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Interesting idea. (think Frank Sinatra, or Bobby Caldwell)
As in a whole thread promoting sinfulness and excusing it to promote more sin ?
There is NOTHING we need to understand, its a sin, this is the same as saying us Christians need to learn about the ins and outs and apparent justifications of murder, theft and adultery, and other sins, we don't, a sin is a sin and you cannot bend God's word, you might be able to hide behind laws that force society to pander to you but you cannot change Gods word and what is put in black and white in the bible as a sin.I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction.
Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh.
Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman.
In my previous topic, WWJD with LGBTQ, I tried to inform forum members about what I knew about the subject.
--- If you wonder where I am coming from, that's a good place to start. ---
The level of ignorance on this subject is substantial.
And more than that, the level of aggression toward those humans with these issues.
And EVEN more than that, the aggression toward anyone, like myself who would DARE
to stand up to defend these precious ones that Jesus gave his life for.
Recently I have been accused of being a "homo" (I'm not) and for "lying" (I didn't) about being a Christian (in Christ). - Sigh.
Therefore, the Ethics & Morality Forum seemed appropriate. This has become an issue of Ethics & Morality.
Understanding LGBTQ - 101 / Terminology:
(note: we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to understand them)
I'm not an expert by any stretch; but this is what I have learned to date.
Birth Sex: The sex/gender you were born with.
Determined by the presence of male or female genitalia.
A small percentage are born with dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities.
See "Gender Assigned at Birth" below.
Gender Assigned at Birth: Now part of the paperwork doctors are required to fill out.
Allowing for parents to assign Non-Binary gender on the birth certificate.
Previously this was reserved for doctors and parents (hopefully) in cases of
dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities. (this subject is new to me)
Gender Identity: In most cases gender is determined by birth sex.
But as we have all seen, hormonal imbalances can give us a broad range of maleness and femaleness.
There are very masculine females and very feminine males. and everything in between.
See Gender Roles and Gender Dysphoria below.
Gender Roles: We see early signs of children gravitating toward gender specific interests.
Typically girls play with dolls and boys prefer trucks. But not always. Happens as early as 3 to 5 years.
We have seen a lot of evening out in this area. Opportunities for women in typically male roles.
Things have gone in the other direction as well. With more and more stay-at-home Dads.
Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.
Transgender: A range of reactions to gender dysphoria. Manifesting in anything from
clothing and hair style preferences and name change to gender reassignment surgery.
Sexual Orientation: Attraction to opposite sex, or same-sex partners.
Note: Transgenderism does NOT automatically effect a change in sexual orientation.
Monogamous Relationships:
A couple in a lifetime commitment to each other regardless of sexual orientation.
Again, we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to UNDERSTAND them
in order to have any meaningful relationships with LGBTQ humans.
Discussion questions:
Please use the terminology laid about above in the discussion, thanks.
1) Were LGBTQ humans created in the image of God?
2) Does God love LGBTQ humans?
3) Did Jesus die to pay the death penalty for LGBTQ humans?
4) Has the church recognized these factors?
5) Has the church acted accordingly?
6) What is your church, or fellowship, doing about this issue?
7) What can you do personally to grapple with this issue?
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What if you were attending an urban church in a neighborhood where murder was a BIG problem?
Okay so you wanna play "what if" aka devils advocate.
This is the problem with even trying to discuss this issue.
Say what? Who is that?
If there is a genetic aspect, it comes through the family line. IMO - And environment may play a bigger role.
That's the point I am trying to make with these topics.
Well, brother, there has been no evidence of a genetic reason for these situations. However, our social climate and condition of broken family units alter the way children develop and think. I do believe it is a nurture problem. One can have sinful desires (and I think we all do), the issue is whether or not we act on them.
That's a great point. Thanks for your candor. We all struggle.
Because it's an ongoing topic for you. No different from a particular member of this site going on about Saturday worship services.
Not sure that's fair. ???
Correct....and in each of these threads your focus is on discounting scripture, bringing God less than Omnipotent, omniscient, sovereign, or holy holy holy.
Contrary to some opinions, I believe that true understanding and wisdom come from putting effort into validating what we claim to believe. Someone not willing to admit that they just might not know God's truth is someone who is walking in the pathway of some man who claims that his truth is also God's. If we can't prove it is true by the entirety of scripture, we should not yet be claiming anything to be true. Modern churches today are based on the views of man rather than allowing Yahweh to teach us in community. I have found that anyone who leads a bible study using ALL of scripture upsets that staff of the church.
