For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thes. 5:3
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USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?
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Spiritual Israelite
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That verse has nothing to do with a peace treaty in the Middle East. Let's look at it in context.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
In this passage Paul is contrasting two groups of people that I highlighted in red and blue. He is contrasting believers, who are in spiritual light and are spiritually alert and sober, with unbelievers, who are in spiritual darkness and are spiritually drunk and asleep. So, the context of this passage is related to the spiritual status of people and how the unexpected arrival of the day of the Lord will affect each of the two groups (believers in the light and unbelievers in the darkness).
So, in context, who are the ones saying "peace and safety" here? Those who are in spiritual darkness. Which describes all unbelievers throughout the world. All unbelievers are saying this. In what context are they saying it? In relation to world peace or peace in the Middle East? No. They're saying it in relation to their own personal spiritual status. All unbelievers who are in spiritual darkness and saying "peace and safety" think that they are spiritually at peace and are safe from God's wrath. But, they will find out otherwise when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night on day and hour that no one knows and "sudden destruction" will come upon them from which "they shall not escape". This lines up with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 about Jesus taking vengeance on all those who do not believe and with what Peter wrote about the day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3:10-12. The destruction will come upon all unbelievers because all unbelievers are in spiritual darkness and think that they are spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath.
No, it's not. For one thing it's not really even a peace deal. It's a "memo of understanding" that Trump is touting as a peace deal. It has no teeth; it has no provision for third-party inspections. It's just a weak attempt to help himself politically.
Ronald D Milam
Well-Known Member
Nope, and its not a "peace agreement" it is an Agreement (Covenant) people think it has to be an peace agreement, else why would Israel sign on? Instead it is this below which has run in 7 year cycles, but its just the framework of the real agreement. NOTICE THE RED EMPHASIS.
From the official wik page:
The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or become more closely integrated with the European Union.
The countries covered are Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South. Think of the Dan. 9:27 Agreement with Israel and THE MANY. What is the many? Its the many nations, besides Israel this AC conquers, and we can see this battle play out in Dan. 11:40-43, he conquers COUNTRIIES to get at Israel (Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and parts of Jordan, just not Edom, Ammon nor Moab which he will not conquer, or the Petra/Bozrah region the 1/3 who repent flee unto) then he conquers Israel and all of North Africa (Egypt and Libya at that time) will be at his hand.
Why does Dan. 7:7-8 say this kingdom must arise out of the fourth beasts head?
Its obvious that the E.U. Anti-Christ will conquer Israel, but what is THE AGREEMENT?
Israel joins the European Union, as the RED STATED ABOVE, some of the nations will one day seek to become Member States (Satan is setting this up so well). The Gog & Magog war will drive Israel into seeking to become an E.U. Member, but they will demand Israel to give up their nukes.
After the first 42 months of rule, an Asteroid hits in the Americas and God takes them/us out of the way, we are too busy, plus after the pre trib. rapture most left in the USA will be flakey at best. So, after God destroys 5/6 of the armies of Russia, Turkey and Iran, (which Satan foreknows) this E.U. Beast will be free to go forth conquering without much pushback.
The Dan. 9:27 Agreement = Israel joining the E.U. The Conquering by the AC = Israel & THE MANY.
No. The saying of "peace and safety" will be right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39, when the Antichrist arrives on the scene and the Jews think he is their long awaited King of Israel messiah. And a false messianic age begins.
Correct 100%. Trump conceded on several things bc Iran refused money. (It's money that the US stole from them, anyway.)
Hi Ronald,
This is people saying `Peace and Safety, (security- same Greek word) but there is more to come. `While they are saying...`
This peace will make Israel seemingly safe, as Ez. 38 says.
Now does anyone believe that Iran is telling the truth? of course not. They think it is fine to lie. Obviously they have an agreement with Russia and they are pretending to want peace. Actually the Russian word `meer` for peace, means the world. That is their aim.
So, while the West thinks everything is fine and Trump gets the accolades for the only President to bring peace in the Middle East, the Russians are rearming their army in Syria. Yes, they are in the Middle East and no one seems to notice.
