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Fascism entails the rejection of a free-market economy in exchange for an economy managed by the government. As well, fascism entails government control of every facet of society, including a nation's healthcare system, education, and the press. These tenets are antithetical to modern, right-wing, ideology. Fascism is just another branch of the same leftist, ideological, tree. Fascism is and has ALWAYS been a far-left ideology.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist system of government and economics, and did many other western leftists of the 20's and 30's.

The discovery of Hitler's death camps made the worst "fascist" radioactive. Leftist ideologues, wishing to distance themselves from the fascism that they had previously admired, began changing the definition of fascism to call it a "far-right" ideology. In other words, they LIED. And they continue to lie today.
 

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I just watched a video on this the other day. There were vast differences between Fascism in Italy, Germany, and the movement in Britain before the war.

It has something to do with trade unions. And Germany was like one big trade union, which was the government.

Racism was not implicit to Fascism, but became a useful tool to manipulate the masses.
 

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Fascism entails the rejection of a free-market economy in exchange for an economy managed by the government. As well, fascism entails government control of every facet of society, including a nation's healthcare system, education, and the press. These tenets are antithetical to modern, right-wing, ideology. Fascism is just another branch of the same leftist, ideological, tree. Fascism is and has ALWAYS been a far-left ideology.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist system of government and economics, and did many other western leftists of the 20's and 30's.

The discovery of Hitler's death camps made the worst "fascist" radioactive. Leftist ideologues, wishing to distance themselves from the fascism that they had previously admired, began changing the definition of fascism to call it a "far-right" ideology. In other words, they LIED. And they continue to lie today.
The Left serves "their father the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar, and is known as the father of lies"

( slightly paraphrased. )
 
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Racism was not implicit to Fascism, but became a useful tool to manipulate the masses.
Correct. Mussolini declined to give Italy's Jews to the Nazis.

Nazism is fascism plus the Aryan racial "supremacy" dogma along with their total hatred of anything Jewish. As you probably know, Karl Marx was a Jew and invented Marxism and Hitler hated the Soviet Union, which he viewed as a Jewish creation.

Many leftists will say that Hitler was "far-right" because he persecuted German communists but they misunderstand why Hitler did so. Hitler was a nationalist. German communists looked to Stalin as their ideological leader. That was, of course, completely unacceptable to Hitler and so Hitler persecuted German communists.

On another note regarding German racial "superiority", I read a book about Heinrich Himmler. As a young man, Himmler bragged to his compatriots about Aryan superiority. One of them joked to another (when Himmler wasn't around) that, if they looked like Himmler, they wouldn't be bragging about Aryan superiority. LOL.
 
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I will also add that China made the transition from communism to fascism. China permits private ownership of industry, but industry is always subservient to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). China figured out a long time ago that communism sucked at growing wealth and innovation.

Our corrupt Washington establishment sold out the American people when they permitted massive trade to occur with China. We have bankrolled China's military and economic growth and now China is working with major world nations to replace the dollar, but I suppose that's for another thread.
 

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Correct. Mussolini declined to give Italy's Jews to the Nazis.

Nazism is fascism plus the Aryan racial "supremacy" dogma along with their total hatred of anything Jewish. As you probably know, Karl Marx was a Jew and invented Marxism and Hitler hated the Soviet Union, which he viewed as a Jewish creation.

Many leftists will say that Hitler was "far-right" because he persecuted German communists but they misunderstand why Hitler did so. Hitler was a nationalist. German communists looked to Stalin as their ideological leader. That was, of course, completely unacceptable to Hitler and so Hitler persecuted German communists.

On another note regarding German racial "superiority", I read a book about Heinrich Himmler. As a young man, Himmler bragged to his compatriots about Aryan superiority. One of them joked to another (when Himmler wasn't around) that, if they looked like Himmler, they wouldn't be bragging about Aryan superiority. LOL.
Nazi foundations are all much like Jewish tho, much like railway tracks that following each other ?
It just depends on what type of Jews one is talking about ?
Hitler's Nazi creation is in bed with the Talmud so called Jew ? They controlled the Nazi Party in fact ! Just as they controlled the Communist and still do ! for They have an agenda !
They set the agenda and sit back, they look years a head for the seed sown to come forth and then guide It how they please ! for the average person is a dupe to the games that are at play.

