That sounds a little creepy. The Spirit didn't have a sexual relationship with Mary.
Who made her pregnant?
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That sounds a little creepy. The Spirit didn't have a sexual relationship with Mary.
The Holy Spirit did not have sexual relations with Mary. This was a divine miracle, not a human act.Who made her pregnant?
The Holy Spirit did not have sexual relations with Mary. This was a divine miracle, not a human act.
You are trying to reduce Mary and Joseph to an ordinary married couple in an ordinary marriage.
This was no such thing.
Mary was unique in all history.
As a couple they were the earthly parents of God incarnate.
Mary was the mother of God incarnate.
She has been chosen and sanctified to bear God.
There is not even evidence in scripture that they ever became married - only betrothed.
he was not just a surrogate mother that God borrowed from Joseph, used for his purposes and then handed back.
By becoming pregnant by the Holy Spirit she became the spouse of the Holy Spirit - a covenant relationship.
she became the spouse of the Holy Spirit - a covenant relationship.
How did I not answer your question?
Mt 1:25 says nothing Mary having sex after Jesus was born.
Until is a time marker, denoting up to a point in time. I think Illuminator has been through all this but I will go through it again for you.
The word until (or till) denotes a point in time up to which some action occurred. It does not mean that the action changed, only that there was something significant about that point in time. That point in time may be significant for reason other than a change in the action. What happened after that may be explicitly stated or may be inferred from the context, or may just be left unknown. To claim it always means the action changes is not valid and leads to absurdities.
Mt 1:25 cannot be used to prove that Mary had a sexual relationship with Joseph. To infer it is to claim what has yet to be proved.
Consider this line: "Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death" (2 Sam. 6:23 -).
Are we to assume therefore she had children after her death?
“There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived seven years with her husband after her marriage, and then as a widow until she was eighty-four.” Lk 2:36-37).
Does that imply she got married at the age of 84?
Jesus said to the Apostles “And remember, I am with you always, to (until) the end of the age.” (Mt 28:20).
Does that mean he won’t be with us after the end of the age?
"but to [until] this day no one knows the place of his [Moses] burial" (Deut 34:6)
Do we know the place of Moses burial?
"For he [Christ] must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet." (1Cor 15:25)
Will Christ stop reigning after he has put all his enemies under his feet?
"Until I arrive, attend to the reading, exhortation, and teaching."(1Tim 4:13)
After Paul arrives will Timothy stop reading, exhortation and teaching?
We know that all creation is groaning in labour pains even until now; (Rom 8:22)
Has creation stopped groaning?
"except that you must hold fast to what you have until I come." (Rev 2:25)
Do we stop holding fast after Christ comes?
"To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations."(Rev 2:26)
Do the victors stop keeping Christ’s ways at the end?
"keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1Tim 6:14)
Could Timothy stop keeping the commandments when Jesus appeared?
From the Concise OXford English Dictionary
until
n preposition & conjunction up to (the point in time or the event mentioned).
From the Collins Concise Dictionary says a little more:
until
1. up to (a time}
2. (used with a negative) before (a time of event)
Until is used to mark a period of time and says nothing about what happens outside that period of time.
Something happens, or does not happen from time point "A" until time point "B"
What happens after time point "B" we either:
1. simply do not know
2. infer from something else in the text
3. assume from the general context
And on occasion - Jesus is mentioned where Mary is . . .And from time to time, Mary is briefly mentioned, on occasion she is present where Jesus is.
Glory to God,
Taken
Let me explain to you WHY it's important - as ALL types and fulfillments in Scripture are important.Why are we even discussing this? It is not important. Our thinking will never be changed without the input and influence of the Holy Spirit, so perhaps we should all back off a bit and pray about it.
It's "creepy" that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary??That sounds a little creepy. The Spirit didn't have a sexual relationship with Mary.
Yes - this coming from a guy who repeatedly supports the abomination of abortion on this forum.Pearl, you are on the right track. Mungo, transparently, comes from the dark side, promoting his ideology of darkness.
Keep the Faith!
Unless you DON'T believe that Jesus is God - then Mary IS the Mother of God.And how can this dead woman be the mother of the eternal God, Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life?
Since NOBODY else has been able to show us the Chapter and Verse - maybe YOU can then . . .No!! The fact that Mary had other children, is a historical fact recorded many places in Scripture
And on occasion - Jesus is mentioned where Mary is . . .
John 2:1-2
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.
No, because it wasn't a marriage, they didn't become one flesh.It's "creepy" that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary??
I have looked into this - as have many experts.this is a very good and interesting verse, especially the verses when they left the wedding, scripture, John 2:12 "After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days". I wondered whay the Lord's "brethern" was NOT including his disciples. this term G80 ἀδελφός adelphos (a-d̮el-fos') n for "brother" is highly interesting. I had look at this before, but I'm looking at it using another dictionary which clearly shows how this term G80 ἀδελφός adelphos is used. I'm using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. and here is what it says,
[ 1,,G80, adelphos ]
denotes a brother, or near kinsman;" in the plural, "a community based on identity of origin or life." It is used of:
(1) male children of the same parents, Matt 1:2; Matt 14:3; (2) male descendants of the same parents, Acts 7:23, Acts 7:26; Heb 7:5; (3) male children of the same mother, Matt 13:55; 1Cor 9:5; Gal 1:19.
Galatians 1:19 states, "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother". in vines dictionary clearly has James the son of Zebedee in mind because of this,
Acts 12:1 "Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
Acts 12:2 "And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
Acts 12:3 "And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
only James that had a brother name John was of Zebedee. and if I'm right about, Matthew 27:55 & 56 "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: verse 56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children".
this then connect James to the Lord Jesus, because Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?".
two things to note: why call Mary his Mother? was this Mary not,his mother? and why used "brethren", to identify his "brothers?" in this way?
In all honesty look at this and the definition and tell me what you think. just research it first, and then tell us what you think honesty.
thanks in advance.
PICJAG.
She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.No, because it wasn't a marriage, they didn't become one flesh.
first thanks for the reply, and that's the problem. can you or anyone give an example of two females in a family having the same name, or the same first name?. if so please give verse or site the reference.I have looked into this - as have many experts.
The "other" Mary standing near the cross is clearly the mother of James and Joses, the "brethren of the Lord". She is also called the "wife of Clopas".
This other Mary is ALSO called the "sister" (Adelphe) of the mother of Jesus (Mary). We know that they can't be uterine sisters because they have the same name - so they are some other relation.
Therefore, these "brethren of the Lord" ore related to Jesus in some way - but NOT His uterine siblings.
now may I suggest something, if not uterine, then is this the Mary here, Matthew 27:56 is the same Mary that's Jesus Mother, "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and Mary the mother of Zebedee's children.I have looked into this - as have many experts.
The "other" Mary standing near the cross is clearly the mother of James and Joses, the "brethren of the Lord". She is also called the "wife of Clopas".
This other Mary is ALSO called the "sister" (Adelphe) of the mother of Jesus (Mary). We know that they can't be uterine sisters because they have the same name - so they are some other relation.
Therefore, these "brethren of the Lord" ore related to Jesus in some way - but NOT His uterine siblings.
That's not what said was creepy. It was the part about her being married to God.She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.
YOU stated that this was "creepy?
Why - if that Spirit was God?
Any way I thought the Catholic church at one time taught Jesus didn't even pass through the birth canal, because that would be too unholy. They add a lot of baggage to the virginal birth and Mary that just isn't in scripture.She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.
YOU stated that this was "creepy?
Why - if that Spirit was God?