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[marks]

Trump is deeply venerated by many of his followers as another "christ" or "anointed one". I was just wondering again how far that veneration goes. If someone thinks that Trump is a "christ", they may ascribe this thing about toileting and many other miracles to him. I suppose further stories are floating around.

Yeah I don't know that he's so deeply venerated as all that. Toilet paper miracles! The whole tone strikes me as underhanded and disparaging.

 

[marks]

I do have an agenda. I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again.

What would that look like? Supporting BLM?

 

[marks]

I'd be happy to know he didn't have to sleep in diapers.

Look at what this discussion has devolved into.

Comments like these from @bukka will do that.

 

[marks]

Truly the Trump's followers worship the POTUS.

Rather a broad brush wouldn't you say? That IS a fallacy. You are just painting supporters of President Trump as fools.



Why?

 

[Enoch111]

Have you heard of the Boogaloo?

No. Sasquatch is sufficient.

 

[marks]

I do have an agenda. I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again. I want the idols of hatred, selfishness, anarchy, and false "christs" be cast aside.

So then . . .

"Christian conservatives" are . . .

. . . hateful . . . selfish . . . anarchist . . .and follow "false Christs".

That certainly IS an agenda!

Something that Dr. Laura said once, I think it was very wise . . . when people tell you who they are, believe them.

 

[marks]

But human gods have their issues and demand their own worship.

You really do seem to have it in for this guy!

 

[bukka]

Rather a broad brush wouldn't you say? That IS a fallacy. You are just painting supporters of President Trump as fools.



Why?

No marks. Trump's followers are not fools, merely deluded. They heard from him what they wanted to hear. It's an issue of spiritual discernment. Christians know that they must worship God "in spirit and in truth". If they become caught up in the things of this world, they may abandon that walking in Christ and that worship in spirit and in truth for that which their hearts yearn for. They may substitute true worship for the worship of an idol.

Do you see on this forum how hostile some people are when their idols, which also involve Trump, are attacked? The lack of spiritual discernment may mean the loss of further discernment, and the hostility, the hatred that is needed to defend an idol. The hatred them will be furthered and fueled by guilt as to how they have treated their fellow man.

So then . . .

"Christian conservatives" are . . .

. . . hateful . . . selfish . . . anarchist . . .and follow "false Christs".

That certainly IS an agenda!

Something that Dr. Laura said once, I think it was very wise . . . when people tell you who they are, believe them.

You really do seem to have it in for this guy!

I'm not worshiping Trump as another "christ". I only accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. I accept that idol worshipers will worship idols in a manner that involves falsity, selfishness, hatefulness and an anarchism indifferent to the public good. At a certain point, these "Christian conservatives" shall become apostates. I'm wanting to call these conservatives back to their true love, Christ, and not to commit apostasy. At a certain point they will go too far and will not be able to come back to Christ. And that will be sad.

I ask, marks, that you give this some thought. Thank you for your time.

 

[Agios]

No marks. Trump's followers are not fools, merely deluded. They heard from him what they wanted to hear. It's an issue of spiritual discernment. Christians know that they must worship God "in spirit and in truth". If they become caught up in the things of this world, they may abandon that walking in Christ and that worship in spirit and in truth for that which their hearts yearn for. They may substitute true worship for the worship of an idol.

Do you see on this forum how hostile some people are when their idols, which also involve Trump, are attacked? The lack of spiritual discernment may mean the loss of further discernment, and the hostility, the hatred that is needed to defend an idol. The hatred them will be furthered and fueled by guilt as to how they have treated their fellow man.

You can say this about Trump and his followers at this moment in time, yet can't you see, this is EXACTLY the response from the left with Obama when he was in office AND continued devotion now. We saw memes saying he was the savior of the US, we saw how people esteemed him to god status. The left now sees BLM as "their god", people see the US government as their god, some people see the media as their god (and please don't say people don't this, they do it all the time -they put their hope and trust in these secular organizations or people and claim they will help us, save us, fix it). People put trust in BLM and look what happened! Spiritual discernment says those riots, those looters, those deaths were hands down not from God, He is a God of order, not chaos. It tells me to avoid BLM like the plague - as a believer.

History repeats itself over and over again.

I question Christian's spiritual discernment when it comes to being devoted to Obama, too. This is why it's wise to stay out of the worldly affairs as believers, it causes nothing but unrest, it takes away the peace of God and our focus is not on God any longer (and I am guilty of this, too - it's a battle to stay out of it).

So, with this being said, are we at all wise or spiritual discerned when we choose a man, an organization, a government to help us other than God Himself? It's a no brainer but look what we've done, we've done exactly that!

 

[marks]

No marks. Trump's followers are not fools, merely deluded.

Regardless . . . paint in any color you like, it's still a broad brush overgeneralization, which is false. A false argument.

They heard from him what they wanted to hear.

Ad hominem that is equally false.

It's an issue of spiritual discernment.

Yes, we need to use discernment, and not just swallow whatever narrative is being offered.