The Nations fall for it all, The Germans fell for it hook line and sinker ! as did the Russians fall for the Communist insanity ! All lies and deceptions and delusions in fact to play the fools and nowadays is just the same Game being played and now the Game has become more intense as the deceptions are ramped up to cerate such delusions !

We have to believe outright deceptions in fact and the Governments and Media peddle the agenda !
The insanity of Gay rights is a outright deception, Don't question it or else, out comes the Nazi type attitude that you have no rights to question any of such ! It's like everyone must salute such rubbish saying seek victory ! or else in fact !
School Children are being bastardised, just as it was in Nazi and Communist but with degenerate sodomite filth that's toxic to their mindset, that dictates to them, so they come out like little Nazis peddling the same line, typical as it was back in the Nazis days. The Parents had no rights regarding this rubbish in fact back in the day ! As it is nowadays being peddled, it's a different agenda but it's the same type of demonic Monster that's at hand !
 

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I will also add that China made the transition from communism to fascism. China permits private ownership of industry, but industry is always subservient to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). China figured out a long time ago that communism sucked at growing wealth and innovation.

Our corrupt Washington establishment sold out the American people when they permitted massive trade to occur with China. We have bankrolled China's military and economic growth and now China is working with major world nations to replace the dollar, but I suppose that's for another thread.
Precisely. Which is what many people miss when looking for the markers of fascism in today's society. Fascism is alive and well in America, and the future of fascism is dependant upon a partnership between corporate America and government. Other markers of fascism in America go back a long way... The symbols of fascism particularly during the 19th century, the bundle of rods, in Latin called fasces and in Italian fascio, came to symbolise strength through unity, the point being that whilst each independent rod was fragile, as a bundle they were strong. By extension, the word fascio came in modern Italian political usage to mean group, union, band or league. It was first used in this sense in the 1870s by groups of revolutionary democrats in Sicily, to describe themselves. The most famous of these groups was the Fasci Siciliani during 1891–94.[2] Thereafter, the word retained revolutionary connotations. It was these connotations which made it attractive, for example, to young nationalists who demanded Italian intervention in World War I. The fasci they formed were scattered over Italy, and it was to one of these spontaneously created groups, devoid of party affiliations, Benito Mussolini belonged. (Wiki).
These fascist symbols can be found throughout American society... The arm rests on the Lincoln memorial...The dollar note... And even here... Along with the axe head...
 

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Precisely. Which is what many people miss when looking for the markers of fascism in today's society. Fascism is alive and well in America, and the future of fascism is dependant upon a partnership between corporate America and government. Other markers of fascism in America go back a long way... The symbols of fascism particularly during the 19th century, the bundle of rods, in Latin called fasces and in Italian fascio, came to symbolise strength through unity, the point being that whilst each independent rod was fragile, as a bundle they were strong. By extension, the word fascio came in modern Italian political usage to mean group, union, band or league. It was first used in this sense in the 1870s by groups of revolutionary democrats in Sicily, to describe themselves. The most famous of these groups was the Fasci Siciliani during 1891–94.[2] Thereafter, the word retained revolutionary connotations. It was these connotations which made it attractive, for example, to young nationalists who demanded Italian intervention in World War I. The fasci they formed were scattered over Italy, and it was to one of these spontaneously created groups, devoid of party affiliations, Benito Mussolini belonged. (Wiki).
These fascist symbols can be found throughout American society... The arm rests on the Lincoln memorial...The dollar note... And even here... Along with the axe head...

Great post!
 

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The Left serves "their father the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar, and is known as the father of lies"

( slightly paraphrased. )
We all deserve Hell fire, but God had mercy on some of us. We should be merciful also.

Matthew 5
7 Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.

Luke 6
36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
 
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I wish this thread was titled, "Understanding the Political Spectrum."

On the LEFT is 100% government control (collectivism).

On the right is 0% government control (anarchy).

In the middle is a Constitutionally-limited Republic, which most countries nowadays are, where there is private property and government has the responsibility to help protect people's private property, the only manifestation of individual rights.

LEFTISM has numerous variants: Communism, Fascism, Socialism, Cultural Marxism, etc. They are all anti-God, evil ideologies at their core. Advocates seek power over individuals through one form of collectivism or another. This is in stark contrast with Christianity, which is concerned primarily with the salvation of an individual soul - yours. I suspect @TinMan would like this thread.

