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[bukka]

Don't try to minimize the damage done by BLM. If you would honestly address issues, it would serve your cause better. BLM did not need outsiders. They ARE outsiders, being paid handsomely by the likes of Soros and other to bring anarchy to America.

BLM has the constitution right to assemble and to seek redress for grievances. They are not outsiders. They are American citizens. The exercise of constitutional rights is not anarchy but is part of the functioning of democracy itself.

The BLM protestors are not the rioters.

"The nation of Islam, a radical, racist, antisemitic and homophobic hate group, provided security for the funeral of George Floyd at the Fountain of Praise Church in Houston, Texas on Tuesday, according to Rev. Remus Wright.

Nation of Islam Provided Security for George Floyd Funeral

Interesting, but irrelevant in respect to the BLM and their constitutional right to assemble and to seek redress for grievances.

Your anger towards Black Lives Matter seems to have confused you about your own civil rights. Have you waived your civil rights?
Christ asks us to love our neighbors as ourselves. I think that is far better than hatred.

 

[Helen]

There's not many freemasons or Illuminati around in 2020. There are plenty of conspiracy theories though.

Dream on young man, dream on....

 

[bukka]

We shouldn't go making an Idol out of someone's anger.

I get that people are angry, and we all have the right to protest, but to coddle their chaos?

Make out that there is some "racial guilt" that must be assuaged by pandering to the lawless left?

Just because they have a cause, we should all fawn over their right to destroy and kill? That's the narrative that's being projected.

No marks. The BLM's constitutional right to assemble and seek a redress of grievances is a constitutional right, and they are exercising that right. The outsiders, the rioters, are not part of the protest. They are taking advantage of the protest to cause trouble. No narrative is being projected, except by those who want to end civil rights, such as the constitutional right of assembly.

But their rights END at the end of their collective noses. Smash windows, steal things, burn property, do you defend that? Instigate violence?

No. No. I am affirming the BLM's constitutional right to assemble and seek a redress of grievances as a constitutional right. I have said this a number of times. I think it should be clear to you. Thanks for your thoughts on this matter.

 

[Giuliano]

Dream on young man, dream on....

 

[Stranger]

No marks. The BLM's constitutional right to assemble and seek a redress of grievances is a constitutional right, and they are exercising that right. The outsiders, the rioters, are not part of the protest. They are taking advantage of the protest to cause trouble. No narrative is being projected, except by those who want to end civil rights, such as the constitutional right of assembly.



No. No. I am affirming the BLM's constitutional right to assemble and seek a redress of grievances as a constitutional right. I have said this a number of times. I think it should be clear to you. Thanks for your thoughts on this matter.

NAAWP have a right to assemble also. As does the Ku Klux Klan. As does any white supremacy organization. Wouldn't you agree.

Yet they are always met with counter protestors who are blacks and minorities who want to infringe on their right to protest.

So, what makes you, being black, so special that you are given a free ride. And a free ride is what you want.

Stranger

 

[Brakelite]

Socialism? That's what we're getting from the Republicans if you pay attention. We do not have free enterprise or capitalism anymore. We have state run enterprise to benefit the fat cats -- very similar to the Chinese and Russian models. Corporations don't save money anymore. Few have cash reserves, many are heavily in debt. They can do that because if times get rough, the government will bail them out.

About the best non encyclopedic description of fascism I've seen. People are starting the US government may turn socialist or fascist? I think she's already speaking like the dragon. (Revelation 13)

After all, I went to the same university Trump went to.

You also are a Jesuit trained fifth columnist?

 

[Enoch111]

Your anger towards Black Lives Matter seems to have confused you about your own civil rights.

Rioting is NOT a civil right. Perhaps you are confused. Actually sensible blacks are angry with BLM's tactics and misdirection.
Are blacks' plight due to bad cops, or Democratic leaders?

Walter E. Williams shares ugly reality in big cities run by liberal African Americans

By Walter Williams

While it might not be popular to say in the wake of the recent social disorder, the true plight of black people has little or nothing to do with the police or what has been called "systemic racism." Instead, we need to look at the responsibilities of those running our big cities.

