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This past week the Glen Beck show was very interesting. There is treason, the overthrow of our financial system...resulting in the overthrow of our government, being planned and...it has begun. All part of the George Soros plan for a New World Order???

At a meeting of progressives and prominent labor leaders, one of the speakers at Case University in New York City was Steven Lerner. A visitor to the White House and former leader of the SEIU. (Union leaders are such patriotic individuals). He was the director of SEIU's Banking and Finance Campaign.

The plan is to destabilize the country through the banks...first on the list is J.P. Morgan Chase. How? Mr. Lerner said.....

"Big banks want stability and as unions are almost dead we need to destabilize, for example, 10% of homeowners are underwater and refuse to pay and refuse to leave their homes. If we could double that number, it would put banks on the edge of insolvency again....if we organize people to agree not to pay their mortgage it would literally cause financial crisis for the banks." He also brought up student loans.

The banks, the stock market...chaos, financial collapse. Their timing...."the first week in May."

Beck said that a Congressman (I don't remember his name) is now trying to do something to stop this. This is treason...will we see arrests?




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Whoever controls the money controls the economy.

It's like ex-Federal Reserve Chairman of the Board Allan Greenspan said in the 1960's. A gold standard gives protection against the welfare statists control of our nation's economy.

The Internationalist bankers took over our U.S. economy with the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A one-world currency has been part of their plan for decades. The Federal Reserve, which controls the U.S. money supply and our economy, is a 'private' banking institution. It pays taxes. It has never been a legal entity of U.S. Government.

The 1970's is when the Federal Reserve took up the Silver Certificates ending U.S. currency backed by a fractional gold standard. That's when U.S. currency became a total Fiat monetary policy (dollars printed backed by nothing). U.S. money became solely based on Debt paper. That means our money gets its start with U.S. Treasury notes, which is a debt paper, a Promisary Note to get the money out of taxpayers. No debt, no taxes, then no money supply.

What those financiers are doing today is but a drop in the bucket compared with the national debt the Federal Reserve fiat paper has caused.

It's impossible to pay off the national debt, since the money supply's existence depends on it.

This is why our nation's founders like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were so against the idea of Fiat paper money. Andrew Jackson fought against the New York bankers about it too.

A Texas senator a couple of years ago suggested legislation to watch over the Federal Reserve; that idea died out pretty quick. Most congressman and senators like the Fiat paper plan, as it guranteees funds for their pet projects to help get them relected.

Every time congress awards money for a project, or to a foreign country, or with bailing out huge corporations or banks like Chase Manhattan, the value of the dollar in our pockets becomes worth less. That is the REAL cause of 'inflation'. Add more paper money not backed by anything to the existing money supply, and the dollar loses value (buying power). So it's like Allan Greenspan said, it's a hidden tax on the American people.

Write your congressmen and senators. Tell them no more BAILOUTS! If huge corporations want to play that game, depending on influence and economic threat if congress doesn't bail them out, let 'em go down like the Titanic. The existing corporations and banks that want to play the bailout game will get the message, and be more careful about making dirty loans that create the reasons for bailouts.

How do bankers earn their revenues? By INTEREST payments on LOANS. They love... LOANS, the more the better, because that means MORE INTEREST MONEY COMING IN. The bigger LOANS the better too. And this little thing called the FDIC, it gurantees they'll get their interest when congress approves printing money out of thin air to back the FDIC bailing out their dirty loans! NOW do you understand why big banks like Chase Manhattan sends the poor all those credit cards? They'll even issue your dog one too if it means he'll use it!

The high finance schools teach that you can't get rich by savings, but only with credit, using other people's money! Don't let your personal home equity sit idle either, go take out another loan using it as collateral! Get a second mortgage and buy some more property, a new car, or boat, or vacation! The world is yours!, they would say. Once you get a bit of equity in that second property, go take out another loan using it as collateral! Build that debt up! Debt is good!! Oh, don't worry about going bankrupt. You can get a cut rate with your creditors, and after a while, you can do it again! Afterall, it was mostly other people's money you were using. That's how those in high finance think. It's nothing new. It began with the old goldsmith's principle...

