Trinitarianism and unitarianism (and though not touched on much in this thread, binitarianism) do have some beliefs in common. You will have more in common with the unitarians (and the binitarians) than I (representing Jewish monotheism) do.
Unitarianism vs Trinitarianism
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Trinitarianism and unitarianism (and though not touched on much in this thread, binitarianism) do have some beliefs in common. You will have more in common with the unitarians (and the binitarians) than I (representing Jewish monotheism) do.
I believe in ONE GOD, now there may be those who like to put labels on ppl such as...................
Multiple places in scripture the creator, God, has said himself, there is only one God and none others.
Multiple places in scripture the creator, God, has said himself, there is only one God and none others.
Wrangler
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V7. Thou madest him a littler than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and DIDEST SET HIM .....OVER....THE WORKS OF THY HANDS.
If ppl are dividing it into 3 gods or 3 persons then yes I reject that term, trinity.
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d Interesting that in Romans 8 we have Father, Son and Holy Spirit - God in Three Persons - within the course of a few lines:
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."
Father, Son and Holy Spirit in John's First Epistle also:
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son... Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 2:22; 4:2-3)
The word Trinity is not in the Bible; but what the word Trinity refers to - God in Three Persons - certainly is in the Bible.
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."
Father, Son and Holy Spirit in John's First Epistle also:
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son... Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 2:22; 4:2-3)
The word Trinity is not in the Bible; but what the word Trinity refers to - God in Three Persons - certainly is in the Bible.
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No where does this say God in 3 persons.
God is the Father of the Son of man, Jesus was born 100% flesh, and 100% God. It is God's Holy Spirit, man also has a spirit as do animals. The spirit of man goes up, the spirit of animals goes down into the ground, for they have NOT a living soul ! God's Spirit is holy for he, himself is holy.
WE ARE 100 % FLESH and are adopted into God through Christ to be joint heirs with God; we are NOT THE NATURAL CHILDREN OF GOD !
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d This is a great passage supporting a great truth:
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20)
Father, Son and Holy Spirit all show their Personalities: they are all Persons who are moved with feeling within Themselves:
"and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:17)
"In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight." (Luke 10:17)
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)
Wrangler
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Not only is this nowhere in Scripture, it contradicts Judeo-Christian theology on the wages of sin and substitutionary punishment.
No part of Jesus can be God for all parts of Jesus had to die. This is why Romans 10:9 makes salvation a condition of believing that God - in his unitarian nature - raised Jesus from the dead. (NOTE: It doesn't say a part of Jesus was alive or 'the Father' raised Jesus but God, meaning God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature) It doesn't get heavier than that.
The flesh or natural part of Jesus died. Yet he spent three days in hell according to scripture preaching the good news to prisoners there. So therefore the God part of Jesus did not die but was very much active. On his ascension he only returned unto the Father from whence he came !
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Wrangler
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Seems you embrace the concept. (And I didn't ask if you reject the term)
If Jesus was born 100% God, why did God's spirit descend on him when he was baptized?
Wrangler
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He made a second attempt to spread anarchy like a cancer in another forum. It was deleted like his first attempt was and I haven’t seen him since. I don’t know if that is by his choice or someone else’s.
That’s right. It has to be read into the text. The technical term for it is eisegesis.
The justification offered is that it comes to us from the church.
“… the entire work of the Creator devolves on Christ.”
(Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book 4, Chapter 15)
Devolves?
“To give power or responsibility to a person or group that is at a lower level or has less authority”
devolve
1. to (cause power or responsibility to) be given to other people: 2. to…
Tertullian constantly makes a distinction between the Creator and Christ. In Tertullian’s mind is the belief that there was a time when the Son did not exist. Once the Son is brought into existence - at the time of the creation, by the Creator - then the Son is thought of by Tertullian as God, though distinct from, inferior to, lesser than, the Creator.
You don’t think like that. No trinitarian thinks like that.
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