 
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Correct. Mussolini declined to give Italy's Jews to the Nazis.

Nazism is fascism plus the Aryan racial "supremacy" dogma along with their total hatred of anything Jewish. As you probably know, Karl Marx was a Jew and invented Marxism and Hitler hated the Soviet Union, which he viewed as a Jewish creation.

Many leftists will say that Hitler was "far-right" because he persecuted German communists but they misunderstand why Hitler did so. Hitler was a nationalist. German communists looked to Stalin as their ideological leader. That was, of course, completely unacceptable to Hitler and so Hitler persecuted German communists.

On another note regarding German racial "superiority", I read a book about Heinrich Himmler. As a young man, Himmler bragged to his compatriots about Aryan superiority. One of them joked to another (when Himmler wasn't around) that, if they looked like Himmler, they wouldn't be bragging about Aryan superiority. LOL.
The Holocaust in Italy
 

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Yea, after Mussolini lost power the Nazis occupied Italy and then the Nazis began deporting Jews to death camps. From your link:

"The Holocaust in Italy was the persecution, deportation, and murder of Jews between 1943 and 1945 in the Italian Social Republic, the part of the Kingdom of Italy occupied by Nazi Germany after the Italian surrender on September 8, 1943, during World War II."
 
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Paxton also said that fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas (which may explain why fascism can be hard to define). In "The Five Stages of Fascism," he defined seven "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining individual rights.
Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
A strong sense of community or brotherhood.
Individual self-esteem is tied to the perceived greatness of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is typically male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
Affinity for "the beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.
Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

The actions and demands made in Tennessee were pure Fascism by the left ....The attack on the female swimmer for speaking out against men swimming against women .....pure fascism.

Both elements of a minority attacking the majority. Not by way of democratic politics.
 

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The idea of a naturally superior group

Nah. Mussolini didn't preach racial superiority nor have other fascists. Racial superiority/inferiority are hallmarks of Nazism, but not fascism.

If you want to know what fascists believed, read their writings and avoid folks like Paxton that wish to redefine fascism for their own dishonest purposes.
 

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Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

That's largely true but not all fascist states engage/engaged in military aggression. Mussolini and Hitler certainly did. Franco and the modern Chinese fascist state have not, although they are belligerent.
 

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Nah. Mussolini didn't preach racial superiority nor have other fascists. Racial superiority/inferiority are hallmarks of Nazism, but not fascism.

If you want to know what fascists believed, read their writings and avoid folks like Paxton that wish to redefine fascism for their own dishonest purposes.
Racial superiority is the hallmarks of Judaism as well !
Jews believe that all outside of Judaism are Goyim = Their Cattle !
The Nazi Party was a creation of the Talmud, Nazi just means National Socialist German workers Party. but within such is a Talmud inspired workings of the Party's foundations that it was created on. Hitler could never got to power unless they helped him up all the way through and then we seen Hitler's real ambition was to destroy the German people as no one was more of an idiot than him in the blunders that got most of them killed in the German Defence force. Not to mention he said he wanted every German to be killed, to fight to the last man standing ! Just like W Churchill demanded as well !
Their is no love lost for the people because their never was ant to start from with any Leader.
The 6 million Jews who were killed were a threat to the Talmud whore, because they understood that the Talmud was a great Whore ! and this is why that Hitler loved the Talmud Whore and did their bidding right from the beginning of his Game.
Hitler would not allow Jewish Newspapers print at all ! but for the so called Zionist so called Jews Newspapers could print and they used the same sort of tactics to try and brainwash the German Jews, to come over to the Talmud way of thinking but they failed in that attempt, so they had to kick off their "Burnt offering" too their gods ? and the Talmud Jew newspapers said in print of the 6 million Jews who would be killed some years ahead ! It was all planed by them !

Just as W Churchill said 3 years before the War, That Germany was going to get War regardless if she wanted it or not !

So a old Jew informed me back in 1972 and he had the Nazi Numbers Tattoo on his arm perfectly done in such Nazi camps, not rubbish like some moron does it like a school room 3rd rate type nonsense kids do ?