In the day's of goldsmiths, folks that had no safe keeping place for their gold would bring it to goldsmith to put in their safe. The goldsmith would then issue a receipt. After a while, the goldsmith noticed the people would only regularly use about 10 % of their own gold kept in his safe. So the goldsmith began loaning the rest out to other people, with interest due. The goldsmiths learned that if they kept only 10% of other people's gold in the safe, while loaning 90% of it out, they would not run into problems. That 90% of other people's gold they called 'reserves'.

That goldsmith principle is STILL how banks operate today, including the Federal Reserve. The difference is it's no longer gold reserves, but a bookkeeping entry. The Fed sets the reserve rate percentage that banks must keep on hand in their safe. EVERY time a loan is paid back to the bank, they are allowed to call that reserves, and use the 90% - 10% goldsmith rule again, making another book entry to the good. THAT means creating money out of thin air just with a book entry to call it reserves. Then they loan 90% of that back out. They're allowed to do that until the percentage gets down to 10%, or whatever rate the Fed sets.

THAT is why George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Andie Jackson were so opposed to Fiat paper money not backed by a gold standard. The government is not only allowing money printing out of thin air for bailouts and gov. projects, but ALSO banks are allowed to create money too, simply by a book keeping entry!

All the other financial stuff in the news today is eye-candy; designed to get our attention off of the real cause of our failing U.S. dollar.


 

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Revelation 13:7 (NKJV)
[sup]7 [/sup] And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Luke 21:28 (NKJV)
[sup]28 [/sup]Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.
 

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This past week the Glen Beck show was very interesting. There is treason, the overthrow of our financial system...resulting in the overthrow of our government, being planned and...it has begun. All part of the George Soros plan for a New World Order???

At a meeting of progressives and prominent labor leaders, one of the speakers at Case University in New York City was Steven Lerner. A visitor to the White House and former leader of the SEIU. (Union leaders are such patriotic individuals). He was the director of SEIU's Banking and Finance Campaign.

The plan is to destabilize the country through the banks...first on the list is J.P. Morgan Chase. How? Mr. Lerner said.....

"Big banks want stability and as unions are almost dead we need to destabilize, for example, 10% of homeowners are underwater and refuse to pay and refuse to leave their homes. If we could double that number, it would put banks on the edge of insolvency again....if we organize people to agree not to pay their mortgage it would literally cause financial crisis for the banks." He also brought up student loans.

The banks, the stock market...chaos, financial collapse. Their timing...."the first week in May."

Beck said that a Congressman (I don't remember his name) is now trying to do something to stop this. This is treason...will we see arrests?

Glen Beck's program is "the fusion between entertainment and information". Remember the entertainment part.

I watch the program from time to time as I have determined that it's a good idea to hear an intelligent conservative voice now and again. Too much liberal rhetoric is not good for the soul. However, neither side of the aisle is adept at describing the full extent of governmental usurpation of power.

For example, for all of Mr. Beck's honesty and sincerity, and I'm not slighting him or your quote here, he often leaves things out.
One of the biggest biases Beck has is the acceptance of American militarism as a good thing. It isn't.

That's rather odd, because one cannot get the 'big picture' of America without an accurate review of the Pentagon and it's relationship to American industry and American financial institutions. In January of 1960 in his final address to the nation, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned of the danger of the influence of the military industrial complex. President Eisenhower coined the phrase 'military industrial complex'. He had good reason to give warning.

Back in 1947 the National Security Act created the National Security council (and the CIA). The congressional act effectively usurped constitutional power into the hands of the executive branch. The act took effect in 1948, and from the administration of President Harry Truman, who signed it into law, until this day NO military action has been legal. According to the uS Constitution only an act of Congress can declare and justify a war. The current military action in Libya is a good example, Executive power has gone so far that congress isn't even consulted any more. Have you heard congressmen fuss about it? Fuss all you want, guys. You gave away your legitimate power a long time ago. Today the Pentagon rules.