Christians know that they must worship God "in spirit and in truth". If they become caught up in the things of this world, they may abandon that walking in Christ and that worship in spirit and in truth for that which their hearts yearn for. They may substitute true worship for the worship of an idol.

Could happen to anyone, including someone who is intent on "fixing" the "conservatives".

Do you see on this forum how hostile some people are when their idols, which also involve Trump, are attacked?

Um, I don't know. Again, kind of a generalize sort of statement akin to mudslinging. Throw it around, and see if anything sticks?

At a certain point, these "Christian conservatives" shall become apostates. I'm wanting to call these conservatives back to their true love, Christ, and not to commit apostasy. At a certain point they will go too far and will not be able to come back to Christ. And that will be sad.

I ask, marks, that you give this some thought. Thank you for your time.

So someone who considers themself conservative is deluded and hellbound. Your concern is duly noted.

Do you share equal concern for "Christian Liberals"?

What if you were to strip away the nonsense of political labels? Then what?

Something for you to think about!

And what does it mean that you are gunning for the conservatives? That you support the Liberal agenda?

Do you agree with the stated views of BLM?

 

[bukka]

You can say this about Trump and his followers at this moment in time, yet can't you see, this is EXACTLY the response from the left with Obama when he was in office AND continued devotion now. We saw memes saying he was the savior of the US, we saw how people esteemed him to god status. The left now sees BLM as "their god", people see the US government as their god, some people see the media as their god (and please don't say people don't this, they do it all the time -they put their hope and trust in these secular organizations or people and claim they will help us, save us, fix it). People put trust in BLM and look what happened! Spiritual discernment says those riots, those looters, those deaths were hands down not from God, He is a God of order, not chaos. It tells me to avoid BLM like the plague - as a believer.

History repeats itself over and over again.

I question Christian's spiritual discernment when it comes to being devoted to Obama, too. This is why it's wise to stay out of the worldly affairs as believers, it causes nothing but unrest, it takes away the peace of God and our focus is not on God any longer (and I am guilty of this, too - it's a battle to stay out of it).

So, with this being said, are we at all wise or spiritual discerned when we choose a man, an organization, a government to help us other than God Himself? It's a no brainer but look what we've done, we've done exactly that!

Thank you for your post, Agios. The riots were caused by police murder and the connivance of other groups apart from BLM as Giuliano has already demonstrated in this thread.

Obama was never regarded by his followers as another "christ" or "chosen one". He is highly esteemed. For many blacks, he is esteemed much as they esteem Abraham Lincoln, a Republican. For many blacks, many mainly conservatives have not replaced Jesus Christ or supplemented his majesty with another "christ".

I agree with you that the left has confidence in governmental institutions. They believe in community. Many of them believe that God has instituted governments to establish order and to further the common good. I can understand your thinking that it would be wise to stay out of worldly affairs, but there is a lot of hatred that is present in politics that must be addressed. If this hatred is not countered, not interacted with, it will be allowed to fester to such a point that it can endanger communities, even nations. We must have for everyone the message of Christ and his love, and the need to call everyone to repentance.

In a certain sense, Agios, we are both agreed that we need God in the help of human governance. We still need human governance or we'll end up with a Third World government of the rich few over the many poor, and this rich few will rule with a fist of hate, unconcerned with any restraint on anything identified with Christian charity or justice.

 

[historyb]

You will after reading about this incident in London and the lies which followed:

POLICE OFFICER WHO ‘THREW HERSELF FROM HER HORSE’ HAS COLLAPSED LUNG, BROKEN COLLARBONE, SHATTERED RIBS

A police officer in London has suffered serious injuries after her horse bolted when black lives matter protesters started throwing bikes and other projectiles toward the animal. Nevertheless, the media and leftists have claimed that the officer ‘knocked herself’ from the horse.

Police Officer Who ‘Threw Herself From Her Horse’ Has Collapsed Lung, Broken Collarbone, Shattered Ribs

That is sad, much prayers for her. An example of "Peaceful Protestors"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sure it does. I do know what socialism is. I may not go around like Trump telling people I am a stable genius; but I am quite bright and got into Penn because of my high SAT score. I'd love to know what Trump's SAT score was. I suspect he got into Penn because his father contributed a pile of money. That's how rich people get their kids into good colleges.

You could have fooled
Me

the post you made was NOT socialism

you were led wrong

what is happening in America is what happened in Germany (Nazi) Russia (communism) China and other places where socialism took hold

it’s not huge companies controlling everyone it’s the government controlling everyone

 

[bukka]

Regardless . . . paint in any color you like, it's still a broad brush overgeneralization, which is false. A false argument.


Ad hominem that is equally false.

Yes, we need to use discernment, and not just swallow whatever narrative is being offered.


Could happen to anyone, including someone who is intent on "fixing" the "conservatives".


Um, I don't know. Again, kind of a generalize sort of statement akin to mudslinging. Throw it around, and see if anything sticks?