Some of the most dangerous big cities are: St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Chicago, Memphis, Atlanta, Birmingham, Newark, Buffalo and Philadelphia. The most common characteristic of these cities is that for decades, all of them have been run by liberal Democrats. Some cities – such as Detroit, Buffalo, Newark and Philadelphia – haven't elected a Republican mayor for more than a half-century. On top of this, in many of these cities, blacks are mayors, often they dominate city councils, and they are chiefs of police and superintendents of schools.

In 1965, there were no blacks in the U.S. Senate, nor were there any black governors. And only six members of the House of Representatives were black. As of 2019, there is far greater representation in some areas – 52 House members are black. Nine black Americans have served in the Senate, including Edward W. Brooke of Massachusetts, Carol Moseley Braun and Barack Obama of Illinois, Tim Scott of South Carolina, Cory Booker of New Jersey, and Kamala Harris of California. In recent times, there have been three black state governors. The bottom line is that today's black Americans have significant political power at all levels of government. Yet, what has that meant for a large segment of the black population?

Democratic-controlled cities have the poorest-quality public education despite their large, and growing, school budgets. Consider Baltimore, Maryland. In 2016, in 13 of Baltimore's 39 high schools, not a single student scored proficient on the state's math exam. In six other high schools, only 1% tested proficient in math. Only 15% of Baltimore students passed the state's English test. That same year in Philadelphia only 19% of eighth-graders scored proficient in math, and 16% were proficient in reading. In Detroit, only 4% of its eighth-graders scored proficient in math, and 7% were proficient in reading. It's the same story of academic disaster in other cities run by Democrats.

Violent crime and poor education is not the only problem for Democratic-controlled cities. Because of high crime, poor schools and a less pleasant environment; cities are losing their economic base and their most productive people in droves. When World War II ended, the population of Washington, D.C., was about 800,000; today, it's about 700,000. In 1950, Baltimore's population was almost 950,000; today, it's around 590,000. Detroit's 1950 population was close to 1.85 million; today, it's down to 673,000. The population of Camden, New Jersey, in 1950 was nearly 125,000; today it has fallen to 74,000. St. Louis' 1950 population was more than 856,000; today, it's less than 294,000. A similar story of population decline can be found in most of our formerly large and prosperous cities. In some cities, the population decline since 1950 is well over 50%, and that includes Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Academic liberals, civil rights advocates and others blamed the exodus on racism – "white flight" to the suburbs to avoid blacks. But blacks have been fleeing some cities at higher rates than whites. The five cities whose suburbs have the fastest-growing black populations are Miami, Dallas, Washington, Houston and Atlanta. It turns out that blacks, like whites, want better and safer schools for their kids and don't like to be mugged or have their property vandalized. And like white people, if they have the means, black people cannot wait to leave troubled cities.

White liberals and black politicians focus most of their attention on what the police do, but how relevant is that to the overall tragedy? According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides, with blacks being the primary victims. That comes to one shooting victim every three hours and one homicide victim every 15 hours. Three people in Chicago have been killed by police. If one is truly concerned about black deaths, shootings by police should figure way down on one's list – which is not to excuse bad behavior by some police officers.

 

[bukka]

NAAWP have a right to assemble also. As does the Ku Klux Klan. As does any white supremacy organization. Wouldn't you agree.

Yet they are always met with counter protestors who are blacks and minorities who want to infringe on their right to protest.

So, what makes you, being black, so special that you are given a free ride. And a free ride is what you want.

Stranger

There is the right to counter protest, Stranger. It doesn't infringe on the right to protest. It merely indicates that one protest may be met or protested about by another protest from a different group. That is the working of democracy. There are no free rides in civil rights. Everyone pays for it one way or another if rights are infringed. You should have no sense of grievance in this.

