poor, poor materially, just as well as rich. There are people who are rich, middle-income, and poor and those I would consider the poverty-stricken, even further, those who literally have no family, and they are in a point in time of life they are living on the streets. Eli I believe it was, who was at the temple, saw Hannah praying with her eyes closed, and her seen her lips were moving and she figured that she was drunk. She explained what she had been doing, and Eli left her off with a wish of God granting her what she asked.

Later on she did become pregnant and gave her son up to the preist Eli at the Temple and left her son there to serve God.

Whats the point in all of this? There are some people in this life whom are by virtue of Christ, rich, partakers of kingdom of Heavenly Jerusalem, there are those whom are poor, but rich, in Christ and partakers of the kingdom of God.

This is all pulling me back in to when Yeshua stated the Beautitudes, and how the spiritual application of our new applied spiritual man/woman in Christ starts from being poor, and then goes forwards in the growth of the spiritual person whom is growing in Christ, however even as they progress, mourn as they are comforted (for they are blessed), they become more meek in Christ because of humbleness, and these are the things which sets apart a believer from being part of the world. Learning to grow from being poor in spirit, to become more intuned with Yeshua whom lives within us and does the great and good heavenly things which are pleasing to the Father as we continue to look on him in faith.

Believers are most certainly set apart from the world itself, even though God loves all the people in the world, he is calling all to come to him, and to learn of his son, and that order a person can die with christ, be buried with christ, and risen again in Christ.

I'm not so sure if "one part of it is the case." This is the whole of the new life given to the believer whom now goes and calls out to God. That wont mean a person may not repent of what they may have said or action they had chosen in which they are grieved by the holy spirit and thus they relinquish these things to God in order to get whatever it is out of them, handing it to God to put in the fire, and you by that virtue die to those evil things which influenced your heart in the first place, and that is not to say they wont ever raise back up again because sometimes our old man does rise back up again and needs to be put back to dying in Christ, being buried in christ (covered by him), and rise to newness as Paul suggest.

I know I am a failure, and can gladly admit that, and that I will never be able to help or save anyone in this world. If anything remotely good that comes from me that actually lends a helpful hand, it wont be my actual hand because it's weak. It would be the helpful hand of Christ Yeshua that did whatever it was in which someone received a glass of water, or hot coals on my enemies, for loving them and hoping the best for them even praying that God may watch over them.


Holy as he is holy. Jesus was set apart for the works of God, what did he do when he was out venturing. There is great lessons of kindness, self-sacrifice written all within the confounds of the Gospel of Yeshua, all 4 of them. Not only spiritual lessons which help us in the spiritual means, but lessons of Yeshua, was a true (could I say BA), and the only time he ever went hard on anyone he ever came across was always the religious devils themselves in his day.



Do you ever think God laughs at bad jokes?
Do you ever think God loves a sober clean person, just as much as the meth addicted?

While I respect anyone to do whatever they will when it comes to their relationship and God.

In my personal opinion, I don't think it is good to portray oneself as though they are somehow "holier than thou," and I get what you are saying, to abide in Christ, to show and expose the nature of Christ himself within us, and even name of Jesus never had to mention when you were in a situation that he never did come up, but the actions of him within you most certainly have.

The credit all goes back to Yahavah. I can't force myself to be holy. I have to make a choice to "holy as he is holy." In otherwords, set part, being made useful to God through prayers, and perhaps just being there for someone and caring and spending time, that is what Jesus showed through his life of the Gospels.

Jesus loved a good party, and he sat and ate with sinners, and this type of conversation always brings me back to the warning of Yeshua to be careful not to become a Pharisee (who was thankful he was not like those sinners who murdered, and didn't pay tithing) while the sinner, didn't look up to the heavens, and asked for the Father to have mercy on him because he was a sinner.




Many people don't like if you call yourself a sinner. You must call yourself a saint, or something else. Whatever floats ones perspective in how they may choose to see themselves. God does care and loves all equally, and not one above another as God is not a respector of persons. So while many people may try to explain how to live a perfect sinless life, good luck on those striving actions because it seems that would drive a person to end up failing because all they do is avoid sin, and it's stated that any person that says they never have sinned make God out to be a liar.
But to be holy is to be like Jesus, true?.....to be as He is in the world. So one who is holy will be all that He was when He walked this earth. He does love everyone, but I think of holiness as a matter of how much we love Him and give back to Him in return for His love. All He wants is our vessel given back to Him empty of self, that He can fill it with more of Himself. Holiness is not something that depends on our self-effort....if it's proceeding from us, from our flesh, it will not be true holiness, but just more of our own self-righteousness.