Wait a few months for the `peace` to settle and then God will bring down the northern army and others to be judged on the mountains of the Golan Heights. Wow, then the world will really say, `Peace and safety` at last.
Then the `sudden destruction` of the trib, will start.
Hello Ronald,
The core historical point is this: “Peace and safety” was a real political slogan in the first‑century Roman world, and Paul is deliberately using it to warn the Thessalonian believers that the very empire boasting of stability was on the brink of catastrophic judgment.
I can’t reach this site not sure why, but copilot list it as well. https://www.judaism-and-rome.org/1-thessalonians-53?utm_source=copilot.com
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The Roman slogan “Peace and Safety”
In the first century, Rome constantly advertised the Pax Romana — the “peace” and “security” supposedly guaranteed by Caesar. Inscriptions, coins, and imperial propaganda used the exact phrase eirēnē kai asphaleia (“peace and security”). Thessalonica, where Paul’s audience lived, minted coins celebrating Pax and Securitas, and inscriptions honored the emperor for bringing “peace and safety.” judaism-a... +1
Paul is intentionally echoing that slogan to expose its emptiness. Rome promised stability — but the prophets had long warned that when people say “Peace, peace,” destruction is near (Jeremiah 6:14). judaism-and-...
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Why Paul says “then sudden destruction”
Paul’s warning mirrors the Hebrew prophets and Jesus’ own language:
• sudden judgment like the Flood
• sudden fire on Sodom
• sudden “birth pains” of covenant judgment (Isaiah 13:8; Matthew 24:8)
Bible Hub
The “labor pains” metaphor means inevitable, unstoppable, and intensifying — once they begin, the outcome cannot be delayed. Bible Hub
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How this fits the first‑century timeline
Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians around 50 AD, during the height of Rome’s propaganda about peace. But within a generation:
• Judea erupted in revolt (66 AD)
• Rome crushed Jerusalem (70 AD)
• the Temple was destroyed
• the Jewish world experienced “sudden destruction” exactly as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24
Paul’s audience lived in a world where Rome boasted of security — yet the covenantal Day of the Lord was approaching their generation, not ours. The warning was for them, not for 21st‑century readers.
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The point Paul is making
Paul is saying:
• When the world around you boasts of stability…
• When the empire claims to guarantee peace…
• When the unbelieving world feels safe…
That is precisely when God’s covenant judgment breaks in.
Rome’s “peace” was a façade. The Day of the Lord would expose it.
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Summary
1 Thessalonians 5:3 is not a vague end‑times prediction for our era — it is a razor‑sharp critique of first‑century Roman propaganda and a warning to the early church that the Day of the Lord was about to fall on the old covenant world. The slogan “peace and safety” was on the lips of Rome, but destruction was at the door.
The core historical point is this: “Peace and safety” was a real political slogan in the first‑century Roman world, and Paul is deliberately using it to warn the Thessalonian believers that the very empire boasting of stability was on the brink of catastrophic judgment.
I can’t reach this site not sure why, but copilot list it as well. https://www.judaism-and-rome.org/1-thessalonians-53?utm_source=copilot.com
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The Roman slogan “Peace and Safety”
In the first century, Rome constantly advertised the Pax Romana — the “peace” and “security” supposedly guaranteed by Caesar. Inscriptions, coins, and imperial propaganda used the exact phrase eirēnē kai asphaleia (“peace and security”). Thessalonica, where Paul’s audience lived, minted coins celebrating Pax and Securitas, and inscriptions honored the emperor for bringing “peace and safety.” judaism-a... +1
Paul is intentionally echoing that slogan to expose its emptiness. Rome promised stability — but the prophets had long warned that when people say “Peace, peace,” destruction is near (Jeremiah 6:14). judaism-and-...