 

[Stranger]

There is the right to counter protest, Stranger. It doesn't infringe on the right to protest. It merely indicates that one protest may be met or protested about by another protest from a different group. That is the working of democracy. There are no free rides in civil rights. Everyone pays for it one way or another if rights are infringed. You should have no sense of grievance in this.

It does infringe on the right to protest. We are not a democracy, as much as you blacks would want us to be.

The right to protest means you are protected in the protest. Such protections are not given when a counter protest is allowed to have it's way.

If you don't want any free rides, why do you keep advocating for free rides. First it is equality. Then affirmative action. What is Affirmative Action? A free ride.

Blacks don't want to be equal. Equality is against them. They need affirmative action. They need a free ride.

Stranger

 

[bukka]

It does infringe on the right to protest. We are not a democracy, as much as you blacks would want us to be.

This is a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people". I disagree about that, Stranger.

The right to protest means you are protected in the protest. Such protections are not given when a counter protest is allowed to have it's way.

On the contrary, both protests are protected under the constitution. The protests may need to be kept separated to prevent any trouble.

If you don't want any free rides, why do you keep advocating for free rides. First it is equality. Then affirmative action. What is Affirmative Action? A free ride.

Blacks don't want to be equal. Equality is against them. They need affirmative action. They need a free ride.

Stranger

They need equality and the need to redress past grievances. However you may disagree with it, the debt of past sins must be paid one way or the other. I'm sorry about this, but this is the divine law of things. If we have loved others as ourselves, the debt of sin would have been much less in this country. Please consider God's love. He can free you from your anger and make you a happier person.

 

[Stranger]

This is a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people". I disagree about that, Stranger.



On the contrary, both protests are protected under the constitution. The protests may need to be kept separated to prevent any trouble.



They need equality and the need to redress past grievances. However you may disagree with it, the debt of past sins must be paid one way or the other. I'm sorry about this, but this is the divine law of things. If we have loved others as ourselves, the debt of sin would have been much less in this country. Please consider God's love. He can free you from your anger and make you a happier person.

You disagree all you want. We are not a democracy. Blacks would love us to be a democracy therefore they could riot and raise hell and say government by the people. We are a Republic. A Representative Government. I realize that may be more than you can handle, but study up.

More bs. They are not kept separated. When NAAWP, or KU Klux Klan, or any white supremacist group protests, the counter protesters are allowe in the same vicinity, to intimidate and stop the protest. That is not a freedom to protest.

Oh, I see. The 'debt of divine law' means there is no equaity. It means giving the blacks a free ride. Gotcha. This is why your pseudo spiritual christianity does not affect me whatsoever. I can see through your game.

Stranger

 

[bukka]

You disagree all you want. We are not a democracy. Blacks would love us to be a democracy therefore they could riot and raise hell and say government by the people. We are a Republic. A Representative Government. I realize that may be more than you can handle, but study up.

A representative government is a democracy, Stranger. A republic, a representative government is the form that the democracy takes. I've studied up. The right to assemble and to seek redress of grievances is guaranteed by the constitution. The BLM protesters are not to be confused with the rioters who only wanted to gain unlawful advantage during the time of the protest.

More bs. They are not kept separated. When NAAWP, or KU Klux Klan, or any white supremacist group protests, the counter protesters are allowe in the same vicinity, to intimidate and stop the protest. That is not a freedom to protest.

The distance between the protesters is set by the police, not by the protest groups. If, sometimes, they are too close, the protest leaders can seek to have the protests separate further.

Oh, I see. The 'debt of divine law' means there is no equaity. It means giving the blacks a free ride. Gotcha. This is why your pseudo spiritual christianity does not affect me whatsoever. I can see through your game.

Stranger

I spoke of the debt of sin, not the debt of divine law. As you sow, so shall you reap. If some persons wreck a community by oppressing others, the debt, spiritually and financially, must, invariably be repaid, one way or the other. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Jesus didn't sugar-coat that. Why not come to Christ?