The Lord tells us to be holy as He is holy. To be perfect as He is perfect. And as Paul wrote if we walk in the Spirit we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And he wrote about growing into the full stature of Christ. So the potential must be there, even if not everyone will be willing to get hold of it. I can't think He would ask something that wasn't possible.....Jesus said, it's impossible for man, for us, but WITH HIM all things ARE possible. God promises to complete the good work He has begun in us....so it seems all we have to do is ask/seek Him for what we lack, keep following Him "there", and trust Him as He leads. We are HIS workmanship, but we do pay a price to follow Him and I believe that is how we are "buying" that extra oil enough to see us into the wedding feast.
 

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But to be holy is to be like Jesus, true?.....to be as He is in the world. So one who is holy will be all that He was when He walked this earth. He does love everyone, but I think of holiness as a matter of how much we love Him and give back to Him in return for His love. All He wants is our vessel given back to Him empty of self, that He can fill it with more of Himself. Holiness is not something that depends on our self-effort....if it's proceeding from us, from our flesh, it will not be true holiness, but just more of our own self-righteousness.

The Lord tells us to be holy as He is holy. To be perfect as He is perfect. And as Paul wrote if we walk in the Spirit we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And he wrote about growing into the full stature of Christ. So the potential must be there, even if not everyone will be willing to get hold of it. I can't think He would ask something that wasn't possible.....Jesus said, it's impossible for man, for us, but WITH HIM all things ARE possible. God promises to complete the good work He has begun in us....so it seems all we have to do is ask/seek Him for what we lack, keep following Him "there", and trust Him as He leads. We are HIS workmanship, but we do pay a price to follow Him and I believe that is how we are "buying" that extra oil enough to see us into the wedding feast.

Good luck! All we are doing is simply sharing. I just hate it for people who think they must absolutely wrack their brain when it comes to them and their relationship with Yahavah.

“Am I Holy enough?”

You’ll never be holy enough in my opinion. That is just my opinion.
 

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Do you think that the gospel is about remaining in a state of NON-holiness, in bondage to the flesh, alien to the power and life that is in Christ?

Jesus came to set us free from sin...and to destroy the work of the devil that fools people into thinking that we have to fight our own battle over sin, and the pull of its nature within us.

The saint is someone who is not just set apart but also empowered to be as Christ in HIS perfection...His purity, His holiness. (But not in His maturity and character...hence the need of discipleship)

Evangelism is about bringing GUESTS to the great feast of the Lord...not saints. God calls His saints Himself.

You have to look at both standards to understand the gospel....both the Bride AND the guests.


Check out the distinction...

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day). 2 Thess. 1:10


Of course, most will read this in a blinded state, not rightly DIVIDING the word. ;)

But the guests (Matt. 22) are those who believed the gospel report from other humans and these will ADMIRE the Lord (from a distance). However God will be glorified in His saints...who are the Bride of Christ.

My next video is about Calvinism and rightly dividing its claims. Stay tuned...


I think that some people are absolutely absurd in the endeavors trying to make something out of what can only be made out of by abiding in Christ.


Free from sin, we were never under any law to begin with. We aren’t Israel nation blood born and part of a tribe.

We’ve always been a law to ourselves. Israel was under a schoolmaster the “Law” they were given. Which of course does lead to our relationship with Christ and his Father.
 

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Good luck! All we are doing is simply sharing. I just hate it for people who think they must absolutely wrack their brain when it comes to them and their relationship with Yahavah.

“Am I Holy enough?”

You’ll never be holy enough in my opinion. That is just my opinion.
There must be a reason why Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God and HIS righteousness. And blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they will be filled.

You might find this encouraging. Had a dream once, where I was underwater (in over my head?) and walking around way down on the bottom barefoot which made me feel so vulnerable and almost helpless because it was so rough on the bottom....suddenly an angel in scuba gear appeared out of nowhere startling me, he was smiling very happily and shining one of those underwater searchlights that divers use. The lesson I received was to allow the searchlight of the Lord into the dark corners of my life and heart and not to fear it.