Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

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Picture this in your mind if you will, the scene at Matthew 13:55-57
Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Matthew 13:56 "And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Matthew 13:57 "And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

note what the scriptures said, is this not the carpenter's son? identifying Joseph who was not there physically, and his mother “called” Mary, meaning she was not there either physically present, now watch this, and his “BRETHREN” ….. who was present, now the question is this, is this his brethren by blood of the same Parent Morther or father or meaning kin? like in a cousin or cousins. if so this leaves the door open to the other James of Zebedee as the Lord's brother.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

And on occasion - Jesus is mentioned where Mary is . . .
John 2:1-2
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

Thanks for sharing A well known occasion Jesus and Mary were at the same place.
Would you like to share every time they were in the same company?

 

[BreadOfLife]

first thanks for the reply, and that's the problem. can you or anyone give an example of two females in a family having the same name, or the same first name?. if so please give verse or site the reference.

thanks.

PICJAG.

No.
From what I have read, that is against Jewish custom to name 2 children with the same name.

 

[BreadOfLife]

now may I suggest something, if not uterine, then is this the Mary here, Matthew 27:56 is the same Mary that's Jesus Mother, "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and Mary the mother of Zebedee's children.

PICJAG.

No.

If you compare ALL of the accounts of the Crucifixion - there are THREE Marys:
1. Mary, mother of Jesus
2. Mary, her "sister", mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's not what said was creepy. It was the part about her being married to God.

Ahhh . . .

I don't find that creepy, but I understand.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Any way I thought the Catholic church at one time taught Jesus didn't even pass through the birth canal, because that would be too unholy. They add a lot of baggage to the virginal birth and Mary that just isn't in scripture.

This was never a teaching of the Church - but an opinion of some, like Augustine, if I'm not mistaken.
The church didn't add any "baggage" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thanks for sharing A well known occasion Jesus and Mary were at the same place.
Would you like to share every time they were in the same company?

No need.
Just making a point that this was an occasion where Mary was the subject and Jesus was "also" there.

 

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@BreadOfLife
Picture this in your mind if you will, the scene at Matthew 13:55-57
Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Matthew 13:56 "And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Matthew 13:57 "And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

note what the scriptures said, is this not the carpenter's son? identifying Joseph who was not there physically, and his mother “called” Mary, meaning she was not there either physically present, now watch this, and his “BRETHREN” ….. who was present, now the question is this, is this his brethren by blood of the same Parent Morther or father or meaning kin? like in a cousin or cousins. if so this leaves the door open to the other James of Zebedee as the Lord's brother.

PICJAG.

As we have already discussed, "Adelpos" can be used for uterine brother, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, nephew, neighbor, fellow countryman, fellow believer, etc.

CONTEXT is always key.

It's also interesting to note that for ALL of the times this term is used in the NT - a very small percentage of the time it is used for uterine sibling.

244 instances are cases where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT – 41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.

47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.

256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling.

 

[Pearl]

Matthew 1:25 (NIVUK)
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Matthew 1:25 (NLT)
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

That's clear enough for me.

 

[101G]

No.

If you compare ALL of the accounts of the Crucifixion - there are THREE Marys:
1. Mary, mother of Jesus
2. Mary, her "sister", mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys . . .

first thanks for the reply, I must disagree, here's why, Matthew 27:55 "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:

Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

now where is Jesus mother if the Mary in Red is his Mother, then who is the Mother Zebedee's children? and please don't say it's Salome. or give chapter and verse.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

As we have already discussed, "Adelpos" can be used for uterine brother, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, nephew, neighbor, fellow countryman, fellow believer, etc.

CONTEXT is always key.

It's also interesting to note that for ALL of the times this term is used in the NT - a very small percentage of the time it is used for uterine sibling.

244 instances are cases where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT – 41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.

47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.

256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling.

First thanks for the reply, but you missed my point, the sence there is of KIN, by blood, these children with our Lord Jesus here is from Mary the wife of Alphaeu. so that want work.