 

[Stranger]

A representative government is a democracy, Stranger. A republic, a representative government is the form that the democracy takes. I've studied up. The right to assemble and to seek redress of grievances is guaranteed by the constitution. The BLM protesters are not to be confused with the rioters who only wanted to gain unlawful advantage during the time of the protest.



The distance between the protesters is set by the police, not by the protest groups. If, sometimes, they are too close, the protest leaders can seek to have the protests separate further.



I spoke of the debt of sin, not the debt of divine law. As you sow, so shall you reap. If some persons wreck a community by oppressing others, the debt, spiritually and financially, must, invariably be repaid, one way or the other. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Jesus didn't sugar-coat that. Why not come to Christ?

No it isn't. Democracy is rule by the masses. We are rule by representatives. Again, study more.

The BLM are just what they are seen to be. Black lives matter. No one else lives matter. Blacks only.

The key to freedom to protest is to allow the freedom to protest. Not to intimidate through counter protest. In cities where the large population is black the police will ignore this separation and allow the black counter protestors to threaten the white protestors. Such a love for Jesus they have.

What debt of sin are you talking about? Bringing uncivilized blacks to civilization for your future families? Seems to me you owe us for that. Instead, you bi***.

Yeah, don't forget that 'as you sow, so shall you reap'. Blacks are at this time running amuck because there is still law and order. Wait till law and order is removed, which is what is being done. Then we will see 'so shall ye reap'.

You blacks are shi***g in your own bird nest.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I heard an odd thing on the internet a couple of years ago, Giuliano. It's no longer on the internet. They say that Trump is so pure and holy, that he is a man who doesn't need to use toilet paper, and that this was first observed when he was at the university. Given how much Trump is idolized by his adoring base, is there any truth to this? They seem to worship him as a kind of god. Because of this, is he really beyond the rules of morality? I disagree, of course, with his handling of the recent riots.

I'm very skeptical about the man, myself. I think that Christians should walk "in spirit and in truth".

I don't think that anyone idolise Trump at all.

 

[bukka]

No it isn't. Democracy is rule by the masses. We are rule by representatives. Again, study more.

A representative government is a democracy, Stranger. A republic, a representative government is the form that the democracy takes. I've studied up. The right to assemble and to seek redress of grievances is guaranteed by the constitution. The BLM protesters are not to be confused with the rioters who only wanted to gain unlawful advantage during the time of the protest.

The BLM are just what they are seen to be. Black lives matter. No one else lives matter. Blacks only.

No Stranger, all lives matter. If black lives don't matter, all lives don't matter as well. As Jesus says, we must love others as we wish to be loved. Anything less than this dehumanizes all of us.

The key to freedom to protest is to allow the freedom to protest. Not to intimidate through counter protest. In cities where the large population is black the police will ignore this separation and allow the black counter protestors to threaten the white protestors. Such a love for Jesus they have.

The right to assemble for a redress of grievances is accorded to all citizens. This allows for counter protests.

What debt of sin are you talking about? Bringing uncivilized blacks to civilization for your future families? Seems to me you owe us for that. Instead, you bi***.

Jesus says, as you sow, so shall you reap. If you sow spiritual and financial ruin upon others, so shall you reap. The debt of sin in all this must be paid, both spiritually and financially, in the end. Jesus doesn't sugar coat this.

Yeah, don't forget that 'as you sow, so shall you reap'. Blacks are at this time running amuck because there is still law and order. Wait till law and order is removed, which is what is being done. Then we will see 'so shall ye reap'.

You blacks are shi***g in your own bird nest.

Stranger

It's like I said, Stranger. Such hatred can never bring you happiness. Why not come to Christ?

 

[bukka]

I don't think that anyone idolise Trump at all.

I thought so too, Reggie, but Trump does have a lot of support in America. Many think of him as some kind of "anointed" leader, which is something that I find strange.

 

[Stranger]

A representative government is a democracy, Stranger. A republic, a representative government is the form that the democracy takes. I've studied up. The right to assemble and to seek redress of grievances is guaranteed by the constitution. The BLM protesters are not to be confused with the rioters who only wanted to gain unlawful advantage during the time of the protest.