Many pundits, except Mr. Beck of course, agree that the Pentagon is now a second government in America and that it is beyond civilian control. Do you doubt it? Look beyond the media 'analysis' that tells you what to think and do a little cerebral exercise for yourself. Congress no longer has anything whatsoever to do with military actions. They are expected only to rubber stamp Pentagon requests for money. And so they do, in the name of patriotism. It is now almost illegal to say or do anything which is in opposition to the definition of militaristic 'patriotism'. One cannot even call into question those things which are done or planned.

My community had a parade this past Saturday. In the middle of the parade a convoy of military vehicles drove down Main Street amid the cheers and flag waving of those who came to watch. I found it extremely disgusting. We are now involved in THREE WARS and nobody raises a serious objection to it at all. That includes Mr. Beck.

That we are being lied to is pretty much accepted by most. Who cares? Nobody in this country, that's for sure. The parties who are doing the lying are legion. One of groups is the pentagon. No accurate interpretation of current events can be complete without including the dangerous, UNpatriotic and seditious actions of the military industrial complex, which includes our financial institutions.

War is good business, boys and girls. Invest your sons and daughters. Their sacrifice will make the bankers and industrialists rich and the generals even more powerful. Look around and watch the united States, folks. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW ROME FELL.
 

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My community had a parade this past Saturday. In the middle of the parade a convoy of military vehicles drove down Main Street amid the cheers and flag waving of those who came to watch. I found it extremely disgusting. We are now involved in THREE WARS and nobody raises a serious objection to it at all. That includes Mr. Beck.



I don't find it disgusting at all. :)

You are mistaken for he has mentioned that we are involved in three wars and the danger it entails.

Presently Beck has quite a bit on his plate. Taking on the pentagon may be asking a little too much of him.


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Revelation 13:7 (NKJV)
[sup]7 [/sup] And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Luke 21:28 (NKJV)
[sup]28 [/sup]Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.



Those are two wonderful verses that apply to this topic....thank you.


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Whoever controls the money controls the economy.

It's like ex-Federal Reserve Chairman of the Board Allan Greenspan said in the 1960's. A gold standard gives protection against the welfare statists control of our nation's economy.

The Internationalist bankers took over our U.S. economy with the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A one-world currency has been part of their plan for decades. The Federal Reserve, which controls the U.S. money supply and our economy, is a 'private' banking institution. It pays taxes. It has never been a legal entity of U.S. Government.

The 1970's is when the Federal Reserve took up the Silver Certificates ending U.S. currency backed by a fractional gold standard. That's when U.S. currency became a total Fiat monetary policy (dollars printed backed by nothing). U.S. money became solely based on Debt paper. That means our money gets its start with U.S. Treasury notes, which is a debt paper, a Promisary Note to get the money out of taxpayers. No debt, no taxes, then no money supply.

What those financiers are doing today is but a drop in the bucket compared with the national debt the Federal Reserve fiat paper has caused.

It's impossible to pay off the national debt, since the money supply's existence depends on it.




I read a few days ago that should all of us be taxed at 100%...we could still not pay off the debt. :eek: And still they spend.



This is why our nation's founders like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were so against the idea of Fiat paper money. Andrew Jackson fought against the New York bankers about it too.

A Texas senator a couple of years ago suggested legislation to watch over the Federal Reserve; that idea died out pretty quick. Most congressman and senators like the Fiat paper plan, as it guranteees funds for their pet projects to help get them relected.

Every time congress awards money for a project, or to a foreign country, or with bailing out huge corporations or banks like Chase Manhattan, the value of the dollar in our pockets becomes worth less. That is the REAL cause of 'inflation'. Add more paper money not backed by anything to the existing money supply, and the dollar loses value (buying power). So it's like Allan Greenspan said, it's a hidden tax on the American people.

Write your congressmen and senators. Tell them no more BAILOUTS! If huge corporations want to play that game, depending on influence and economic threat if congress doesn't bail them out, let 'em go down like the Titanic. The existing corporations and banks that want to play the bailout game will get the message, and be more careful about making dirty loans that create the reasons for bailouts.