So someone who considers themself conservative is deluded and hellbound. Your concern is duly noted.

Do you share equal concern for "Christian Liberals"?

What if you were to strip away the nonsense of political labels? Then what?

Something for you to think about!

And what does it mean that you are gunning for the conservatives? That you support the Liberal agenda?

Do you agree with the stated views of BLM?

My statements are not general, marks, they are specific. I stated that Trump is deeply venerated by many of his followers as another "christ" or "anointed one". I was just wondering again how far that veneration goes. If someone thinks that Trump is a "christ", they may ascribe this thing about toileting wonders and many other miracles to him. I still suppose further stories are floating around.

I said I do have an agenda. I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again. I want the idols of hatred, selfishness, anarchy, and false "christs" be cast aside.

If you're unhappy about this, why are you not happy about the many Trump followers thinking of him as "an anointed one", a "christ" who is not to be disobeyed? This loyalty is affecting the ability to create sound public policy because it allows Trump to act like some human god.

You need to address what I'm getting at: the idol at the center of conservative politics at this time.

I continue to disagree with Trump's policies in respect to the recent riots. This god has his lacks. I will follow Jesus Christ the Lord.

 

[Agios]

Thank you for your post, Agios. The riots were caused by police murder and the connivance of other groups apart from BLM as Giuliano has already demonstrated in this thread.

The riots were caused by people bent on destruction and chaos (regardless of reason), 2 wrongs don't make a right, and all this began with BLM. They started the protests.

Obama was never regarded by his followers as another "christ" or "chosen one". He is highly esteemed. For many blacks, he is esteemed much as they esteem Abraham Lincoln, a Republican. For many blacks, many mainly conservatives have not replaced Jesus Christ or supplemented his majesty with another "christ".

It was perceived by the Republicans that the Democrats held Obama up as some sort of savior, your perception is that the Republican's hold Trump up as some sort of Savior.
Are you really unable to see this? It's exactly what happened. lol

I agree with you that the left has confidence in governmental institutions. They believe in community. Many of them believe that God has instituted governments to establish order and to further the common good. I can understand your thinking that it would be wise to stay out of worldly affairs, but there is a lot of hatred that is present in politics that must be addressed. If this hatred is not countered, not interacted with, it will be allowed to fester to such a point that it can endanger communities, even nations. We must have for everyone the message of Christ and his love, and the need to call everyone to repentance.

The prince of this world is satan, he has set up a great organization, world governments, in order to control and deceive. This is what kind of government you are putting your faith in, your hope. John said that the spirit of the anti christ is already here! It is in our schools, our governments, in organizations - can't you see the corruption all around you? When you put your faith in anything other than God, that is idolatry, so for any believer to put their trust in any government, any organization - that is idoltry. To esteem another man - Obama - that IS idolatry. Do not put your trust in the flesh of man.

In a certain sense, Agios, we are both agreed that we need God in the help of human governance. We still need human governance or we'll end up with a Third World government of the rich few over the many poor, and this rich few will rule with a fist of hate, unconcerned with any restraint on anything identified with Christian charity or justice.

The human governance the democrats want to bring in is socialism, this ensures the rich stay richer and it brings everyone else down to a very low level, it rids society of any middle class. It tips the scale where more people are on welfare than working, this can not sustain itself. Do a study on world history, it doesn't work.

 

[Giuliano]

No. Sasquatch is sufficient.
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Does Alex Jones cover Sasquatch?

 

[Giuliano]

You could have fooled
Me

the post you made was NOT socialism

you were led wrong

what is happening in America is what happened in Germany (Nazi) Russia (communism) China and other places where socialism took hold

it’s not huge companies controlling everyone it’s the government controlling everyone

Educate yourself. Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

 

[marks]

You need to address what I'm getting at: the idol at the center of conservative politics at this time.

I see you as being artificially narrow and I wonder why that is.

If you want to drill into why someone idolizes President Trump, then you'll need to find some that does I suppose.

This loyalty is affecting the ability to create sound public policy because it allows Trump to act like some human god.

I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

I'd like to see you address what I'm getting at.

There is no "idol" at the "center of conservative politics". Even if some do idolize President Trump!

If you're unhappy about this,

You are the person in front of me, as it were, so I address what is in front of me.

I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again. I want the idols of hatred, selfishness, anarchy, and false "christs" be cast aside.

IN this you are merely casting aspersions on those Christians who consider themselves as conservative, and call into question their lives.

This is acting like a Christian?

I consider myself conservative. I support President Trump. I don't agree with everything he says and does, but who does? What of it?

 

[marks]

The riots were caused by police murder

Complete nonsense! No one's murder caused the riots. The riots were caused be rioters. Plain and simple.

Can you say . . . "change agent"?

 

[Taken]

There is no loss, when one understands from which side of the fence "a conspiracy" originates from. Is it hatched out of concept #1, or is it hatched out of concept #2? Once you are aware, you then become the judge of your destiny around it or through it.

I was speaking of your dad's death.