No Stranger, all lives matter. If black lives don't matter, all lives don't matter as well. As Jesus says, we must love others as we wish to be loved. Anything less than this dehumanizes all of us.



The right to assemble for a redress of grievances is accorded to all citizens. This allows for counter protests.



Jesus says, as you sow, so shall you reap. If you sow spiritual and financial ruin upon others, so shall you reap. The debt of sin in all this must be paid, both spiritually and financially, in the end. Jesus doesn't sugar coat this.



It's like I said, Stranger. Such hatred can never bring you happiness. Why not come to Christ?

That is a lie and a distinction that you want to make but isn't there. The BLM movement is just what is taking place. Rioting and destruction, and attention only on black lives.

Again, we are not a democracy. You must be studying black history. Try real history.

Again, if your so concerned about Jesus and that all lives matter, why are you pushing Black Lives Matter. Forget about black lives and just preach the Gospel.

Counter protests do not allow for free speech.

Yes , as you sow so shall ye reap. And you blacks are sowing at this time, removing law and order. And when it is gone, 'as you sow so shall ye reap'. You think blacks are stronger because whites are trying to be obedient to the law. When you have removed the law, then we are free to do what we think is right. And then you will reap what you have sowed. And we will not forget the bull**** you have pushed on society.

Stranger

 

[bukka]

That is a lie and a distinction that you want to make but isn't there. The BLM movement is just what is taking place. Rioting and destruction, and attention only on black lives.

Again, we are not a democracy. You must be studying black history. Try real history.

Again, if your so concerned about Jesus and that all lives matter, why are you pushing Black Lives Matter. Forget about black lives and just preach the Gospel.

Counter protests do not allow for free speech.

Yes , as you sow so shall ye reap. And you blacks are sowing at this time, removing law and order. And when it is gone, 'as you sow so shall ye reap'. You think blacks are stronger because whites are trying to be obedient to the law. When you have removed the law, then we are free to do what we think is right. And then you will reap what you have sowed. And we will not forget the bull**** you have pushed on society.

Stranger

I have answered all these things. I will not trouble you further.

 

[Stranger]

I have answered all these things. I will not trouble you further.

You have answered nothing.

Stranger

 

[Brakelite]

Thank you for your post, marks. Trump is deeply venerated by many of his followers as another "christ" or "anointed one". I was just wondering again how far that veneration goes. If someone thinks that Trump is a "christ", they may ascribe this thing about toileting and many other miracles to him. I suppose further stories are floating around.

I do have an agenda. I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again. I want the idols of hatred, selfishness, anarchy, and false "christs" be cast aside.

I thank you, marks, for your wondering. I appreciate thoughtfulness and kindness where-ever I encounter it. Thanks again!

I would not go so far as to suggest that Trump is worshipped, nevertheless I believe that in the beginning he beguiled the conservative right beginning with the tea party and then extended his popularity through the b church at large. I wrote this recently on another thread.....

Trump has done a few things... Said a few things... Smiled at the right people... Growled at the right people... To create an atmosphere that makes him appear to be anti establishment... Anti globalist... With promises to drain swamps and lock people up. But he hasn't. In fact, he's done the opposite. He has aligned himself with those at the very top of the globalist food chain and running with the wolves.

... And I think that through his promises, the most spectacular being the one that promised the church "power" , the Christian right was deceived into thinking that maybe God is going to work through this man to bring about the righteousness this nation so desperately needs.
This i have thought from the beginning was a mistake. Like I said, maybe not worship, but certainly there was a burden place upon Trump he was neither prepared nor spiritually mature enough to carry. In this I think that perhaps he would be the first to admit his need it help in spiritusl matters and this has surrounded himself with a coterie of advisors not many of whom are any more prepared or spiritually mature to lead the nation than he the question does raise itself in my mind and I haven't seen anything to will my fears... Has Trump, and/or those he serves scammed the Christian vote to continue the globalist agendas under the guise of a counterfeit facade?