How do bankers earn their revenues? By INTEREST payments on LOANS. They love... LOANS, the more the better, because that means MORE INTEREST MONEY COMING IN. The bigger LOANS the better too. And this little thing called the FDIC, it gurantees they'll get their interest when congress approves printing money out of thin air to back the FDIC bailing out their dirty loans! NOW do you understand why big banks like Chase Manhattan sends the poor all those credit cards? They'll even issue your dog one too if it means he'll use it!

The high finance schools teach that you can't get rich by savings, but only with credit, using other people's money! Don't let your personal home equity sit idle either, go take out another loan using it as collateral! Get a second mortgage and buy some more property, a new car, or boat, or vacation! The world is yours!, they would say. Once you get a bit of equity in that second property, go take out another loan using it as collateral! Build that debt up! Debt is good!! Oh, don't worry about going bankrupt. You can get a cut rate with your creditors, and after a while, you can do it again! Afterall, it was mostly other people's money you were using. That's how those in high finance think. It's nothing new. It began with the old goldsmith's principle...



Gimme, gimme, gimme....I want, I want, I want. We're taught to trust in Egypt and all it's riches. He asks us to leave it behind, "Come out of her My people."


2 Kings 18:21 Now, behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt, on which if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt unto all that trust on him.​



In the day's of goldsmiths, folks that had no safe keeping place for their gold would bring it to goldsmith to put in their safe. The goldsmith would then issue a receipt. After a while, the goldsmith noticed the people would only regularly use about 10 % of their own gold kept in his safe. So the goldsmith began loaning the rest out to other people, with interest due. The goldsmiths learned that if they kept only 10% of other people's gold in the safe, while loaning 90% of it out, they would not run into problems. That 90% of other people's gold they called 'reserves'.

That goldsmith principle is STILL how banks operate today, including the Federal Reserve. The difference is it's no longer gold reserves, but a bookkeeping entry. The Fed sets the reserve rate percentage that banks must keep on hand in their safe. EVERY time a loan is paid back to the bank, they are allowed to call that reserves, and use the 90% - 10% goldsmith rule again, making another book entry to the good. THAT means creating money out of thin air just with a book entry to call it reserves. Then they loan 90% of that back out. They're allowed to do that until the percentage gets down to 10%, or whatever rate the Fed sets.



That was VERY interesting!


THAT is why George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Andie Jackson were so opposed to Fiat paper money not backed by a gold standard. The government is not only allowing money printing out of thin air for bailouts and gov. projects, but ALSO banks are allowed to create money too, simply by a book keeping entry!

All the other financial stuff in the news today is eye-candy; designed to get our attention off of the real cause of our failing U.S. dollar.




Thank you for this reply Veteran. :)


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I am not a fan of Barak Obama at all.

But Qaddafi promised to go "house to house" to eliminate those that oppose him, using aircraft, tanks, etc.

At what rate would these people have died if the coalition had not stepped in? Hundreds per day? Thousands?

In Rwanda 800,000 people were killed over roughly a 100 day period because of inactivity by the UN and US.

President Clinton called the roughly 8000 a day who were killed his "greatest regret."

More people died during any 24 period of those 100 days than US soldiers have died in both Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

We obviously can't be the world's peacekeepers. If Syria/Yemen/China/Iran begin the overt slaughter of their people there is little we can do (Tienneman Square showed that).

But this is someplace we can intervene that (I hope) won't last long or cost US lives.
 

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Glen Beck is an idiot - Jon Stewart has proven it so many times it is tiring....

And even if what Beck is saying was true for 5 minutes.....so what?

A warning implies that we can do something about it- if it is the end times what are we supposed to do about it? Until then, keep listening to a Mormon.......
 

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Those are two wonderful verses that apply to this topic....thank you.

Here's another.

"To ignore evil is to become an accomplice to it."
- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.


US lives? What's the diff?


The 'diff' is that all the uprisings in the middle east and in North Africa were engineered by the uS and European powers. We create trouble and then benefit from the result. The result is already obvious in that the power structure of the entire region has been upset in the last six months.

Would you risk your life on the 'diff' so that politicans, generals and investors can profit by it? This is nuts.
 