PICJAG.

 

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First thanks for the reply, but you missed my point, the sence there is of KIN, by blood, these children with our Lord Jesus here is from Mary the wife of Alphaeu. so that want work.

PICJAG.

Alphaeus is Hebrew name and is rendered in Greek as "Clopas".
So, there - your problem is solved. Mary, wife of Clopas/Alphaeus, who is said to be the mother of Joses and James the younger in Mark's Gospel.

 

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first thanks for the reply, I must disagree, here's why, Matthew 27:55 "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:

Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

now where is Jesus mother if the Mary in Red is his Mother, then who is the Mother Zebedee's children? and please don't say it's Salome. or give chapter and verse.

PICJAG.

Wrong.
As I showed you - John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

That's THREE Marys:
1. Mary, mother of Jesus
2. Mary, her "sister", mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

What are you NOT understanding??

 

[101G]

Alphaeus is Hebrew name and is rendered in Greek as "Clopas".
So, there - your problem is solved. Mary, wife of Clopas/Alphaeus, who is said to be the mother of Joses and James the younger in Mark's Gospel.

thanks for the reply, no, it's not solved, this I already knew. Cleophas or Alphaeus; which are not the names of two persons, nor two names of one and the same person, but one and the same name differently pronounced; his true name in Hebrew was חלפי, or חלפאי, or חילפי, "Chelphi", or "Chelphai", or "Chilphi"

Mary the wife of Alphaeus = James the less and of Joses

Mary the Mother of the children of Zebedee = Jesus uterine, and James (the greater) also uterine. same MOTHER

Clearly this seperates the two women, Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

now that's the closer. Mary the Mother of Jesus is the Mother of Zebedee son JAMES.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Wrong.
As I showed you - John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

That's THREE Marys:
1. Mary, mother of Jesus
2. Mary, her "sister", mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

What are you NOT understanding??

thanks for the reply, but the Mary the wife of Clopas is Identified. now who is the Mother of Zebedee son "JAMES?"

Please answer.

PICJAG.

 

[Renniks]

This was never a teaching of the Church - but an opinion of some, like Augustine, if I'm not mistaken.
The church didn't add any "baggage" . . .

Lol, only the assumption, Mary as the queen of heaven, praying in her name, and perpetual virginity, none of which is in scripture. Pretty sure I missed a few too

 

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thanks for the reply, no, it's not solved, this I already knew. Cleophas or Alphaeus; which are not the names of two persons, nor two names of one and the same person, but one and the same name differently pronounced; his true name in Hebrew was חלפי, or חלפאי, or חילפי, "Chelphi", or "Chelphai", or "Chilphi"

Mary the wife of Alphaeus = James the less and of Joses

Mary the Mother of the children of Zebedee = Jesus uterine, and James (the greater) also uterine. same MOTHER

Clearly this seperates the two women, Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

now that's the closer. Mary the Mother of Jesus is the Mother of Zebedee son JAMES.

PICJAG.

WRONG again.
Salome is the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John.

The Three Marys have already been spoken for.

 

[BreadOfLife]

thanks for the reply, but the Mary the wife of Clopas is Identified. now who is the Mother of Zebedee son "JAMES?"

Please answer.

PICJAG.

Salome.

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.

 

[101G]

Salome.

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.

first thanks for the reply, second, NO THOSE VERSE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SALONE BEING JAMES MOTHER, TRY AGAIN.

I have read those incorrect commentaries, they ONLY ASUME THAT, that's conjecture on their part I hope you don't believe that.

so try again.

PICJAG.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol, only the assumption, Mary as the queen of heaven, praying in her name, and perpetual virginity, none of which is in scripture. Pretty sure I missed a few too

Assumption (Rev. 12:1)
Queen of Heaven (1 Kings 2:19-20, Rev. 12:1)
Perpetual virginity (Luke 1:34)

Finally - NOBODY prays in Mary's name.
Anything else??