---
Why Paul says “then sudden destruction”
Paul’s warning mirrors the Hebrew prophets and Jesus’ own language:
• sudden judgment like the Flood
• sudden fire on Sodom
• sudden “birth pains” of covenant judgment (Isaiah 13:8; Matthew 24:8)
Bible Hub
The “labor pains” metaphor means inevitable, unstoppable, and intensifying — once they begin, the outcome cannot be delayed. Bible Hub
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How this fits the first‑century timeline
Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians around 50 AD, during the height of Rome’s propaganda about peace. But within a generation:
• Judea erupted in revolt (66 AD)
• Rome crushed Jerusalem (70 AD)
• the Temple was destroyed
• the Jewish world experienced “sudden destruction” exactly as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24
Paul’s audience lived in a world where Rome boasted of security — yet the covenantal Day of the Lord was approaching their generation, not ours. The warning was for them, not for 21st‑century readers.
---
The point Paul is making
Paul is saying:
• When the world around you boasts of stability…
• When the empire claims to guarantee peace…
• When the unbelieving world feels safe…
That is precisely when God’s covenant judgment breaks in.
Rome’s “peace” was a façade. The Day of the Lord would expose it.
---
Summary
1 Thessalonians 5:3 is not a vague end‑times prediction for our era — it is a razor‑sharp critique of first‑century Roman propaganda and a warning to the early church that the Day of the Lord was about to fall on the old covenant world. The slogan “peace and safety” was on the lips of Rome, but destruction was at the door.
Spiritual Israelite
Well-Known Member
I think there's something you are missing here. Paul indicated that the "sudden destruction" was something that would come upon more than just Jerusalem and Judea because he told the Thessalonian believers that the way to avoid the sudden destruction was by being in the spiritual light rather than spiritual darkness. He gave that as the reason why the Thessalonian believers would not need to be concerned that the sudden destruction could affect them if that unexpected event were to occur in their lifetimes.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
In your view, Paul could only tell them that the day of the Lord should not overtake them as a thief in the night because they were not located where the sudden destruction would occur (Judea). But, Paul indicated that the reason that day should not overtake them was because they were "sons of light and sons of the day" and "not of the night nor of darkness". Paul said that those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape" that "sudden destruction". He didn't say those located in Judea would not escape it. In your view, the Thessalonians escaped it by way of not being located in Judea, but Paul indicated that the way in which they would avoid it, if it happened in their lifetimes, would be to make sure they stayed alert and sober and in the spiritual light instead of being in the spiritual darkness.
No, not first century.
1Thessalonians 5:1-11 is end times when the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians 4:14-18 will be fulfilled. The resurrection/rapture event is in 1Thessalonians 5:9-11.
1Thessalonians 5:1-11 is a continuation of 1Thessalonians 4:14-18.
Notice:
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
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It had to be talked about at some point… right?
People are free to hold whatever views they choose. Paul even said, “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). That means each person stands before God with their own convictions, not someone else’s.
And if we’re being honest, it’s worth asking: Who were these letters originally written to, and do those people matter in the context of the message? Those are real questions people should wrestle with for themselves.
I don’t need anyone else’s answers — though you’re welcome to share yours if you want. I’ve already worked through these things and I’m convinced in my own mind.
Because no one has the right to dictate another person’s faith. When someone tries to do that, they’re not guiding you — they’re trying to control you as an individual. Scripture makes it clear: “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (2 Corinthians 3:17), and “You were bought with a price; do not become servants of men” (1 Corinthians 7:23).
Faith is personal. Conviction is personal. And God honors that.
It had to be talked about at some point… right?
People are free to hold whatever views they choose. Paul even said, “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). That means each person stands before God with their own convictions, not someone else’s.
And if we’re being honest, it’s worth asking: Who were these letters originally written to, and do those people matter in the context of the message? Those are real questions people should wrestle with for themselves.
I don’t need anyone else’s answers — though you’re welcome to share yours if you want. I’ve already worked through these things and I’m convinced in my own mind.
Because no one has the right to dictate another person’s faith. When someone tries to do that, they’re not guiding you — they’re trying to control you as an individual. Scripture makes it clear: “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (2 Corinthians 3:17), and “You were bought with a price; do not become servants of men” (1 Corinthians 7:23).
Faith is personal. Conviction is personal. And God honors that.
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