When one calls the 6 million killed a Holocaust ? Does one know what this truly means ? It means that you are serving a Satanic god in fact ? why well ! because you are giving consent to it all ? as your gods will ? because it's a burnt offering ! You have just given your consent to the killing of the 6 million in fact, so the blood is on your hands in fact, for this is the god you serve or have been coned to swallow such a cunning attempt to delude you into playing into their hands.
Major thing is that such does an injustice to God ! and is making out that God did this, as if it was his will ? But No ! it was not Gods will at all ! It was the will of a god ? That of the Talmud Whore idolises !

Remember that Jesus pointed out such, who were of their Father, of lies and was a Murderer from the beginning ! That is what the Talmud Whore is all about ! This is the ones who lead the Jews astray and not to mention, worked to undermine Jesus.

Satanic people who are Willing to sacrifice others to their god's ! They create such delusions for their own ends ?

The 6 million murdered was Genocide in fact and not a burnt offering to God at all ! but a burnt offering to their Talmud gods !
Such a people have twisted it all to make out that it was God's will ? but no ! it's of their will that they did such to give power to their gods.
So you if you are worthy of Christ Jesus, you would know God The Father ! and not serve such stupid gods as the Jews do or Islam for they do not know God the Father in fact at all ! Because no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son in fact ! and anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan in fact !

Be carful not to fall for such blood thirsty Vampires Games !
 

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Paxton also said that fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas (which may explain why fascism can be hard to define). In "The Five Stages of Fascism," he defined seven "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining individual rights.
Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
A strong sense of community or brotherhood.
Individual self-esteem is tied to the perceived greatness of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is typically male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
Affinity for "the beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.
Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

The actions and demands made in Tennessee were pure Fascism by the left ....The attack on the female swimmer for speaking out against men swimming against women .....pure fascism.

Both elements of a minority attacking the majority. Not by way of democratic politics.
You unwittingly described the Catholic Church. Fascinating insights, and I wonder if Paxton saw a parallel there?
 

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Unlike most economic positions such as Communism, Socialism and Democracy .......Fascism actually lacks a clear defined overall stance. No one wrote a book ......

That's why Germany and Italy never meshed .....Germany wanted no Jews and Italy countered "We need them to drive the trains"
 

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Unlike most economic positions such as Communism, Socialism and Democracy .......Fascism actually lacks a clear defined overall stance. No one wrote a book ......

That's why Germany and Italy never meshed .....Germany wanted no Jews and Italy countered "We need them to drive the trains"
Is that true ? That the Germans did not want the Jews ?

Or did the Germans hate the Blacks ? That has to be BS for sure ! Where does this hatred for the blacks come from ? Just typical Socialist propaganda creation coming from the Satanic Talmud Jews propaganda that is dished up, just as it is nowadays to want too cause trouble.

Look at the French back in the early 1900's It's clear They loved the blacks totally !

Not to mention what Jews is Hitler refer to ? and then again what Jews are the Germans themselves refer to ? Lets go back to pre 1900 then 1910 and so on ? Ever the English despise the Jews ? not to mention every Nation on earth despised the Jew in fact !
But why ? and not to mention what type of such.
Now if you look back at the boarders of Europe, people like Hitler's dad was a border guard ? and all border guards were set with the rules as to who could come in to a Nation in fact, and some Jews were fine to come in but some types of such Jews were not allowed in fact ! and that's the Laws for 100's of years going back.
Not to mention Jews have been coming into Germany for 2000 years in fact and so was their a problem ?
I think that some Jews did not want other types of Jews in as well ?
But some types were let in because they had money ?
And the trouble came about from such wealthy Jews who lent money to the stupid Goyim and ripped them off so badly that the dumb Germans did not like that ? same as in England etc etc and the Satanic Jew who has no Grace got kicked out because they were so beastly in undermining the simple Goyim ? Even the Kings and such of Europe were all shafted by that type of Jew, through history.

So that is the issue ! the rest of anything to do with the Jews is nothing to be bothered about truly at all.
But it's this issue of undermining the simple Goyim that created the hatred of such a people in fact.

Then we see that Germany took in most of the Jews that were kicked out of Russia and the UK did not want them and did not take in that amount as the German government took in. But the German people did not want such and this caused trouble ? kick starting more of a hatred for them Jews ? and then the ball rolled on from their on, not to mention them Jews had no regard for who took them in and worked to undermine the Goyim business and that created more hostility.