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The 'diff' is that all the uprisings in the middle east and in North Africa were engineered by the uS and European powers. We create trouble and then benefit from the result. The result is already obvious in that the power structure of the entire region has been upset in the last six months.

Would you risk your life on the 'diff' so that politicans, generals and investors can profit by it? This is nuts.
Of course it is "nuts". The world has gone mad and getting worse, just as Jesus said it would.
 

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Glen Beck is an idiot - Jon Stewart has proven it so many times it is tiring....

And even if what Beck is saying was true for 5 minutes.....so what?

A warning implies that we can do something about it- if it is the end times what are we supposed to do about it? Until then, keep listening to a Mormon.......



Seeing your reply next to your tag line about "hate" gives one a bit of a jolt. Sort of hateful remark...don't ya' think? :(


You say Beck is "an idiot" as proven by...a comedian? :lol:


Just so you realize, whether or not you like him, he always proves what he tells us. Usually from recordings...the words of the men themselves. So, I know it is true. Would it not be better for those that dislike him to find just one instance where anyone, including the comedian Jon Stewert, has ever disproved what Beck says? Ever? I know he's made fun of, ridiculed, laughed at, scorned but...proven wrong? Not yet as far as I know. He's speaking truth....have ye not heard?


The warning does indeed imply we can do something about it. Perhaps we could change things or maybe it would be no more than being prepared for what is coming.




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Seeing your reply next to your tag line about "hate" gives one a bit of a jolt. Sort of hateful remark...don't ya' think? :(


You say Beck is "an idiot" as proven by...a comedian? :lol:


Just so you realize, whether or not you like him, he always proves what he tells us. Usually from recordings...the words of the men themselves. So, I know it is true. Would it not be better for those that dislike him to find just one instance where anyone, including the comedian Jon Stewert, has ever disproved what Beck says? Ever? I know he's made fun of, ridiculed, laughed at, scorned but...proven wrong? Not yet as far as I know. He's speaking truth....have ye not heard?


The warning does indeed imply we can do something about it. Perhaps we could change things or maybe it would be no more than being prepared for what is coming.




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Beck isn't a hater - he is an idiot. And the is the point isn't it? Even a comedian points out Becks illogic statements. I love watching him write a word on his board and then break it down - each letter revealing a secret plot! Especially when he misspells the word in the first place.!
 

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Beck isn't a hater - he is an idiot. And the is the point isn't it? Even a comedian points out Becks illogic statements. I love watching him write a word on his board and then break it down - each letter revealing a secret plot! Especially when he misspells the word in the first place.!



I didn't say Beck was a hater...I know he isn't, nor is he an "idiot." I said YOUR REMARK about him was hateful. I found it odd as it was sitting right above.....

I Love Haters.. because if you don't love haters you're just a hater too... haha - Robbie


I don't understand you believing there are "illogic statements" from Beck. Please provide proof....as he provides proof of his statements.


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I didn't say Beck was a hater...I know he isn't, nor is he an "idiot." I said YOUR REMARK about him was hateful. I found it odd as it was sitting right above.....




I don't understand you believing there are "illogic statements" from Beck. Please provide proof....as he provides proof of his statements.


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One of thousands

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908270038

 

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Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
[sup]22 [/sup]But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Congratulations Ducky! This is the first time I have ever seen you use a verse that doesn't use the exactly wording.......you're letting my down! I have come to know you to be much more concrete! Well, I guess I will have to play your role in this conversation - someone has to....

I called Beck an idiot not a fool. Now I just need to refuse to waver and I will pull my first Duckybill!


 

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THAT'S IT? :lol:

That's the "one of thousands" you selected to disprove Beck? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Be very careful in paying any attention to the George Soros organization...Mediamatters. My Christian friend....you are playing on the dark side.




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This is the same response that you would give if I spent the next week doing the research - studying Beck and providing 100 examples. I cannot prove to you that Beck is an idiot - that has nothing to do with Beck - it has to do with you.

If you enjoy looking the other way, listening to Beck's unprovable, illogical, paranoid rants - knock yourself out!